One last thought, several people have pointed out that certain classes of
equipment will be exempt i.e. Military, medical etc but if all the
assemble
companies have switched to lead free who is still going to do lead based
assembly (and at what premium)? I know that once we have gone lead free
Rene:
your wish comes too late.
No, I've been wishing this for years ;-)
I have not checked the EU rules lately, but IIRC they have some exemptions
for industrial, medical, and military equipment. Since our products are
used in these areas, I think we fall into this category. If anyone has
Most of the major Japanese manufactures have been lead free for over 3 or
4
years, I guess there reliability is so good as you haven't even noticed
the
difference ;-)
You're right, I haven't noticed the difference in a measly 3-4 years. I
also haven't bought much consumer gear in the past 3-4
Hence the question Where is everyone getting SP2 for Windows XP?
Bittorent, P2P, etc.? ;-)
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: Joe Sapienza [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August
to the big corporate
mindset. I see example after example of big tech firms that have had their
market eroded, and they don't even realize it yet. It's amazing how the
simplest of economic principles are overlooked by these bigthink firms.
By analogy, it seems the major EDA companies all want
I'll second Tom's favorable opinion of 99SE, and add my own comments.
I don't find the 99SE database annoying, my main concern with it is I wonder
if the DDB files will be readable in the future by any non-Microsoft
database tool. That could be a problem, if DDB files are never documented
or
Is it a network printer that is no longer available? I've seen Protel crash
because of this.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: Ian Rozowsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
I remember when Protel bought NeuroRoute from Gene Marsh (?) At the
time,
which was not that long ago, EVERYONE was saying it, NeuroRoute, was the
best thing since sliced bread.
What happened?
Well, we found that bread is very fattening (lots of carbs)! And unless you
eat the whole grain
I'm the guy still using Protel 1.61 (1992) with Windows 3.11 and I'm on
a phone linenow that you're through laughing my question is - my
Look on the bright side - the new virii and worms that plague today's
systems probably won't affect your old system. Most of the vulnerabilities
they
Alternate version: The light at the end of the tunnel is probably an
oncoming train.
Lyrics from a John Fogarty song: The light at the end of the tunnel was
just a burglar's torch. How appropriate for these times...
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
If it's a networked printer, I've seen Protel crash when trying to print to
a non-existent (or not properly configured for sharing) network printer.
IIRC, it was a HP printer that wasn't visible on the network that caused the
crash.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website:
Could be sampler noise from an enabled line in. IE, PC speaker input,
Line
in, CD audio in. I have not analyzed SB live in detail because it is
unable
to play audio without adding pops / clicks in general.
You could be right, I didn't think about that. I'll have to check the SB
Live mixer
Is driving a car more complex and difficult (higher processing load) than
riding a horse? Why do most of us not use horses to get about? Why did
we
(the community collectively) decide to skill-up and learn to drive a car?
So we can get places faster, basically. (Come on Ivan I am sure you
I have multiple computers. I like Windows XP, but I'm continuing to use
W2000 on the majority of my computers. I bought Office XP. I can only use
it on this computer. I see no good reason for this. I'm a single user, my
use of the software in multiple installations would not increase the cost
Oh, come on... Horses smell much better than a City Bus firing up in
front
of you while your stuck behind him on the southbound freeway. cough,
cough
And that's when I dive for the air recirculation button on the dash.
Doesn't work too well on my Caddy convertible, though.
I said I prefer car
means flammable? What a country!
When an alarm is activated, the alarm goes off. Crazy.
I once saw some technical instructions for repairing a machine which told
the tech to uncut a wire.
I once saw a spec that stated the unit shall contain my coprocessor, and
shall be programmed in 67 powerful
I don't have Protel 2004 yet, so I haven't seen what is required for
activation. Am I to understand that the new activation must be done
on-line? On the system Protel 2004 will be running on?
