Re: [PEDA] Too many hole sizes

2002-05-18 Thread Bob Wolfe
Brad, Just a thought, I believe IPC docs do specify a formal Fab Dwg for complete documentation, however whether or not the IPC spec's defines needing one, unless one plans on providing a very complete set of total electronic files like IPC GenCAM or Valor to a fab house which also does provide

Re: [PEDA] NPT mounting holes

2002-03-25 Thread Bob Wolfe
Also I believe there is an extra process step involved when you have pad area on a NPT hole. Most vendors I have delt with asked if they could plate the hole in some cases we said yes in others we said no and they delt with it. In most of the cases they were just mounting holes (not tooling) and

Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: spaces in footprint names

2002-03-20 Thread Bob Wolfe
to ERC the design after it comes over. Thanks Bob Wolfe Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html

Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: spaces in footprint names

2002-03-19 Thread Bob Wolfe
Abdul-Rahman wrote Which could be quite a disaster. Files should be interchangeable between users, the OrCAD port setting being an example of what can go wrong. Abdul-Rahman, Welcome back, if you're burried no problem, the sauce got you eh?? but what is this OrCAD port setting issue?? Or maybe

Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: spaces in footprint names

2002-03-19 Thread Bob Wolfe
] - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: spaces in footprint names At 03:50 PM 3/19/2002 -0500, Bob Wolfe wrote: Abdul-Rahman wrote Which could be quite

Re: [PEDA] Tango Schematic into Protel

2002-03-16 Thread Bob Wolfe
think he had any luck. So for now I am good but thanks very much for the offer of help. Thanks again to all. Bob Wolfe - Original Message - From: Jon Elson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Tango Schematic

Re: [PEDA] Test point Pad Size

2002-03-12 Thread Bob Wolfe
Tim, It really depends on what your test group requirements are, based on quite a few things but one would be type of probe being used, even if the tester is capable of smaller pads and spacing, also the level at which a fixture is made would govern that too. But with a newer GenRad system I

[PEDA] Tango Schematic into Protel

2002-03-07 Thread Bob Wolfe

Re: [PEDA] Weird behaviour

2002-03-06 Thread Bob Wolfe
Sean, On my installation of 99SE on Win2Kpro it does not seem to matter that I needed to shut down with Task Manager, it does this just shutting down Protel normaly, every now an then the process remains running when I just close Protel only, which of course won't let you shut down the machine,

Re: [PEDA] Paired Mechanical layers (ex Inversion ...)

2002-02-27 Thread Bob Wolfe
I'll keep it short and not copy the other post totaly, but it pretty much puts the issues right on the money. Especially the statement below about dedicated assembly layers. Robert M. Wolfe, C.I.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman wrote Yes, we should have dedicated assembly layers. This should

Re: [PEDA] What does printed circuit board mean to you?

2002-02-20 Thread Bob Wolfe
Ian, There is an industry standard that does define these terms, the IPC. Look at IPC-T-50 Terms and Definitions for Interconnecting and Packaging Electronic Circuits PCB PWB have in the past (old school) been interchangeable in meaning Printed Circuit Board Printed Wiring Board and generally

Re: [PEDA] URGENT HELP REQUIRED: Paste Mask

2002-02-19 Thread Bob Wolfe
Jason, I did not follow this one from the very beginning but, I would also 100% agree that bringing a gerber file back into your CAD system for any reason other than to use it to reproduce a board you have no CAD data for, or copy sections into an existing board etc. is not good. I would NOT

Re: [PEDA] terminology: ratsnest

2002-02-10 Thread Bob Wolfe
my brain would not stop and I actually ended up having recurring dreams where I was actively doing the lay out--in the dream! Abd ul-Rahman wrote: You haven't earned your stripes as a professional PCB designer if this hasn't happened to you H Boy a truer statement has never been

