Re: [PEDA] Panelise several designs

2001-09-06 Thread Geoff Harland

 I am currently trying to create an A3 panel of 10 PCB designs I have
 created using Protel99SE. This saves cost by prototyping several PCB
 boards at once.

 When I try to copy and paste the PCB designs using Protel99SE the designs
 lose their connections to the Internal Plane (which I am using as a Ground
 Plane).

 Is there any way around this?

 (I did ask the PCB manufacturers to place these for me as they will have
 the correct tools but they refused as this design is a prototype only.)

 If anybody has any suggestions I would be very greatful to hear them.

 Kevin Blackmore

From the PCB Menu, select Edit/Paste Special In the resulting Paste
Special dialog box, check the checkboxes with captions of Keep net name
and Duplicate designator. (The Add to component class checkbox will
automatically be checked as well after doing this, and that is OK.)

When you are subsequently asked if you want polygons to be repoured, answer
No.

Doing this should work, but check your Gerber files afterwards (which you
should do in any case, even when you are not producing a panellised PCB).
Camtastic can be used for this, but I am long accustomed to using GC-Prevue
for this purpose (and this has the advantage of being *totally* independant
of Altium/Protel). Let me know if you continue to have problems.

Regards,
Geoff Harland.
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Re: [PEDA] Panelise several designs

2001-09-06 Thread Ian Wilson

At 01:08 PM 7/09/01 +1200, you wrote:
Hi

I am currently trying to create an A3 panel of 10 PCB designs I have
created using Protel99SE. This saves cost by prototyping several PCB boards
at once.

When I try to copy and paste the PCB designs using Protel99SE the designs
lose their connections to the Internal Plane (which I am using as a Ground
Plane).

Yep - this will happen as when you copy and paste you do not bring over the 
design rules or the plane assignments.  You may get a better result by 
taking one of the boards and using the Copy-As function to create a new PCB 
which will become the panelised PCB.  This preserves the design rules and 
other stuff not copied by the Copy and Paste.  But it doesn't help if the 
other boards in the set have wildly different design rules or layer stackup.

The potential for incorrect rules causing problems with connections to 
internal planes is very real.

You can export a set of rules from one of your designs (use the Menu button 
on the Design rules dialog) and then import this rule sset into all the 
other designs and re-run DRC and confirm that each design is OK.  Then this 
same rule set can be used in the panelised board and you should/might/may 
be OK.

Make sure in the new design the GND net is tied to the internal plane 
(Layer Stack manager), and you keep the nets (and allow duplicates) using 
the Paste Special command (rather than Paste) when you do the pastes.


Is there any way around this?

If all the boards are similar in construction it may be possible to do but 
is not for the faint-hearted (panelising the same PCB over and over is 
simpler).  A detailed knowledge of the program and the PCBs and the 
manufacturing process is required.

You could use Camtastic to do the panelising as this is the sort of thing 
it is good at.  It deals with the Gerbers, so doesn't try to get too smart 
with rules and layer stack-ups.  This is what I'd do, I think, even though 
I have been panelising in Protel for years.

Ian Wilson

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