Re: [PEDA] Connectivity Nightmares

2002-11-27 Thread Don Ingram
Are these busses made up from dissimilar nets - that is stuff like nRD, nWR, nCSRAM all being merged in to a bus called something like CONTROLS? If so this won't work. Protel can only cope with busses of the standard form eg D[7..0] and nets D7 down to D0. Ian Wilson As an aside, has DXP

Re: [PEDA] nVisage ??!!?

2002-11-26 Thread Don Ingram
My understanding is that nVisage is DXP without PCB Cheers Don - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] nVisage ??!!? I know it's poor form to reply to my own message, but it

Re: [PEDA] The othe half of DXP?

2002-11-13 Thread Don Ingram
From where I have been sitting, Altiums' behaviour of late has been highly commendable and I would suspect has won back quite a few loyal supporters. For the record, loyal supporters are by definition not the kind of supporter who needs to be won back. That's why they're referred to as

Re: [PEDA] OT - bd testing

2002-09-25 Thread Don Ingram
Hi All, A problem with bed of nails testers is firstly the generation of the fixture secondly inter-pad spacing due to the barrel size of the 'nail'. A flying probe is driven by the pcb data hence has minimal setup negligible inter head interference problems. Cheers Don - Original

Re: [PEDA] ClientBasic Schematic Library component synthesiser. WAS - Making of 956 pin SCH component (boring)

2002-09-23 Thread Don Ingram
-entering pin names I am away from the workshop at present but if there is any interest I could zip it up and drop it on yahoo in the files area when I return in week or so. Cheers Don Ingram - Original Message - From: Terry Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [PEDA] Simulator and PLD modules

2002-09-02 Thread Don Ingram
for us ) Cheers Don Ingram * Tracking #: 373A190601961544AA8F987B53BF92A8956CA70A

Re: [PEDA] Will ATS kill Altium?

2002-08-30 Thread Don Ingram
Stock exchange agrees ;-) http://www.asx.com.au/asx/research/chartsSearch.jsp?searchBy=asxCodeasxCode =ALUTimeFrame=D Cheers Don - Original Message - From: Bruce Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 8:19 AM Subject: [PEDA]

Re: [PEDA] Will ATS kill Altium?

2002-08-30 Thread Don Ingram
That is a really good idea and would be an EXCELLENT PR move on their part. It might hurt financially in the short run, but the positive spin they would get would be so great. Likewise! rant on It has been a crying shame to see what had become a loyal supportive group of Customers ( 99SE

Re: [PEDA] Supress HTML in Eudora

2002-08-16 Thread Don Ingram
Do any of the other readers allow for the correct interpretation of file splitting on attachments for incoming outgoing transfers with Outlook?. Cheers Don Ingram - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday

[PEDA] Interesting Linux test for non-Penguinistas

2002-08-13 Thread Don Ingram
Windows but after looking at the level of control which MS would like to exercise over my machine if I install their latest service packs then more power to the Penguin! Cheers Don Ingram Leading Edge Design Ph +61 7 4954 6074 Fx +61 7 4954 6222 - Original Message - From: Cliff Gerhard [EMAIL

Re: [PEDA] Tutorials

2002-08-03 Thread Don Ingram
; maybe there's others you were referring to? -Original Message- From: Don Ingram [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 3:52 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Prottle loads ATS takes aim at foot... Lay OFF the Coffee! I went to download the release

[PEDA] Prottle loads ATS takes aim at foot... Lay OFF the Coffee!

2002-08-02 Thread Don Ingram
the fact that someone is big enough to get away with it only creates the atmosphere to ensure that eventually an alternative will arise from the soup. For those who care to remember this is a primary reason as to why Protel has enjoyed such success in the Market place. Cheers Don Ingram P.S My money

Re: [PEDA] OT Metric vs Imperial

2002-08-02 Thread Don Ingram
would have been a good breakpoint to make the change. I was also sad to see that the measurement reports failed to include both sets of units as this would have been so simple to do. Maybe in DXP SE Cheers Don Ingram

Re: [PEDA] OT Metric vs Imperial

2002-08-02 Thread Don Ingram
cents worth Cheers Don Ingram * Tracking #: 959E7FD16F92FE4285049432FF63931F076B4FDD

Re: [PEDA] Fwd: OS bugs WAS: Problems with schematic annotate function. Linux Added.