Every time I install some piece of software I suspect might phone home, I
yank the ethernet plug
I do believe the stability of my new system is that all the
peripherals,
24 bit/96KHz sound, USB, 1394, Ethernet, SATA raid controller, ATA raid
controller are all on the motherboard the video card was also made by
Asus
I bet that 24bit/96KHz sound that's on the mobo doesn't sound so
I'm glad to hear someone has had good luck with ASUS. Some time ago I
went
through several ASUS 400MHz CUSL2 motherboards, different CPUs, different
brands of memory, different power supplies, and everything else to try to
stop random crashes. It wasn't just with Protel either. I finally
considerably when compiling jobs which take more than
5
minutes.)
_
Brian Guralnick
- Original Message -
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] New PC tested
Respecting the issue of too many trees for Manuals, When I got my
initial Release
of DXP, I got a manual that was just over 3/8 thick that was an absolute
joke (I am
once again restraining myself to keep it clean here in the forum), that
was totally
worthless, and very soon actually obsolete.
existing product in the areas that the existing users use, Protel has
shot itself in the foot. That would not have been so bad, except for
the fact that their foot was in their mouth and the head stuck up their
rear ends when they shot.
Let's see, the head is up in the rear end, the mouth is
could be flaky hardware. Get a comprehensive memory test program.
Such as memtest86: http://www.memtest86.com/
It's free and it's great. And it's essential to use on modern PC hardware,
which gets closer to the edge and more fragile every day.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
Just a suggestion folks.When you vist sites like TI.com, and when you're
looking for footprint info, I would urge you to take the extra 1-1/2
minutes
to urge them to provide such support...
this is the addres of ti's suggestions box...
if it is what it seems to be i will repeat that i think that altium
should just buy them and integrate it
after all that was neuroute's biz strategy
Be careful what you wish for - you might get it.
Seriously, when a firm with a great product gets bought by another firm, it
usually has
Well, remember that only publicly-traded corporations can be
bought out by force. A privately-held corporation that doesn't
want to be bought, can't be bought.
I wasn't commenting about whether or not they wanted to be bought. It's
entirely conceivable that the owners of a legit company with
The only drawback with this approach is that when selecting components
within the footprint you get the `popup select component dialog' more an
inconvenience than anything else.
Consider it a feature, not an inconvenience (or bug). It's better for
Protel to ask you which object you want,
2.8 has that option also. Under Options preferences unclick Nearest
component and it will list the possibles.
Wow, someone else who remembers 2.8 better than I do. Hot dawg!
I still keep 2.8 around for the occasional PCB that needs to be manually
optimized for parts placement and routing on
Laurie:
I assume you are using 99SE.
I stack components like this all the time. IIRC, there is a design rule
that allows components to touch. Set that rule to allowed. If you want
to enforce that rule for all other components, create a component class
(i.e. TouchAllowed) where all components
Maybe Altium is still using illegal Java (Microsoft's JVM) in their web
pages?
Call me hard headed, but I don't use IE or Outlook (in any of it's
forms) and have no problems with viruses, trojans, etc. MS internet
tools are the primary targets of hackers and they have plenty of holes
to shoot
IMO, this is a BUG in 99SE. This has happened to me before, and
fortunately, I noticed it before having the boards made. No, DRC will NOT
find it. I ended up not using split planes, and added another plane
instead. BTW, the 99SE autorouter will automatically make the same mistake,
that is,
DRC would be happy, but a properly configured ERC would not. I always have
ERC report unconnected pins, and I nail them all down: if there is a
deliberately unconnected pin, I place a No-ERC directive on it, which from
then on suppresses the ERC report.
That's what I do too. It's not just
My wife's business was using Quickbooks as book-keeping software.
Quickbooks was lacking certain features that existed in another program,
MYOB. Since I was frustrated, in particular, with how Quickbooks handled
inventory transfers -- and I did all the book-keeping -- I decided to
switch.
