[PEDA] BAS FILES
How do I run 3rd party .bas files? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01603 TEL 508-754-4858 x33 FAX 413-541-6170 www.telecast-fiber.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Voltage standoff of FR4
What is the voltage standoff (front to back) for .062 FR4? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01603 TEL 508-754-4858 x33 FAX 413-541-6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Plug switch
I'm doing a power supply with a hard-wired plug switch. What type of pads should I use so I can wire these parts on an internal layer, in order to satisfy the netlist? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01603 TEL 508-754-4858 x33 FAX 413-541-6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Is it a bug, or me?
Is there any add-on routine to tweak the coordinates back? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Is it a bug, or me? Protel has a few problems with mm and inches. I've often seen small rounding errors creep in, and although I don't have any evidence, I have suspected it's got something to do with repeatedly switching the units diplayed. I've heard hearsay that Protel prefers to work in imperial units. Andrew Ircha - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Is it a bug, or me?
I get the same results when I cut paste a cell to do multiple circuits. - Original Message - From: Bob Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Is it a bug, or me? So far I have only seen this when I have selected and moved a bunch of parts, if I then double-click the part the coordinates are all of a sudden out to 6 places. I am woring im metric but also use basic increments like 0.1mm for all grids. I pretty much do not change between units display. Robert M. Wolfe, C.I.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Dan Beaudoin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Is it a bug, or me? It's a bug. I've been having the same problem for quite a while. I think it may happen when the grid is changed from mils to mm and then back, but I'm not sure. - Original Message - From: Sean James [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 8:09 AM Subject: [PEDA] Is it a bug, or me? Why do components and their pads magically have coordinates that are either xxx.999 or xxx.001? I'm working on a .5 mil grid, with a .5 mil component grid, and a 5 mil electrical grid. It's very aggravating. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01603 TEL 508-754-4858 x33 FAX 413-541-6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Power connectors
I'm trying to find a high voltage board to board connector. Any help would be appreciated. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01603 TEL 508-754-4858 x33 FAX 413-541-6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] DOS based line width calculator
I lost this program when my OS crashed. Does anybody know where I can find it again? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01603 TEL 508-754-4858 x33 FAX 413-541-6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] +3V Power Port
Does anybody have a +3V and a -2.5V power port schematic button graphic created? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01603 TEL 508-754-4858 x33 FAX 413-541-6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Push shove
Is there an easy way to toggle between Avoid obstacle and Push Obstacle? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01603 TEL 508-754-4858 x33 FAX 413-541-6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Push shove
Sometimes I get a little brain dead. - Original Message - From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Push shove Shift-R (It's on the online help) Tony -Original Message- From: Sean James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 12:30 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Push shove Is there an easy way to toggle between Avoid obstacle and Push Obstacle? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01603 TEL 508-754-4858 x33 FAX 413-541-6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Is it a bug, or me?
Why do components and their pads magically have coordinates that are either xxx.999 or xxx.001? I'm working on a .5 mil grid, with a .5 mil component grid, and a 5 mil electrical grid. It's very aggravating. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01603 TEL 508-754-4858 x33 FAX 413-541-6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Print dialog
Is there a way to preset which layers to preview for a plot? It's not easy when you have to add and delete layers one at a time. It would be nice to do a regular Windows multiple select (holding down the Ctrl key while using the left mouse button). Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01603 TEL 508-754-4858 x33 FAX 413-541-6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Pallets
An array of PCB's. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Pallets In a message dated 3/6/2002 8:31:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know this has been beaten around before, but I thought creating a pallet in Protel when you have poured internal planes was OK. Or does Protel just choke on pallets? (showing my ignorance...) What's a pallet? (in this context) Steve Hendrix * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing.
Lloyd - Such language - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing. I got it too! #%#$@%@!!! GE Energy Services __ Lloyd Good Development Digitization Substation Automation Solutions General Electric Canada, Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place N.E., Calgary, Alberta T1Y 7J7 CANADA Tel: 403.214.4777, Dialcomm: 8.498.4777, Fax: 403.287.7946 Website: www.gepower.com/geharrisenergy/ NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail is privileged, confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (collect) at (1) 403.214.4400 and destroy this e-mail as well as any copy. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 3:24 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing. Nope. -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 2:14 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing. Has anyone else here got mail from e-teknet? I've been especially careful, but, somehow, I got on their email list. Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Pads with rectangular or square cutouts
How do I specify a pad with a rectangular or square cutout? I'm using a switch and a stereo phone jack that require rectangular and square mounting holes respectively. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01603 TEL 508-754-4858 x33 FAX 413-541-6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] VIAS
Does anybody know of an easy way to sprinkle vias on a board? I want to place several (100+) vias on a board to get a good top-bottom current flow for GND. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01603 TEL 508-754-4858 x33 FAX 413-541-6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] help with a stack ??