Re: [PEDA] early days of PCB design

2002-02-09 Thread Bob Wolfe
bac either! Jim McGrath CAD Connections, Inc. Bob Wolfe wrote: Yes, fascinating. From my casual reading, I didn't see that the author really recognized the supreme idiocy of red/blue tape. He talked about using register pins, but nothing about the concept of using a single layer

Re: [PEDA] early days of PCB design

2002-02-08 Thread Bob Wolfe
Yes, fascinating. From my casual reading, I didn't see that the author really recognized the supreme idiocy of red/blue tape. He talked about using register pins, but nothing about the concept of using a single layer padmaster with separate mylar layers for top and bottom (and innerlayer)

Re: [PEDA] terminology: ratsnest

2002-02-08 Thread Bob Wolfe
Mr. Newberry is correct about the origin of the term, except that I'd think it began with CAD systems. Generating a rat's nest was simple for a computer but not at all simple for a manual designer, so I never saw a manually-done rat's nest drawing. Unless we can consider the big pile of

Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Bob Wolfe
Lloyd, I would whole heartily agree with you. There was a CAD system VeriBest that was based on Bentley's MicroStation and therefor needed it to run, there was two editors the PCB side and the drafting side, and yes one could say that there was great power in that combination, however the PCB

Re: [PEDA] Bob Wolfe's Update Issue (Ex: Component partition)

2002-02-05 Thread Bob Wolfe
To Abdul-Rahman, Dwight Ian, All, Well guys I have finally seen the light. Actually it was Dwight's post that finally clued me in last night, and a chat with Abdul-Rahman. I guess it was past CAD systems that provided me a major mental block. There is no bug and I do understand now how the

Re: [PEDA] Component partition

2002-02-04 Thread Bob Wolfe
Message- From: Bob Wolfe Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 12:11 PM John, You should also point out that if you are going to use alternate footprints, that if update footprints is needed to be used during synchronization to update a bunch of updated or changed footprints in a board

Re: [PEDA] Component partition

2002-02-04 Thread Bob Wolfe
PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Component partition At 11:40 AM 2/4/2002 -0500, Bob Wolfe wrote: Dwight, Mr. Lomax pointed out and unless

Re: [PEDA] Bob Wolfe's Update Issue (Ex: Component partition)

2002-02-04 Thread Bob Wolfe
, February 04, 2002 3:47 PM Subject: [PEDA] Bob Wolfe's Update Issue (Ex: Component partition) On 11:40 AM 4/02/2002 -0500, Bob Wolfe said: Dwight, Mr. Lomax pointed out and unless there is something wrong with my intsallation, it does respect a footprint in each symbol however ONLY the first

Re: [PEDA] Bob Wolfe's Update Issue (Ex: Component partition)

2002-02-04 Thread Bob Wolfe
on the PCB -- that's what it's supposed to do. Dwight. -Original Message- From: Bob Wolfe Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Component partition Yes, We did talk about this a bit back. I am talking about the footprint field or fields in a symbol, ie

Re: [PEDA] Component partition

2002-02-03 Thread Bob Wolfe
John, You should also point out that if you are going to use alternate footprints, that if update footprints is needed to be used during synchronization to update a bunch of updated or changed footprints in a board that the system will remove any of these alternate footprints and put the first

Re: [PEDA] Protel Service Bureau in Toronto area?

2002-01-30 Thread Bob Wolfe
In response to Mr. Lomax, He is absolutely 110% correct in the area of face to face requirements in PCB design. It is a shame that many companies have not come to realize this. Even direct employees and companies can benefit from remote work. I will say that I am more likely to immediately pick

Re: [PEDA] Auto router

2002-01-26 Thread Bob Wolfe
Dwight, Unrelated to actual Router Setup but, Just a question only .015 inch gap for Tip Ring to all other nets, that might be good for between Tip and Ring Or is it not the actual Tip Ring coming directly from CO but rather further down stream that connects to some sort of system station

Re: [PEDA] The latest information on the next Protel release

2002-01-17 Thread Bob Wolfe
Rene, If you mean that it should work EXACTLY the same way as the PCB you got my vote. That was pretty annouying to get used to. That is one pet peave about CAD systems that most just don't get and it really bugs me. Is the fact that all of the simple functions like pan, zoom etc do not use the

Re: [PEDA] Protel Viewer

2002-01-16 Thread Bob Wolfe
There might be other opproaches like Adobe, but you need the writer, don' t think there is any way to view the native Protel .pcb file. if you output gerber at least there are many free gerber viewers out here like Lavenir Viewmate etc. usually they just won't let you print, and may no tlet you

Re: [PEDA] Multisheet Problems Updates etc.