It is right that there is a sucker born every day, but you can not build
a business plan counting on selling only to suckers. You need to be
able to sell to your existing customers and Altium seems to be
specializing in alienating them. I have personally prevented the sale
of 3 seats of DXP
This then reduces to the old question of how Protel treats pads with the
same name. If you start with a fresh board, no netlist loaded, and you
place the parts, then load the net list using Netlist load, the last
behavior I saw was this:
IMO, the way to treat the double-pin scenario is to
them with some sense of awe that
so much could be done with so little. Whereas the tech focus today seems to
be to do less with more. Personally, I feel that the computer software
market is eventually going to have to get back to what worked in the
mid-late 80's and early 90's - nearly bug-free
I just did a 'webquote' from them and they are EXPENSIVE!!!
They made you scream. Maybe that's why they are called Screaming ?
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
-Original Message-
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
snip
Uh-oh, nostalgia trip coming on (muST FIGHT IT, ARrrghh,
can't help it,
giving in...) - Ironically, the only thing I couldn't do
with that old 286
so it should, if it was like my old 286
Leave the lawyers out of it. They are the cause of 1/2 the world's
problems
anyway. The only thing lawyers will do is drain money from Altium, and
we'll
be paying for it with more expensive products.
Literally true. I have a saying:
There are only 2 reasons you need a lawyer. #1 is if you
Hello, all:
I've got to give a preliminary PCB placement to a customer. Of course PDF
can be made, but is there a free Protel viewer that he can use? If so, what
is it, and where do I get it?
Thanks, and happy Thanksgiving to you all.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website:
More importantly for you, Nexar will pioneer a new approach to electronics
development something that we are calling LiveDesign. LiveDesign
capabilities, which are incorporated into the DXP platform, support
real-time communication between the engineer and the design...
Real-time communication
Reading over the annual report, I realise the matter is a tad complicated,
because of the existence of Altium Ltd as the parent entity and then other
companies owned by Altium. On first glance, however, the position of
Altium, even though losses are shown for fiscal 2003, seems to be quite
What a do know is the 200,000 ALU shares I own are
now half what I paid for them with only 2 cent
div for the last year, the IPO was at $2.00 so they
have lost several hundred million of shareholders
money..
Ouch! Sorry about your loss. But that sounds about typical for tech
Brian:
I get a HTTP 404 error message and some French language error message when I
click on the links to get the files.
Parlez-vous France?
Nope. Just English, C, Basic, X86 assembly, and rusty ancient Latin.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
-
,
the revenue from the product cannot support a large hierachical
organization. And that shows the obsolesence of the old big company
business model as it pertains to the Software Industry. I think that in
many niche tech businesses, when a company gets big enough to go public,
it's too big
I'm sure no use of the autorouter was made with these boards, eh? ;-)
30-bit video ADC? I assume that's 10 bits each for R, G, and B ?
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA
My experience with the Protel autorouter is with Advanced Route 3.1 (Protel
2.8, 3.X) and the integrated router in 99se. Don't know about 98 and DXP.
From what I have seen, both AR 3.1 and AR 99SE can quickly produce 100%
results which are acceptable on low to medium-speed digital boards, if the
OEM licenses may be legitimately cheaper because they may represent lower
support costs, plus being, closer to wholesale.
Support? What's that?
I am serious. It's been a long time since I looked at Microsoft's support
policies. I know you don't get support from MS for an OEM version, they
Isn't spam wonderful? ... it makes our lives so interesting. Any day I
expect that $30 million to be wired into my account, and I get 20%, and
all
I had to do was be helpful to this poor relative of a dead dictator I
promise I'll share it with all my friends :-)
You have no friends
is therefore correct.
It was a rhetorical question. I know why the price of the software doesn't
go down. The cost savings from cheap labor goes into more profits for the
company, and/or bigger pay for the top executives. Rarely do the
stockholders actually benefit, as most tech stocks don't pay
AM 10/22/2003, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
Note: I am not against MS in principle. If I could buy a full version
of
W98 or 2K for $39, I'd do it. But $299 is just too much for software
that
should be priced as a commodity.