2002-07-08 Thread Don Ingram
I agree re the move to look at Linux. Those that entertain themselves with a daily dose of the http://www.theregister.co.uk will be no doubt starting to think more along these lines. My impression of the way it is going ( for what it may or may not be worth ;-) is that Microsoft is very visibly

Re: [PEDA] SPICE sim question

2002-07-02 Thread Don Ingram
I would do more simulation if there were more and better models for the chips I want to use. Also, if the simulator software was easier to use (not talking about just Protel here). Or at least well documented ( even just adequately documented ;-) Anybody know of a good reference book which

Re: [PEDA] round PCB?

2002-05-10 Thread Don Ingram
We did a heap of them for a while for use in LED traffic lights. The circular profile was a series of small segments of track which had been generated by rotating a single track segment in an array placement. Folk law suggests avoiding the use of arcs for edges ( can't remember why anymore,

Re: [PEDA] Protel on Lindows

2002-05-09 Thread Don Ingram
? That is, interpreters are inserted between the app and its host O/S to dynamically apply the port. As a result of the additional processing required, a given soft/hard configuration loses a portion of its speed to the porting application. How does Lindows perform in this respect?? Have

Re: [PEDA] Pro-engineer

2002-05-06 Thread Don Ingram
which is to be released shortly. Unfortunately the 3D addon area is in limbo as we have no idea of what is coming in the new Prottle release. Cheers Don Ingram * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit

Re: [PEDA] Text

2002-04-02 Thread Don Ingram
to be upside down on the opposite end of the globe so I guess we must have a right or maybe a desire to do it all arse-about from you guys up the other end ) Cheers Don Ingram - Original Message - From: Geoff Harland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday

[PEDA] Extended selection spells

2002-03-27 Thread Don Ingram
Prior to doing any selection operation I always invoke my own little prayer that starts with X (deselect), A (all). Your suggestion on the zoom document (I use (Z)zoom (A)all) was also my exact thought for dealing with the components (or anything else) outside of the board outline as well.

[PEDA] Free Mechanical 3d CAD system available

2002-03-25 Thread Don Ingram
price of their high end PRO/ENGINEER offering. Cheers Don Ingram CID ** Disclaimer - we have absolutely zero connection to PTC aside from evaluating their product . - Original Message - From: Steve Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002

Re: [PEDA] Free Mechanical 3d CAD system available

2002-03-25 Thread Don Ingram
I've used ACAD for over 15 years and find it pretty amazing. I do use Solidworks for most parametric stuff but still use ACAD for the drawings. The ACIS import works well from Solidworks. The point in this case was usability. I too own an ACAD license. I prefer the free Intellicad from

Re: [PEDA] Free Mechanical 3d CAD system available

2002-03-25 Thread Don Ingram
Pro/Desktop Express seems to work well with QualECAD View3D. I created a few quick components and imported them into Protel/View3D via VRML without difficulty. yowsa! Pro/Desktop is sort of a hidden gem from PTC. It is much easier to use than Pro/Engineer -- very similar in user

Re: [PEDA] Version Control (Ex PCB West...)

2002-03-24 Thread Don Ingram
Don, which version of The-Worst-Programming-Language-In-The-World did you get VSS with? (If you don't think VB is the worst don't bother arguing - I will not even bother to listen. Yes, I have used it.) wobbly basic vers 6 enterprise ( I prefer to think of it in terms of that most famous

Re: [PEDA] Version Control (Ex PCB West...)

2002-03-23 Thread Don Ingram
We got VSS with wobbly basic however prior to this we used www.componentsoftware.com/rcs/. It was actually quite good in some respects. The system is a graphic front end for the GNU engine. Cheers Don Ingram - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL

Re: [PEDA] PCB West

2002-03-20 Thread Don Ingram
Protel DXP Looked better than I expected.. It does not require you to save as a DBase Project.. It has fading floating docable tool bars. it allows VHDL schematic capture.. I was talking to Rick Wilson a great teacher and sale person.. He got me jazzed about it. Sam Cox. Sam, Is

[PEDA] Wishlist - Layer visability control

2002-03-14 Thread Don Ingram
Hi All, Anybody care to comment on the following proposal... Item: Addition of menu/mouse button behaviour to Layer tabs on PCB module Background: The use of the layer dialog amounts to an enormous no. of repetitions over the average days work. Workarounds include the ad hoc use of buttons on

Re: [PEDA] RF footprints

2002-02-20 Thread Don Ingram
What the hell is your point - are you deliberately being prickly? My turn to be pedantic and pick up on your misconceptions. Am I peeved - yes. JaMi (I persist in this weird spelling since you do but I must admit that I thought it was a typo when I first saw it) Might either be a troll

Re: [PEDA] Writing messages all day . . . hopefully, the final response . . .