Just remember to balance you layer stack thicknesses to prevent the board from being warped. - Original Message - From: Jon Elson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] help with a stack ?? Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: hello, i've got a negative (ECL) and a positive (TTL) power plane on a board i'm doing. right now i'm figuring on a matching ground plane for each power supply, spaced close to the rail for switching capacitance. here's the stack i'm thinking of: critical traces gnd -5.2V noncritical traces noncritical traces +5V gnd critical traces does this seem reasonable? i have some semblance of controlled impedance with each trace layer referenced to a dc plane. other stacks suggestions are welcomed. Well, depending on how the board fabricator will actually assemble the book of laminates and prepregs, it should be doable. I guess the critical thing is to make sure the critical traces and ground are etched from a double-sided laminate, then the non-crit traces and power will be on other laminates, so you end up with 4 double-sided laminates. This could cause the noncritical traces to be awfully close together, but also the power and ground planes will be close together, giving more distributed capacitance. I have done a lot of ECL and mixed ECL/TTL/CMOS mixed analog/digital boards, mostly on 4 layers. I generally have only one gnd plane and one split power plane. Some of the power planes get very complicated, with interdigitated (zig-zag) voltage regions to bring power under the pads where it is needed. Some of the inputs to these boards are pretty tightly controlled impedances, and so signals on one side are using the gnd for a ground plane, and signals on the other side use the power planes for ground plane. I've never really had a problem with the ground plane issues. I have had crosstalk, and had to completely re place one board to make the signal flow in, around and out without high level digital signals ever crossing over low level analog signals (this was on a 6-layer board, so I ended up using two signal layers on one side of the power-gnd planes for analog, and the other side for digital.) For a board like you propose, I would try to use only one gnd plane, and use split planes for the + and - voltage supplies. This might get you down to a 6 layer board, and cut costs. but i need both the ground planes common to each other. can i EVEN have two planes called GND? is having two ground planes a bad idea? if two ground planes is not a bad idea, then how do i tie them together? NOTE: if i tie them together i would like to do it in a way that doesn't mess up my design rules check. i've noticed that additional vias and traces added to a pcb outside the schematic can make the design rules check flag them. Yeah, I think Protel may have a problem with this. If you have 2 planes assigned to net GND, then every via or through-hole that is assigned to net GND will probably have a thermal connection to BOTH planes. This may be fine, electrically, but may cause problems in solderability, and certainly will drive techs doing any rework nuts. i have another question. this is iffy, but i'm a heathen designer anyway. this is just a proto board, and although i'd like controlled impedance, i don't want to pay for it. SO, what i am thinking is that if i get an 8-layer board at the standard 62 mil thickness, that they are going to be just about forced to give me between 6 to 8 mils between layers, without me ever having to spec it. does this sound right? I don't think a good board house will charge extra for this, if you figure it out in advance. DON'T design the board in a vacuum, ie. figure out what you want and then submit the design. Call the board fab of your choice, and get them to TELL YOU what they will use for laminate thickness for this build-up. THEN, you just use that info to calculate trace width. That way, your job fits in with their preferred flow. How tight a controlled impedance is this? I routinely work with stuff where analog signals need controlled impedance of 50 Ohms +/- 1 Ohm, or there are serious reflections. To keep ECL happy, you don't need that tight a control, especially if the traces are short. +/- 10 % should be close enough, and that is much easier to provide. Jon * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Plotting Part Deux
Is it possible to set up two instances of the same plotter with WIN2K? We use an HP DesignJET 450C, and I would like to have one plotter' with C-size, and the 2nd plotter at D-size. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01603 TEL 508-754-4858 x33 FAX 413-541-6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Writing messages all day . . .
Here's my two cents worth - $.02 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Writing messages all day . . . In a message dated 2/14/2002 9:16:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Some people just seem to have a lot of free time on their hands . . . ... and some people are sufficiently thankful for all the time they've saved through answers provided on this list, that they feel they ought to give something back by providing answers to others when they can. Steve Hendrix * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Paste Array
What causes Protel to turn on all the layers create a grid when I do a Paste Array? How do I clear out the grid? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Paste Array
Yes, it's Paste Special, Paste Array. the grid does seem to be imposed over the paste area, but it doesn't go away. - Original Message - From: Brad Velander [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Paste Array Sean, could you explain a bit better. I have not seen anything which comes close to your description. You are talking about Paste Special, Paste Array in PCB aren't you? Is this grid a highlighted version of the normal grid dots/lines or is it something different imposed over the paste area? Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com See us at Booth 323 at Satellite 2002 in Washington, DC March 6-8. -Original Message- From: Sean James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 6:39 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Paste Array What causes Protel to turn on all the layers create a grid when I do a Paste Array? How do I clear out the grid? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Move Component
How do I default Move Component so that a component always jumps to the cursor? (One of the options in the Choose Component dialog box). Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01603 TEL 508-754-4858 x33 FAX 413-541-6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Paste Array