Mr. Baggett has a strange idea of what the software costs. First
PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7
...see below...
-Original Message-
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:47 AM
Free software can
] Open source SP7
Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
Ivan,
I thought all of that stuff (or at least most of it) was available from
the Microsoft Developers Network. and to be more specific, from their
Visual Studio, and particularly from the individual SDK's for the
different products
Yeah, I get the broken schematic wire thing on my workstation too. Using a
Matrox G450 video card.
If you like Protel 2.8 and don't see the benefit to 99SE, then by all means
stay with 2.8. I still use 2.8 occasionally, for the pin swapping feature.
When manually optimizing routing for a 2
I believe it is a driver issue. I haven't seen the display problem in
years. I'm also using a Matrox G450, but I've reinstalled windows several
times over the years and I don't remember if the drivers were taken from
the Matrox CDROM or some other source.
Yeah, that's the ticket. Keep
JaMi:
Did you mean wierd silence or wierd science? It works either way ;-)
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: JaMi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: JaMi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Protel Developers Forum
When Altium tried to go to a maintenance fee arrangement, we screamed
loudly enough that they backed down. If there were a maintenance fee, we
would have a much better chance of getting service packs How much
would
we be willing to pay for continued work on 99SE? My guess is that if we
: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: JaMi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: JaMi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7
- Original Message -
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED
Mike:
How would you do this? Unless you have the source code for 99SE and
Altium's blessing to make it open source, I don't see how you could make
99SE open source for a SP7. I assume you mean you would write add-on
utilities for 99SE, and your add-ons would be open source? I'm not sure
that
http://memtest86.com
It's da bomb...
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: Jon Elson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel 99SE hangups
.
Pretty bad deal, eh?
I can relate to your interns' plight. While getting my BSEE, I was working
part-time for a local (Tallahassee) traffic products company in the late
80's. They started me out in the repair shop. I had to share a scope and
soldering iron with another tech. But I got creative
. We'd have new stuff if it were up to him.
Our interns love Linux, but the PHB (pointy-haired boss) won't let them
install it--even if it is their own copy.
We are all pretty creative around here--it's good for the soul.
Thanx,
Michael Badillo
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED
, to upgrade from 32-bit will cost $8.6E+12. Yeah, 8.6 trillion
dollars. By my standard, it will have 4 billion times as many bugs. We
could both be right on this one! ;-)
This could be a magnificent opportunity for another tech stock swindle, er,
I mean, rally! Just start a consortium of EDA resellers
You mean something like this:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1
u=/netahtml/srchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1=6058192.WKU.OS=PN/6058192RS=PN/60
58192
Brian, you thief! You pirate! How dare you design an illegal descrambler
box! And you had the audacity to get
Enough! surely!
Hasn't anyone got real work to do?
In THIS (U.S.) economy? What do you think? ;-)
All kidding aside, yes I have real work to do. But sometimes it's good to
blow off steam, and one way to do that is through creative writing and
humor.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix
There are a whole new class of statutes which have been appearing recently
(or at least getting a lot of attention in recent years), and that is in
the
arena dealing with the areas of illgotten gain and unlawful
enrichment.
I am not quite sure that these areas deal only with the civil arena,
for over 10 years now. But I digress. And no, he was not a band
member in AC/DC. Anyway, I hired this guy because he was an electronics
buff. He had 2 years of vocational tech schooling, in addition to building
circuits at home and repairing guitar amps and electronic instruments. He
told me
the boost is in effect
14) Tech suckers buy company stock, thinking it will eventually rise to late
90's levels
15) Company stock tanks due to market shifts, poor quality of outsourced
work, and customer dissatisfaction
16) Stockholders initiate lawsuit alleging stock fraud
17) SEC launches
It probably makes more sense to buy the parts yourself, and find
a part time person who can assemble it directly under the guidance
of the person who designed it.
That's true if all you are using is TH or 50mil SMT. For smaller stuff and
BGAs, how do you do that by hand with part time help?