2002-02-18 Thread Don Ingram
Yikes, easy on the Coffee ;-) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines

Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer

2002-02-04 Thread Don Ingram
On principle we never applied for it. While the Engineer in me was curious, we don't use 8051's ( not for 10 years or more). To apply accept the trinket was to grant tacit approval to the ATS system, which we most certainly do not. YMMV Cheers Don Mark Richards wrote: Hello All, Just a

Re: [PEDA] Schematics no longer recognized.

2002-01-29 Thread Don Ingram
As an aside... Why don't companies use longer file extensions in an attempt to minimise collisions? .sch has always been a pain, .schematic would be much more reliable. Admittedly this is diminished with the database file. Cheers Don Ingram Leading Edge Design +61 7 4954 6074 +61 7 4954 6222

Re: [PEDA] Protel 99 se SP4 on Windows XP Home

2002-01-07 Thread Don Ingram
. Cheers Don Ingram - Original Message - From: Geoff Harland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel 99 se SP4 on Windows XP Home Altium is working investing in getting Protel to work in XP. I

Re: [PEDA] protel crashes in win2000

2001-12-31 Thread Don Ingram
the printer, so it appears that some garbage is being attached to the end of the print file as the Schematics print OK, or perhaps the file is truncated and the job is not being finished correctly. Problem has never occurred with any other program. Cheers Don Ingram CID Leading Edge Design - Original

Re: [PEDA] Altium article from Australian electronic news Dec mag

2001-12-18 Thread Don Ingram
remotely engineering. IMHO, that idea su^H^H^H is less than ideal. Never fails to put a smile on the dial ;-) Cheers Don * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: *

Re: [PEDA] Altium article from Australian electronic news Dec mag

2001-12-18 Thread Don Ingram
What the h*** does organic growth mean in this context? I have a prediction: I will experience an increase in organic growth in my refridgerator over the holidays from all the uneaten leftovers. Fueled by bullsh*it... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a

Re: [PEDA] URGENT!!!

2001-12-12 Thread Don Ingram
Ditto Cheers Don - Original Message - From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] URGENT!!! Hey, Abdul: If any ATS dollars are to be paid, they should be paid to you! You

Re: [PEDA] ATS and ALU share price

2001-12-04 Thread Don Ingram
It looks like the share holders are not impressed with the ATS either. One month back ALU was trading at over $4.80 and today they are trading at $2.50 and falling. Perhaps the shareholders are monitoring this list?? Steve Hendrix Perhaps ATS needs to be sorted out sooner

Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer

2001-12-01 Thread Don Ingram
Given that there is a simpler and less paranoid explanation of the compiler offer, this is a bit of a jaundiced view. That's the great thing about being a customer for so long. The paranoia comes easy ;-) Cheers Don * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a

Re: [PEDA] Protel usage

2001-11-21 Thread Don Ingram
How many users would be interested in a Standard Package (No SIM, SI, 3D, Database Link, PLD, ???) for a lower price?. I always was the opinion it's a good politic to have only on package with all the tool together, but now it's going to be a bit pricy for me. Why should I pay for tools I

Re: [PEDA] MS versus Linux

2001-11-21 Thread Don Ingram
our W2K licenses as we have too much software on the platform with no equivalent in Linux at present. Cheers Don Ingram Leading Edge Design +61 7 4954 6074 +61 7 4954 6222 - Original Message - From: robi artwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday

Re: [PEDA] Protel Fonts and Registry Access

2001-11-20 Thread Don Ingram
Make sure prottle isn't running when you edit the .ini Cheers Don - Original Message - From: Ian Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel Fonts and Registry Access On 04:07 PM 20/11/2001

[PEDA] SPICE Documentation - A good Book anyone ?

2001-11-20 Thread Don Ingram
was to look for some user manuals from another product which may be a little better supported. Cheers Don Ingram * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers

Re: [PEDA] Protel usage

2001-11-20 Thread Don Ingram
it all up now... Cheers Don Ingram * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact

Re: [PEDA] Protel usage

2001-11-20 Thread Don Ingram
somewhere with the rest ;-) End wild sweeping Generalisation The irony would be if prottle really do crack the router problems and then price it out of reach as an addon, especially after forking out so many dollars over the years to get what has turned up to date. Cheers Don Ingram

Re: [PEDA] Protel usage

2001-11-19 Thread Don Ingram
I'm curious. How many upgraded to Protel 99 SE and thus do not have the Protel 99 SE Designer's Handbook, and how many people do have it? How many of the people with the Designer's Handbook feel the simulator, signal integrity and PLD are poorly documented? To the extreme... futzing

Re: [PEDA] Autorouter

2001-11-17 Thread Don Ingram
- You cannot expect, that you push a button and get the ready done board you thinking of. Unless you are a new Customer or you work in Marketing for the Software supplier... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To