Yes. - Original Message - From: Brad Velander [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Paste Array Sean, I am at a loss, I don't see any hint of what you describe (not even temporarily). You are using P99SE SP6? Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com See us at Booth 323 at Satellite 2002 in Washington, DC March 6-8. -Original Message- From: Sean James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 9:46 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Paste Array Yes, it's Paste Special, Paste Array. the grid does seem to be imposed over the paste area, but it doesn't go away. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Power ports
Is there any way to change or create new power port symbols? (I would like to create a square symbol). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Schematic symbols
Is there a way to have vertical oriented pins have horizontal pin names numbers? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] protel routine
Clive - That's the program I was looking for. Thank you. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] protel routine The Qualecad website has a downloadable server that re-anotates selected components in both sch and pcb. Clive Mike Ingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 02/12/2002 04:14:11 AM Please respond to Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Clive Broome/sdc) Subject: Re: [PEDA] protel routine I once wrote something to do this, but it wouldn't install on anything beyond the system I wrote it on, Anyway if there is such a routine out there, I also would be interested. PROTEL: Do you hear this? If heiachary really worked, and you could re-use blocks thsi wouldn't be needed. Mike -Original Message- From: Sean James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 5:11 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] protel routine I lost the routine that changes a selected group of components on a schematic raises the Ref Des' by a set increment (EX R1 to R101, etc). Where can I find it? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] protel routine
Re: [PEDA] Win2000
I had no choice but to move to WIN2000. My WIN98 OS self-destructed yesterday - Original Message - From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Win2000 Just as a side note: a buddy of mine told me yesterday that Orcad doesn't even load on XP. That is version 7.x, and they are at 9.x now, but it works fine on Win2K. -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:38 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Win2000 Summary of topic and recommendation: If you are running Protel 99SE on anything other than Windows 2000, get a W2000 license and install it and use it. It may be a good time to upgrade your computer, since W2000 installs much more easily on a fresh system than as an upgrade. I tried to upgrade one W98 computer to W2000 and failed. I upgraded an NT system to W2000 without problems. And a new install was, like, fully automatic. XP is an unknown quantity theoretically it should be better, but. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Countersunk holes
[PEDA] Win2000
How well does Protel 99SE w/SP 6 work with Win2000? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Keepouts
I had the ability for a while to put filled keepouts down at 45 degrees. Now I can't seem to get this function back. I tried using the 'shift- spacebar' combo that's used to change track style, but that doesn't work. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protell99SE (SP6) missing diagonal pads off gerbers (sometimes) - bug?
I have parts on a few of my boards that are rotated at 45 degrees. If I use round pads, they photoplot OK. When I tried rectangualr pads, they were drawn with a spiral pattern that looked like a rectangular pad. If you can live with round pads on your parts, then use them. (BTW - Accel didn't have this problem, if I remember). Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: Steve Wiseman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protell99SE (SP6) missing diagonal pads off gerbers (sometimes) - bug? Now, to the present problem. Here is what I suggest. Create a board file with just one of the pads in question. Plot it. Copy the gerber code into a mail to the list. Describe the pad's characteristics fully, also anything which might be relevant from the gerber setups. Unfortunately, neither my simple test board nor a copy paste of the offending pads into a test pcb exhibits the fault. (and, naturally, the pcb in question is sensitive...). I'll keep trying to generate a test case that fails, but I've not managed to provoke it yet. It's notable that it's only the shunts that fail to plot - I've got some rotated capacitors that worked fine. Ah - an update. Copy paste failed, but cut paste worked. I've now got a small PCB that shows the behaviour. Any takers for a .pcb and .GBL? Steve * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Meetings
Sorry I haven't gotten around to the subject at hand- I've been keeping the mouse wheels burning. The building that I work in has a restaurant that may accomodate us for a meeting in Worcester. Let me know how many would like to attend and a date to meet. I'll set things up at the restaurant and let people know of any costs involved. This restaurant has a great daily All you can eat buffet at lunch time. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Hanging Track
Is that like a dangling participle? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: Dave Babcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 11:02 AM Subject: [PEDA] Hanging Track Hi All, Does anyone know how to detect a hanging track in PCB? I. E. a track from a via or pad that goes nowhere. Thanks again, Dave Babcock Chief Engineer Cardinal Components, Inc. email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 973-785-1333x565 Fax: 973-785-0053 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Generating a report for pick and place machine
Use the CAM manager in the File menu when you're doing a PCB. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: yves Dubois [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: [PEDA] Generating a report for pick and place machine Hi there, I beleived that Protel 99SE SP6 is able to generate Pick and Place files. I cannot find in the menus the command to generate such files. Can Protel really generate such a file and if so How?? Thanks Yves Dubois Raytron LTD Ville St-Laurent Quebec, Canada * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Hanging Track
Nothing can beat the MK1 MOD1 eyeball. My last job, I had a boss and an engineer constantly refuse to review my work, claiming that the software should catch all the errors. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: Andy Gulliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Hanging Track Same here - it's amazing how much router fallout the Mk.1 eyeball can find :-) Regards Andy Gulliver -Original Message- From: Andrew Ircha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 01 February 2002 16:28 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Hanging Track If you find out let use know :-) These get picked up by our PCB house, who, with our permission, scratch them off the gerber data. Sometimes they're required in our designs, but not often. There isn't a single tool I'm aware of that will spot these, but you could try a combination of viewing in single layer mode and setting pads to draft so that tracks show up more obviously. Other things you can do are to select each net in turn in the PCB explorer and zoom into it to see if you can see any straggling lines, or if the net looks peculiar in any way - I use this more to get rid of silly loops. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Schematic