I can solder 0.5mm (19.685 mil) SMT IC's by hand no problem. BGAs are a
different story...
I can do that too. And my hand can slip, causing a solder bridge to an
adjacent pin. It's a PITA to clear away that solder bridge from those small
pins.
Oh, how I long for DIP and 50mil SMT packages. I
Can anyone tell me how 3d PCB viewer know, what type of capacitor (axial
or radial) use?
I see all capacitors like axial, but I know, 3d viewer can radial too.
Thanx.
Sorry I don't have the answer, I'm just curious how well the 3D PCB viewer
works. I've never tried it myself. I seem to
[...] not me but 3 of our team members with new machine of P4 2.4Ghz on
WinXP decide to leave 99se for Protel 2.8 and that included my superior
who is fluent with Protel because he was grown up with it since his
colledge days.
Let's put it this way: why one would do so is a complete mystery
I would not accept this. 99SE is relatively mature and in a properly
configured system is stable. Windows 98 has known resource problems that
make 99SE less than satisfactory with W98 -- though usable, if one runs a
resource monitor and takes care not to run out of resources -- but with
W2000
Or, improve on the motherboard chipset heatsink. This problem only
reveals
itself in the warmest of summer months. AC doesn't seem to help, don't
know
why. Maybe it's humidity barometric pressure.
What a robust design - NOT!!!
I have an Asus twin-PIII mobo (CUV4X, IIRC). It works fine
My PCB does not have any fine traces. It's a pure CMOS class A audio
amp
and power supply. 3-4 traces are 25 mil wide (audio in), everything else
is
at least 50 mil wide, mostly 250 mil wide.
Pure class A, eh? Those are the best sounding space heaters I know of ;-)
When you say CMOS, do
It seems Mr. Watts has invented an e-mail oscillator ;-)
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: Brooks,Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 2:08 PM
Subject: [PEDA]
The trick to avoid auto-junctions where you don't want them is to make sure
that endpoints of wires (and pins) don't intersect with any point on another
wire. This means you have to be careful about how you place wires. Once
you learn this behavior, it's not a problem.
The problem with turning
Choong:
My suggestions:
1) You may have a boot sector virus, or perhaps some other wacky software
has installed data or code in your master boot record (on the C: drive).
Some programs use copy protection schemes that do this - recent versions of
Intuit's TurboTax programs do this, and it's
internet connection resumed, the problem came back. Like a fool, I
demilitarized 1 PC on the network, and within 5 minutes, I received my
first
pop-up ad. No IE, or email running, just a blank Win2Kpro system after
booting. Now, the network hiccups disappeared, but I was open to viruses
Damn this list server is nearly completely broke, I posted a reply this
morning and still haven't seen it show up yet, approx. 8 hours later. I
haven't had one message cycle through the listserver in less than 5 - 7
hours in the past couple of days. No volume of posts and it is slower than
it
used to be such FUN! I am joking. In the mid-80's, I worked for a
local computer store as a tech, and believe me, there were NO RS-232 pinout
standards back then. I worked on Zenith, IBM, Osbourne, Kaypro, Tandy,
Apple II, NCR, Commodore, TI, you name it. It was always a big issue trying
to get
Phillip:
I already checked the www.linuxprinting.org website. No support for Toshiba
P351 in CUPS or Foomatic. They don't even list the Toshiba brand at all.
If I knew how to write a printer driver for either Linux or Windows, and it
wasn't too difficult, I'd do it and give the printer driver
There are tools to redirect a printer port so you just get a postscript
printer in the windows dialog (that happens to be a physical XX printer).
You can also easily set up a linux printserver that appears as postscript
printers to the windows network pc's, and does the ripping and printing
Your peripheral is supposed to be a DCE (Data Communications Equipment), a
DB9F wired as:
1 DCD
2 TX
3 RX
4 DSR
5 GND
6 DTR
7 CTS
8 RTS
9 RI
The above DCE mates with the PC connector, which is supposed to be a DTE
(Data Terminal Equipment), a DB9M wired as:
1 DCD
2 RX
3 TX
4 DTR
5 GND
6 DSR
7
Pins 2, 3, and 5 only - If I wanted all those handshake lines, I might as
well use a parallel interface.