Re: [PEDA] Protel usage

2001-11-17 Thread Don Ingram
Well, you can count me in as a 10 hats per day kind of guy. I actually consider myself luckier than the one gun specialist. I get to do a variety of tasks in different areas of design. I can stay involved in a project from design concept to finished product, and be a part of the design of

Re: [PEDA] Using 3D

2001-11-16 Thread Don Ingram
P A badly integrated spice tool Made far worse than it needs to be by an appalling lack of documentation An extensive but disjointed library (PCB and SCH) With a very dodgy lack of library component tracking /version control. Don't forget the outstanding PLD system...

Re: [PEDA] Protel usage

2001-11-16 Thread Don Ingram
- Schematic- Aside from the library problems I quite like this program, it gets the job done is reasonably intuitive to use. - PCB - Beats mylar, it gets the job done the invoices paid. The later improvements in 99SE such as rooms classes etc are great ( if a little

Re: [PEDA] Using 3D

2001-11-15 Thread Don Ingram
TWICE the price of solid-works or Autycad I don't think so Don - Original Message - From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Using 3D Protel *is* worth its current retail

Re: [PEDA] ATS - careful and reasoned discsussion (maybe?)

2001-11-01 Thread Don Ingram
vanished to. Ball's in your court. Cheers Don Ingram CID * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [PEDA] Altium changes.

2001-11-01 Thread Don Ingram
And besides, the stock price hasn't move much recently anyway so bold action may be required. This intrigues me - why does a stock price have to move? A stable stock price with a reasonable PE ratio may be the sign of a stable company. Seems to me the idea of share prices having to move is

Re: [PEDA] ATS - PIGS MIGHT FLY

2001-10-31 Thread Don Ingram
is of them turning us into cash-cows. Cheers Don Ingram CID - Original Message - From: Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS Sent to Protel/Altium: --- Why the hell would we (pre Oct 1st

Re: [PEDA] 3d Solids Modelling pkg

2001-09-04 Thread Don Ingram
Thanks for the help guys, I'll have a look at Intellicad. I had a peep at this back in the Visio days. That was AUD$7K. A fair few shekels for a small business. Cheers Don Ingram [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph +61 7 4954 6074UTC+10hrs Fx +61 7 4954 6222 - Original Message - From: Peter

[PEDA] Virtual Shorts

2001-09-03 Thread Don Ingram
Just got PCB Fab Magazine noticed that they are running 10 micron wide traces. Better make the virtual shorts way less than the customary 1mil heh heh heh Cheers Don Ingram [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph +61 7 4954 6074UTC+10hrs Fx +61 7 4954 6222 - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman

Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone

2001-07-29 Thread Don Ingram
One step better more in keeping with the Fashion... oops I mean Software Industry would be to use XML. A textural database structure ( for want of a more accurate definition ). Cheers Don Ingram [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [PEDA] windows file system VS data base format

2001-07-23 Thread Don Ingram
Try a Revision Control System, CS-RCS is free or VSS if you have a MS Devel Product. It is very inefficient with the access files but it does provide an annotated history of file changes. Most importantly it doesn't overwrite old versions , hence it is harder for libraries to be corrupted as in

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]:List etiquette and engineering positions

2001-05-07 Thread Don Ingram
Puerto Rico on the beach, eh? Isn't the sand and salt water hard on the computers? On the other hand, perhaps the next Protel ad campaign won't have the feet up on a desk. Who wants to relax in the office anyway? That's not relaxing! Its pondering on how to recover the work now that the

Re: [PEDA] HP Laser Printer Issue - Extra pages printed

2001-05-07 Thread Don Ingram

Re: [PEDA] Protel news. Was: BGA Design

2001-05-07 Thread Don Ingram
their chances of making the AT94 a hit like the rest of the AVR family. The principle has worked well for Xilinx with the WebDesign package has greatly increased the use of Xilinx parts. Then again this may have nothing to do with their plans... Cheers Don Ingram

Re: [PEDA] Protel news. Was: BGA Design

2001-05-07 Thread Don Ingram
Combined in what way? Personally I write HDL (verilog), draw schematics, layout PCBs, and write embedded software - I doubt many Protel customers do all that as individuals although many will as companies. What use is a VHDL or C compiler to a guy like... Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer,

Re: [PEDA] Protel news. Was: BGA Design

2001-05-07 Thread Don Ingram
the conversation full circle, at this point the success of the device in general production will rely on a low cost integrated tool set to deal with all aspects of the Design process for the chip. Cheers Don Ingram * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message