Has anybody used the Increment part Number in a schematic? I don't see it loaded in the server list, and it doesn't seem to work in a schematic. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Pad calculations
Does anybody have a program or spreadsheet to calculate pad diameters and thermals? I had one from the PCAD forum. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic
Wayne -Where can I find the 2 products that you mentioned? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: Wayne Trow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic Shawn, In my opinion CAMtastic is a lemon. I use Isolator 3.3.0 (a graphicode product - same as gc-prevue) for my CAM-ing. Isolator is old now, superceeded by GC-CAMEdit and GC-PowerStation (also by Gaphicode) but it does absolutely everything I need where as CAMtastic lacks features that I need for our system. I have dabled in CAMtastic - I had to draw up a report comparing several different CAM packages so I needed to know the insides out. So fire you questions to the forum and you should get an answer from me or other learned persons. Wayne Trow PCB Design Technician Gallagher Group LTD Hamilton NEW ZEALAND [p] +64 7 838 9800 ext 8737 [f] +64 7 838 9801 [e] [EMAIL PROTECTED] SHAWN smulligan@extre To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] meeng.com cc: Subject: [PEDA] Camtastic 24/01/02 04:53 Please respond to Protel EDA Forum I haven't seen any posting here about CAMtastic. I'm using the program simply to panelize some boards for production. I would be interested in hearing opinions on the product or receiving advice on the process, from an experienced user. Thanks, Shawn * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Plotting
Is there a way to get Protel to plot to the center of a sheet? I'm using an HP DesignJet 450C, and when I plot C size, the plot is offest. This makes for a smaller plot than what the sheet size is (22 x 17). D size is fine. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Weird Problems with Protel -!!!
Sounds like a WinDoze problem. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: Brooks,Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 1:53 PM Subject: [PEDA] Weird Problems with Protel -!!! I have had some unusual problems with Protel before but this one takes the cake. I open a schematic from our server directory, Protel 99SE sp6 tells me that the schematic is an unknown file type First thing I thought... oh yea... must be a corrupt file... So I open Protel 98 and the file opens just fine hmmm Go back to 99SE SP6 and yup... it still doesn't open the file h Okay... check the setup of the program Lo and behold the Schematic Servers are not installed well they were Last night when I logged off... Hmmm... Check licenses No license for schematic in the window... what's up with that? You think it decided to drop them due to a conflict? We have about 8 licenses here... - Bill Brooks P.S. I called Altium(Protel) and tried to get a Tech Support person to help me... all I got was a recording... and they will get to my message eventually... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Countersunk holes
Can the holes be plated? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: Watnoski, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Countersunk holes Hi Sean, All I ever had to do was call out the countersinks on the fab drawing. The board house took care of the countersinks as a post fabrication operation. Be sure to allow adequate clearances around the holes on all layers. Michael -Original Message- From: Sean James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 8:15 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Countersunk holes This may be a long shot - Has anybody konw if it's possible to use c'sk holes on a PCB? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Board Mirroring
Does anybody know of a routine that would completely flip a board to help with laying out bottom mount smt components? For all you old timers out there, this is similar to flipping the whole artwork in order to tape the solder side etch. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel 99 se SP4 on Windows XP Home
Why is anybody bothering with a lousy piece of software like XP in the first place? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: proteledaforum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 5:46 AM Subject: [PEDA] Protel 99 se SP4 on Windows XP Home I attempted to find a faq for this forum but failed. I hope this question has not been over-asked. I have a new PC with WinXP home, when Protel 99 se is installed. XP help and support fails to run. System info fails to run, sfc /scannow fails to run. A comlete format and re-install is required to get these items operational again and they fail immediately when Protel 99 se is installed. I know that the Protel site shows Win 2000 compatibility and not XP but does anyone know a workaround for the problems with XP? Or has anyone else experienced the same problems but do not know a workaround? Regards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted from Association web site by: Derek Ellis * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Ground Planes
Be careful with planes. I made a pallet of 2 boards, and two of the planes changed nets. If I didn't catch it reviewing the gerbers, BOOM! Instant shorts. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: Anthony Whitesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Ground Planes Rene, There is a big difference between a plane and a polygon fill. Planes don't get repoured unlike polygons. Planes are made as a negative gerber files which are much smaller. Steve, I noticed this and didn't give it much thought an just went around and deleted the extra connections. But now that you mention it, I too have seen this behavior when autorouting a PCB with planes. Anthony Whitesell Sunrise Labs -Original Message- From: Rene Tschaggelar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 3:49 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Ground Planes Since the plane takes a long time drawing/refreshing, I usually place the plane as last action. I finish the layout without plane, then save it and copy to a new name usually 'mydesign_WP.pcb', eg adding the _WP postfix. Then I pour the plane. If the fill is not complete, eg there are holes, a few vias assigned to GND do the job, - repour. For HF prints, a bunch of via's connect the upper and the lower GND plane. It takes some iteration until the plane and the vias make sense. Rene -- Ing.Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com Steve Pfeifenroth wrote: Hello everyone, In Protel everything is connected by a net. Fine. When you go to lay tracks on boards (If you let Protel do some of the work by auto routing) connects like nets in a pin to pin fashion. I know I can configure some of the routings in the design rules section. But here is my question. Take for instance I create a ground plane that runs along the bottom whole length of a board. How can I get Protel to net off the ground plane using the shortest distance to a part? It seems to me that even if I create a ground plane (Calling it GND) and use the auto route it still connects from the pad instead of the plane. I can do it by hand but was hoping that I can have Protel do most of the work. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Meetings
Has anybody ever thought about having local meetings for Protel users? This way we can put a face to the people in the forum, and to exchange information. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Gerber file naming convention
When Protel assigns gerber file name extensions (xx.gxx), what is the rule for internal layers? I just did a 6 layer board, and the extensions are. g10, .g1, .g2 .g5. When you try to import either a single or batch file, Protel only allows a 3 character extension to be seen, and not a 2 character extension. Here are the layer names and their filename extensions: .G10 = -5V PLANE COPPER .G5 = GROUND PLANE COPPER .G1 = +3.3/+/-12V PLANE .G2 = +5V PLANE Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Square vias
I am setting up a chip wire test PCB master, and I would like to use square vias. The only way to make the existing vias square, is to select them all and convert them to free pads. Or can I substitute free pads for vias while routing? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Rotated pads
Why don't rotated free pads photo plot? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Menus add-ons
I am willing to try available Protel add-ons, but I'm a neophyte when it comes to customizing Protel. Does any body know of a quick and painless way to create modify menus (ala AutoCAD)? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Merging boards
Re: [PEDA] Merging boards
I like using split planes; using a poured internal plane is the same as an external plane - every time you add or move holes, components, etc., you have to repour the plane. Whereas a split plane doesn't have that problem; as long as the via or pad is tied to the correct net, it stays connected, no matter how much you move it. Also, I think a split plane makes for a smaller file size gerber plot. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: Michael Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Merging boards But other then that it works just fine. I most heartedly suggest that all design, checking and editing be absolutely complete before you merge boards because after merging editing or DRC checking and other operations can become very complex because of unrouted nets between boards, duplicate designators and the likes. Keep your original singular boards to work on for future editing, keep the merged boards as a separate panelized file, edit only the original singular boards when editing is required. The problem with merging boards which contain differing or split planes is very much more complex. Basically it probably shouldn't be attempted unless you are quite experienced or the boards are absolutely identical. For this very reason I usually use Mid-layers rather then Plane layers and I draw my planes as polygons. This is much more conducive to merging multiple boards into a panel. It also gets you around some of the limitations/bugs associated with Planes not being DRC'ed properly for all possible errors. Brad, I agree save your orig file after you run drcs, then create a new file to panelize. So how difficult is it to toggle thru the plane layers, view them and reconnect planes? Not hard at all maybe two or three keystrokes. I don't see it as a problem. Sure its not perfect but panelizing would be hard to implement to satisfy everyone's idea of how it should work especially when you expect drcs to work also. The point is you can do it accurately, and it really isn't that much of a hassle. The other option is to use Camtastic, I never use pours on mid layers because most of the board houses I have experience with, not only frown upon it, I had one refuse to fabricate the board because it compromised their lamination process. Mike Reagan EDSI * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Keepouts DRC
To add to Brad's note- I use keepouts to prevent polygon planes from pouring in certain areas of my board. I don't want poylgons under smt resistors, etc. I want to be able to control where the polys go. the only way is with keepouts on specific layers, and in certain areas. It's a nuisance to remove the keepouts just to run a DRC. If you set a rule clearance to 0 for keepouts, and then pour a poly, you get some very strange results. PCAD had a nice way to create keepouts (that's not their exact name); the main fact is that the keepouts didn't violate any DRC's! Does anybody remember the exact name and use of keepouts in ACCEL/PCAD? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: Brad Velander [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Keepouts DRC Rene others, it is timely that Sean raised this issue because I have been fighting with related issues. In my case I have a very complex board outline where I have copied the board outline to the bottom layer and made it a keepout and control my polygon outlines with respect to the board edge. There are associated issues but I get lots of violations that I am trying to eliminate with rules, seems to only work part of the time. I also believe that I have found a bug relating to polygons while trying to accomplish this, I will write about it in a day or two when the crunch is off. In my case I have a number of drill holes at points along the board outline. These drills are to relieve the board outline edge where the overlying matrix has sharp corners that a router cannot achieve. Thus each of these drill holes have no net, no plating, no pad (0mils). Each and everyone of them causes a violation with the keepout. The funniest thing is working over several variations of the PCB design, some rules work in one copy of the board and while making the variations to the next version the same existing rule will quit working all of a sudden. I have also had the keepout lines showing violations along the entire board outline because they are touching the keepout adjacent to them. The listed violation lists the one keepout track segment and it's adjacent connected track as the other violator in the pair. Go figure. There are also other cases where a violation is not avoidable, so I am trying to devise rules which will eliminate those violations. Sometimes the rules work, sometimes they do not. At the moment I have databases which have over 300 violations which seem to be indefinable in the DRC rules set-up, most all are related to the keepout. I have even tried a rule which states the keepout spacing to anything else (Board) is 0mils, no luck. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. #300 - 4401 Still Creek Drive, Burnaby, B.C., Canada, V5C 6G9. Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 Website: www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Rene Tschaggelar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 8:06 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Keepouts DRC You can draw a track manually over a keepout line. The DRC signals a violation and you ignore it. Is that what you want ? Rene -- Ing.Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com Sean James wrote: Is there any way to ignore or bypass keepouts during a DRC? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Add Colour to Nets
This feature has helped me in seperating important nets from the Gordian Knot of the remaining nets. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Add Colour to Nets I did a search on 'color'(?) in all my emails and came up with this reply from Brendon Slade.. Hi Ian To change the colour of the ratsnest (ex PCAD user?) go to the Browse PCB tab in the Document Manager panel. Click on the drop down list and select Nets. The panel immediately below should display the loaded nets. Select the net you wish to change the colour of and click on Edit (alternatively double click on the net to edit). A dialogue box is displayed with Colour being one of the options. Select a colour. I use this for power nets and particular busses and other important nets. Regards Brendon. [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 12/13/2001 09:06:04 AM Please respond to Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Clive Broome/sdc) Subject: Re: [PEDA] How to change Netlist lines back to solid lines? Further to this thread, does anyone know how to set the default color of the ratsnest lines. I know how to edit them but would prefer that they came up with the color of my choice everytime they were created. Regards, Lloyd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 4:08 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] How to change Netlist lines back to solid lines? Sounds like the connections have been turned off. You can get them back again by doing the following in PCB: View - Connections - Show All This menu also has provision to hide or view individual components nets or global nets like power/ground. Its useful when placing parts to see a less cluttered ratsnest. ___ Clive Broome IDT Sydney Design CentrePh: +61 2 9763 3513 8 Bayswater Dr, HomebushFax:+61 2 9763 3409 Sydney, NSW, 2127 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Australia ___ Shuping Lew [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 12/13/2001 04:06:41 AM Please respond to Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Clive Broome/sdc) Subject: [PEDA] How to change Netlist lines back to solid lines? Hello, there, Does anybody know why my netlist on the PCB suddenly turned into hidden lines instead of solid lines? I did not change anything and not sure how to changed them back to solid lines again. Thanks in advance. Susan Lew Quintron Systems, Inc * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Keepouts DRC
[PEDA] URGENT!!!
Re: [PEDA] URGENT!!!
Never mind. It was a stupid rule. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: Brendon Slade [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] URGENT!!! Has it successfully poured before now? Is it just pouring outlines? - do you have No hatching selected? Do you have minimum primitive size set to something outrageous? Just some real quick thought. HTH Brendon. - Original Message - From: Sean James [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:28 AM Subject: [PEDA] URGENT!!! What would keep a polygon pour from not forming if A. There are no keepouts. B. There are no areas present to create dead copper pours. C. I am pouring over the same net. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Virus warning
Re: [PEDA] Blind and buried via's Mayhem
But the tradeoff is the cost of laser drilling vs. normal drilling. - Original Message - From: Jon Elson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Blind and buried via's Mayhem Jeff Stout wrote: [snip] At 03:53 PM 11/29/2001 -0600, Jeff Stout wrote: 1. Can I use a hole pair that goes through the prepreg, but does not go through the core material above or below that level? I just don't see how it can be manufactured. No. At least not to my knowledge. My understanding of the process is that basically you can only use blind vias on cores. You may not connect cores to one another except with full through-hole vias. The exception to this is with vendors who use laser drills (similar to micro-via technology). The power and duration of the laser pulse controls how deep the hole goes. So, there, they can drill blind vias in a laminated board, but not buried, of course. Those still have to be drilled in the cores before the lamination step. Jon * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Dialog boxes, etc. 2
Re: [PEDA] Multiple Subcircuits
I found it easy to do it in PCB. Just layout one cell, then cut paste the cell's tracks vias to the next cell, the nets will rename themselves as long as you have a good netlist. Of course, PCAD was easier to do this. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: Dave Babcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 6:53 AM Subject: [PEDA] Multiple Subcircuits Hello! I have a PCB I am designing that I want to duplicate a subcircuit 64 times. I want to be able to layout the subcircuit once in PCB and then make an array of this subcircuit. Can I do this from the schematic or in the PCB? Any help is appreciated Dave Babcock Cardinal Components Wayne, NJ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Vias trace length
[PEDA] Routines
Re: [PEDA] Vias trace length
My design is 2.5Ghz, so via length is critical. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: Mike Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Vias trace length Is there any way to get Protel to add vias to an overall trace length? Ex. A via going from top to bottom thru an .062 board would add .062 to a total trace length (PCAD/ACCEL does this). Sean, I don't think .062 inch for any digital signal under 500 mhz makes any difference. The actual capacitance of the via will pose more of a problem than the trace length. Actual measurements made by Bill Brooks www.ultracad.com and contributing editor to PCD magazine shows no relevant impedance changes with vias placed in a trace. There are little hic-cups in the impedance but it really doesn't change much. I wish protel would give me a calculation of the capacitance with the via included. A trace length is irrelevant unless it approaches a critical length for the signal, but loss can become a bigger factor. Question; Why don't you use Acell PCAD?personally I think it sucks Mike Reagan EDSI Frederick MD * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Pin gate swapping