If there is any chance you may be using a wireline modem or RF modem, you
should consider putting DCD (Data Carrier Detect) in also. That way you
know when you have a valid carrier. So RX,
Yeah, I have tried several Epson LQ models with negative results so far. An
IBM Proprinter emulation worked, but gave ugly results. The Toshiba P351 is
a 24-pin dot matrix, and IIRC the IBM Proprinter was 9-pin. When using
Proprinter emulation, the Toshiba gives the same ugly results as a real
I have no patience with people
who spout off unsubstatiated, illogical, and incorrect garbage, reagrdless
of whether it offends the ears or eyes of the current priveledged class.
Are you referring to Hippies, Liberals, or the Green Party? ;-)
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
Personally, I don't mind seeing questions about DXP on this list. It's good
to know what the issues are with DXP, because it gives insight as to how
mature (or immature) DXP is, and if it's worth upgrading to. I can't answer
any DXP questions because I don't have it, but I at least want to know
I've got a question on Wrico Pens and Linen . . .
: - )
Well, as long as we're going off the deep end, I have an old Toshiba P351
(circa 1986) 24-pin dot matrix printer (wide carriage) that still works
great. But no W2K drivers exist for it. Win95 has a Toshiba driver that
works well, but no
My experience with split planes in 99SE is that it doesn't work if you
autoroute the board.
I had a design about a year ago that I was initially going to use split
planes on (3.3V and 5V nets on the same layer). After placing the split
planes, using the autorouter would result in the 3_3V and 5V
After a visit to the toilet (my best ideas seem to emerge there) I thought
Must..suppress...urgeto.make..humorous...comments.AA
RRGGHH!
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: Leo Potjewijd [EMAIL
For what it's worth (not much?), I think OrCad SDT III for DOS was great.
It was fast, nearly bug-free, and easy to use. And well documented, with
the documentation supplied you could even write your own video driver or
plotter driver if you had some oddball non-supported equipment. You could
Maybe you don't have Administrator priveledges? Your box might be set up to
require Administrator priviledge to run cmd.exe, and you might not be
running at that level by default.
BTW, if you ever intend to use Linux, you need to get used to the idea of
different priviledges. Just to install or
You all know the expression The grass is always greener on the other side
of the fence.
The corillary to that is The grass is always browner where you are
standing.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
Not to throw cold water on your or your son's PCB ambitions, but might it be
cheaper and less trouble to have the boards made by one of the low cost
proto houses that exist now? You can get proto boards done for less than
$100. By the time you set up an exposure lamp, buy the chemicals, film,
Maxim makes some silicon serial number chips. But they aren't human
readable - you need to connect a computing/display device to read out the
serial number.
If human readable is what you must have, the only thing I can think of that
will survive all your board treatments is engraving.
Best
We do have a Maxim device on the board (Superb little things - I try to
put
one on everything I design), but we also need some human readable
labelling
(don't ask me why - ISO900 (or whatever today's new quality
initiative is called) nonsense!).
Now if they would just put a silicon
to contribute. In a nutshell, you say what you do and then you
consistently
do what you have said . That's about it. In many ways it makes jobs so
much
easier having consistent process documents. Work can be handed over to
colleagues with confidence and the whole review process is much
common in today's circuits. Also, 0.01 uF caps are less expensive and
take
up less space (0805 vs. 1206).
Huh? Why would you use a 1206 0.1uf for anything unless you needed 50WVDC
or more rating?
Everything I have read on bypassing for digital says to use 0603 or
smaller parts since they
Ian:
Thanks for the refresher lesson in how real world parts you can actually
get your hands on perform as opposed to theoretically, a smaller case size
will always perform better.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
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