2002-01-16 Thread Bob Wolfe
, January 13, 2002 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Multisheet Problems Updates etc. At 12:25 PM 1/10/2002 -0500, Bob Wolfe wrote: What I do really want though is on the schematic side. All I want is for the update schematic function to actually put the footprint name defined in the symbol

Re: [PEDA] Multisheet Problems Updates etc.

2002-01-10 Thread Bob Wolfe
. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Peter Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Multisheet Problems Updates etc. Bob Wolfe wrote: Abdulrahman wrote The update schematic function works

Re: [PEDA] Countersunk holes

2002-01-09 Thread Bob Wolfe
Sean. Yup been there done that. It worked out very well, the product is in production now, with no problems, at least not do to the contersunk holes anyway. Just talk to your fab house. I was doing a quite intelligent fan tray unit that had major height clearance issues so the PCB became an

Re: [PEDA] Countersunk holes

2002-01-09 Thread Bob Wolfe
Sean, I believe they can be plated but in previous post about fan tray a countersink for a flat head screws was used, and again I believe the answer was they could do it, not as sure about if you are looking at a countersink with verticle entry on edges. There might be a build up of in the

Re: [PEDA] Countersunk holes

2002-01-09 Thread Bob Wolfe
Sam, Thanks, for the life of me could not think of the word counter bore before, in my last post. Bob Wolfe - Original Message - From: Samuel Cox Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Countersunk holes

Re: [PEDA] Multisheet Problems Updates etc.

2002-01-09 Thread Bob Wolfe
library functionality to work this way. Thanks Bob Wolfe * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [PEDA] Multisheet Problems Updates etc.

2002-01-03 Thread Bob Wolfe
PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Multisheet Problems Updates etc. On 05:18 PM 2/01/2002 -0500, Bob Wolfe said: Peter, Thanks very much, I understand you can put anything you want in there for a footprint, I just would

Re: [PEDA] Multisheet Problems Updates etc.

2002-01-03 Thread Bob Wolfe
. Thanks Bob Wolfe - Original Message - From: Peter Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Multisheet Problems Updates etc. Bob Wolfe wrote: Nope, I did in fact do an update cache (I forgot

Re: [PEDA] Multisheet Problems Updates etc.

2002-01-03 Thread Bob Wolfe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Multisheet Problems Updates etc. At 02:18 PM 1/3/2002 -0500, Bob Wolfe wrote: But is it not true that you need to globally update each unique footprint type part (not every

[PEDA] Multisheet Problems Updates etc.

2002-01-02 Thread Bob Wolfe
OK Here is the scenario, I ran through this today. Hopefully I have described it clearly enough. I am running 99SE, SP6 on WIN98 Second Ed. Using the Database structure. Create 3 footprints called KP1, KP2, KP3 that could be used for this part in a library, Create a part for a contact pattern

Re: [PEDA] Multisheet Problems Updates etc.