[PEDA] Threads
[PEDA] Footprint
Re: [PEDA] Autorouter
I've never have used autorouters. I'm from the old school, where I cut my teeth with hand taping. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: Tim Fifield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Form [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 9:07 AM Subject: [PEDA] Autorouter Just curious... Does anybody use the 99SE autorouter for large PCB designs? Do the majority of board designers do everything manually? I don't even bother with the autorouter anymore, it's to messy. Perhaps I'm not setting it up properly. What do you people do? Tim Fifield * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel usage
I only use the last 4 items on your list. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: Edi Im Hof [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 1:17 PM Subject: [PEDA] Protel usage Hi all Regarding the questions about 3D and autorouter, what parts of Protel do you actually use? There are several tools lingering arround: - Schematic - PCB - Powerprint - CAM Manager - Simulator - Autorouter - 3D Viewer - PLD - Arrange Components - Autoplacer - PCB Miter - Signal Integrity - Database Link What else do we have? I actually use only: - Schematic - PCB - Powerprint - CAM Manager Edi Im Hof + IH electronic+ Phone: ++41 52 320 90 00 + + Edi Im Hof + Fax: ++41 52 320 90 04 + + Doernlerstrasse 1, Sulz + URL: http://www.ihe.ch + + CH-8544 Rickenbach-Attikon + E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] + + Switzerland + + * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Devil's Advocacy, ATS FAQs
Say no more! It's as if Altium (and other big CAD software makers) are penalizing the people who are utilizing their software. I wouldn't be surprised if the future issues of Protel will have *cracks* available on the Internet. I've run into the same situation, you have to upgrade your software, but ALAS, the service contract has expired. Now you have to justify to the people who don't even use the software, how much it'll cost to A. Renew the license; B. Pay for the upgrade; C. (use your imagination). My old boss would refuse to upgrade if HE didn't see the benefits. Maybe all these EDA CAD users should get together and develop their own software than can be distributed for a nominal fee, and have it available on their respective forums. (Does Linux ring a bell?) Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: Fred A Rupinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 2:23 PM Subject: [PEDA] Devil's Advocacy, ATS FAQs I think it important that Protel users submit alternative viewpoints to those presented in Altium's answers to ATS FAQs. Here is my contribution [my comments]: What is Altium Total Support (ATS)? ..ATS, which switches from an irregular-upgrade development model to a continuous-evolution development model. [ATS is not needed for this. This is an internal operational policy determined by Altium. Altium should always be correcting irregularities as a matter of good practice.]..and the ability for Altium to more easily train and maintain a stronger support team.[Ditto] What are the benefits of being an ATS member? .. eliminate the inconvenience of lobbying for software upgrades. [How else can Altium determine users' needs?] Why did Altium introduce ATS for Protel users? [The answer Altium introduced ATS because.. is not given.] Why should I become an ATS member? .. ATS membership minimizes the complication of budgeting for and administering updates to your design tools..[Protel is one of over a half dozen major tools I use, making this a trivial issue. My budget is an important valid issue however, and $US1995 for membership cannot be justified by anything I've learned so far.] How do I become an ATS member? [n/a for many 99SE users.] I am a Protel 99 SE user, how does ATS affect me? You will continue to receive full ATS-level technical support..[I would therefore expect tech support to be scrambling to resolve a recent issue I submitted, but such is not the case. No response yet. If this is ATS-level support, then the future is bleak.] I have purchased a Protel 99 SE Full Suite since October 1st 2001. When will I receive confirmation of my ATS membership? [n/a for many 99SE users.] Can I buy ATS membership for my Protel 99 SE license purchased prior to October 1st 2001? (No)..you will continue to receive full ATS-level technical support..[I would expect tech support to be scrambling to resolve a recent issue I submitted, but such is not the case. No response yet. If this is ATS-level support, then the future is bleak.] When the next Protel version is released will I receive ATS as part of my license? Yes, ..as part of your purchase. [I can't reconcile this regarding users who already have ATS support as described above. Aren't upgrades included at no charge?] What happens if I choose not to renew my membership? .. If at a later date you wish to update your Protel design tools..[Later might make sense judging by the current state of affairs.] How much does ATS cost for Protel products? [Extrapolating, I suspect that the real cost of ATS will be productivity loss owing to additional burdens that membership places on users. ATS has already drawn Protel users into a quagmire. This will be denied, But Altium's statement the formation of closer and stronger relationships with our customers - who in turn can help us improve the effectiveness of our products means customers will be expected to expend resources hoping to rid bugs and gain improvements. Sadly, only a fraction of user effort will bear fruit. A huge waste of time.] How much will it cost to upgrade to the next version of Protel if I am not an ATS member? [I can't reconcile this regarding users who already have ATS support under existing 99SSE licenses as described above.] I also received another long e-mail attempting to clarify the benefits of ATS. This is an extraction from that e-mail: ..let me begin by saying that at this point you've received limited information simply because there are limits in the amount of information available at this time. Please bare in mind that Altium Total Support (ATS) is currently in its infancy - meaning we've yet to determine how exactly we intend to implement things.. Are people really paying money for this? To summarize, Altium already has a wealth of user input
Re: [PEDA] Exporting a schematic as a simple jpg, bmp, gif, etc.
Try using Snagit from www.techsmith.com. It's great for capturing a portion of your screen display, also you can edit the picture and print it. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: Watnoski, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Exporting a schematic as a simple jpg, bmp, gif, etc. Hi Thomas, While Protel has some enhanced features for copying the screen image, my technique works for all windows software. I just have not seen a reason to modify my procedures just for Protel. Michael -Original Message-.com From: Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 6:30 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Exporting a schematic as a simple jpg, bmp, gif, etc. Michael there really is no need to do all that. Simply select the bits you want to copy in the schematic, use the schematic copy function (don't forget to set a reference location) and only the selected bits are sent to the windows clipboard ready for pasting. If you don't want the title block and rest of the template to copy as well, uncheck Tools/Preferences/Graphical Editing/Add template to clipboard. -Original Message- From: Watnoski, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2001 8:25 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Exporting a schematic as a simple jpg, bmp, gif, etc. Importance: High Hi Ray, The method I use is to do a screen capture by pressing the print screen button after zooming in to show the area of interest as large as possible, and moving the cursor to the bottom of the screen. This saves an image of the current screen in the clipboard as a bitmap (.bmp) file. Open a photo editor and ctrl V to paste the image. Now I crop the edges to remove the toolbars and other extraneous details. Another ctrl C to copy the edit image back to the clipboard. Now open the word processor program and paste like any other image. It may help to change your screen colors before starting this procedure unless you want light lines on a dark background. I hope this helps. Michael -Original Message- From: Ray Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 3:39 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Exporting a schematic as a simple jpg, bmp, gif, etc. Hello, I would like to use Protel 99SE to draw some schematics with the intent of eventually using these schematics simply as drawings, as if I had drawn them with Visio, Corel, Micrographics, Paintshop, or some other generic drawing program. I would then like to insert these drawings into Word, Wordpad, or whatever. Does anyone have any insight into doing this? Thanks, Ray Mitchell This message was scanned for viruses on behalf of The Black Decker Corporation. This message was scanned for viruses on behalf of The Black Decker Corporation. This message was scanned for viruses on behalf of The Black Decker Corporation. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] vias vs. pads
Vias also don't have thermal reliefs like pads. (This works in PCAD, though). Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 11:09 PM Subject: [PEDA] vias vs. pads The differences between vias and free pads are artificial. Vias in Protel 99SE are essentially free pads with the following limitations: (1) Vias cannot have names (2) Vias cannot be any shape except circular. (3) Vias cannot exist on a single layer only. (I'm not sure about this, it is conceivable that one could configure a buried/blind via with one layer only. But my expectation would be that it would not work, or if it works it would set up many bugs, being thoroughly unconsidered and untested, I would think. Pads can do all of the above. on the other side, free pads are vias with the following limitations: (1) Free pads cannot be blind or buried, i.e., if they have a hole, it goes all the way through the board. (2) If they are in a footprint (i.e., not free) their net assignments are affected by netlist load. Give us blind/buried layer attributes for pads and free pads will do everything that vias will do, plus they can be named, which means that it is easy to assign special rules to them. Vias, however, should be maintained for backward compatibility and the occasional via that one wants to be part of a footprint -- and/or a way should be introduced to cause a pad to behave under netlist load and DRC like a via. Perhaps a via checkbox. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] HELP!
OK, Abdul, I got the first part to work and created a *netlist* on the PCB. Now how do I load that into the schematic and get the Ref Des to come out correct and not erase the schematic. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] HELP! At 09:21 AM 11/13/01 -0500, Sean James wrote: Ian, this is a good suggestion, however, the PCB hasn't any named nets. He just wires point to point, and keeps track of the wiring in his head by using his rough schematic. I'll be more explicit. That is *not* a problem. Design/Netlist/Menu/Create Netlist from Connected Copper will give all the nets names. Then you reload that net list and run Design/Netlist/Menu/Update Free Primitives from Connected Pads, and your board will be just as if it had been designed with a net list. There is another command, Export Netlist from PCB, which would not work, this command merely exports the pad net assignments, not actual connections. The command names may be different from what I have written, but you should get the idea. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] HELP!
[PEDA] Chip Wire
[PEDA] Pricing
Re: [PEDA] Chip Wire
Any help or information would be greatly appreciated. My only other option is to by a 3rd party add-on for AutoCAD (I used to do chip wire in ACAD without any intelligence; not easy and a big PITA). Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: Bob Fearon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Chip Wire Sean I have used Protel for Chip and Wire, but it was Ver 2.8. If you can use that out date info, contact me off-forum. Bob Fearon Sean James wrote: Has anybody attempted to do chip wire (hybrid layouts) with Protel? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