2002-01-02 Thread Bob Wolfe
. Bob Wolfe wrote: OK Here is the scenario, I ran through this today. Hopefully I have described it clearly enough. I am running 99SE, SP6 on WIN98 Second Ed. Using the Database structure. Create 3 footprints called KP1, KP2, KP3 that could be used for this part in a library, Create

Re: [PEDA] multi sheet problems

2001-12-28 Thread Bob Wolfe
with the synchroniser). The only boxes I had checked in the synchroniser were, 'Update footprints', and 'Delete components'. Did you say you had SP6 installed? Regards, Tom. -Original Message- From: Bob Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 28 December

Re: [PEDA] multi sheet problems

2001-12-27 Thread Bob Wolfe
: [PEDA] multi sheet problems At 07:02 PM 12/26/2001 -0500, Bob Wolfe wrote: An one more note. Not only does it ONLY put down the first footprint on the list, but any time during a sync, if you do want to update footprints it will replace any footprint other than the first one

Re: [PEDA] multi sheet problems

2001-12-26 Thread Bob Wolfe
5:51 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] multi sheet problems On 03:52 PM 21/12/2001 -0500, Bob Wolfe said: Dwight, I believe it is the first one on the list of footprints it will actually put on the board. The list of four footprints in Protel is a convenience thing only. You do not have to use any

Re: [PEDA] Meetings

2001-12-23 Thread Bob Wolfe
Sean, Meetings are a great idea, not just to put a face to the email, but usually a whole lot of great networking goes on. It is usually a wonderful forum to exchange ideas on using this tool. I have always come a way from these type of meetings with great ideas both given and taken. I would

Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.

2001-12-21 Thread Bob Wolfe
Steve, Your source for danger??? Just a question how it was determined it was really dual proc that causes Matrox dual head problems. Its been a while too since I have used dual proc and the dual head set up but we never really got ant good info out of Dell or Matrox back then. Robert M. Wolfe,

Re: [PEDA] multi sheet problems

2001-12-21 Thread Bob Wolfe
the footprint list in the library should NOT update all the footprints for those symbols in the schematic. 2) Use global edit if you really want to change all of them to the same (new) footprint. -Original Message- From: Bob Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 6:15

Re: [PEDA] multi sheet problems

2001-12-20 Thread Bob Wolfe
To all, I will second that rule to do the preview. I was in a situation where IF had I done it I would have realized what it did to me before I just went on fat dump an happy making changes to an existing design. The 99SE synchronizer works very well. I have completed many designs now (being a

Re: [PEDA] Merging boards

2001-12-15 Thread Bob Wolfe
Abdulrahman wrote The bottom line is that the photoplot people can panelize in seconds, literally. They do it all day, every day. If you must control the panel, then give them a dimiensioned drawing (which can be on a mech layer on your original PCB file) and then tell them to step and repeat

Re: [PEDA] Using Multiple Vcc for same part

2001-12-06 Thread Bob Wolfe
Terry, Just could not stop myself from answering this post. If you ask 10 engineers about how they would like to see power pins on a schematic or not (especially now that we are dealing with 5/3 volt parts) and you WILL get 10 different answers. I am a PCB designer who does not believe the

Re: [PEDA] Is it possible to create short circuit component (sch+pcb)

2001-11-26 Thread Bob Wolfe
two pads touching. Then just swapped footprint to one needed. DRC would then flag those footprints but there where usually so few on a design they could easily be identified and disregarded. This second way also makes it part of the schematic. Just a little more documentation friendly. Bob Wolfe

Re: [PEDA] Compacting Design Question

2001-11-20 Thread Bob Wolfe
problems. I really want to use NT for now. Has any one had any problems with OBDC drivers and NT ??? Thanks Bob Wolfe - Original Message - From: Andrew Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 8:22 AM Subject: [PEDA] Compacting Design

Re: [PEDA] layers in camtastic ??

2001-10-18 Thread Bob Wolfe
Tony, Well (back in the old days) once film has been generated from gerber (or hand tape) they could bomb-site the film for coordinates. However I don't honestly know of any fab houses that still do this. I'm sure there are, just have not delt with any in recent times. But honestly the fab house

Re: [PEDA] 99SE manual routing problem

2001-09-11 Thread Bob Wolfe
Yes, I find that to be true also, someone helping me learn the program just used * (Shift 8) to place vias, I could never get this to work only the numeric keypad * Bob Robert M. Wolfe, C.I.D. 47 Chatfield Drive Trumbull, CT 06611 203-261-2182 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: