Re: [PEDA] Altium changes.

2001-11-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:59 AM 11/2/01 +1200, Steve Baldwin wrote: My understanding is that the dividend doesn't exist in the US. You buy stock at the current price and only make a gain when you sell it at (hopefully) a higher price. No. We are getting pretty far outside the list subject; initially the relevance

Re: [PEDA] Altium changes.

2001-11-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:27 AM 11/2/01 +1100, John Haddy wrote: 8c dividend on a share price of $4.35 = about a 2% return on your investment (assuming no growth). At this rate I'd be wanting to see at least 3% growth per annum (for a 5% net return). Expected net return on a stock includes the expected capital

Re: [PEDA] Altium changes.

2001-11-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:38 PM 11/1/01 -0800, Daniel Webster wrote: This smug statement cuts like a knife into the little guy trying to make a living for himself as a pcb design contractor. Mike, I think your imagination needs to be expanded some ! While I agree, basically, with most of Mr. Webster's post, the

Re: [PEDA] Altium changes.

2001-11-02 Thread Steve Baldwin
At 11:59 AM 11/2/01 +1200, Steve Baldwin wrote: My understanding is that the dividend doesn't exist in the US. You buy stock at the current price and only make a gain when you sell it at (hopefully) a higher price. No. We are getting pretty far outside the list subject; initially the

Re: [PEDA] Altium changes.

2001-11-01 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:27 PM 10/31/01 +0100, Peder K. Hellegaard wrote: Hi everybody I have been the reseller in Denmark for some now but recently I received a terminanation letter from Altium with only one month margin. [...] After this termination, we want to find another vendor of a good tool like Protel to

Re: [PEDA] Altium changes.

2001-11-01 Thread Michael Reagan
At 07:27 PM 10/31/01 +0100, Peder K. Hellegaard wrote: Hi everybody I have been the reseller in Denmark for some now but recently I received a termination letter from Altium with only one month margin. [...] Obviously Altium has a road map and a business plan in which they plan to

Re: [PEDA] Altium changes.

2001-11-01 Thread Ian Wilson
On 02:06 PM 1/11/2001 -0500, Michael Reagan said: At 07:27 PM 10/31/01 +0100, Peder K. Hellegaard wrote: Hi everybody I have been the reseller in Denmark for some now but recently I received a termination letter from Altium with only one month margin. [...] Obviously Altium has a

Re: [PEDA] Altium changes.

2001-11-01 Thread Don Ingram
And besides, the stock price hasn't move much recently anyway so bold action may be required. This intrigues me - why does a stock price have to move? A stable stock price with a reasonable PE ratio may be the sign of a stable company. Seems to me the idea of share prices having to move is

Re: [PEDA] Altium changes.

2001-11-01 Thread Steve Baldwin
This intrigues me - why does a stock price have to move? A stable stock price with a reasonable PE ratio may be the sign of a stable company. Seems to me the idea of share prices having to move is a recipe for short-term rather than long-term financial management. I thought that the tech

Re: [PEDA] Altium changes.

2001-11-01 Thread Ian Wilson
On 11:59 AM 2/11/2001 +1200, Steve Baldwin said: This intrigues me - why does a stock price have to move? A stable stock price with a reasonable PE ratio may be the sign of a stable company. Seems to me the idea of share prices having to move is a recipe for short-term rather than

Re: [PEDA] Altium changes.

2001-11-01 Thread Darren Moore
snip Last dividend was 4.5c fully franked paid on 19/10/01 with current share price of about $4.35. Total dividends for the year are 8c but 3.5c of this is not franked. Is this good or bad? They have a P/E of 24.5 this is average below 10 is good Australia banks are around 14.

Re: [PEDA] Altium changes.

2001-11-01 Thread Andrew Jenkins

Re: [PEDA] Altium changes.

2001-11-01 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:27 AM 11/2/01 +1100, Darren Moore wrote: Very BIG snip. Back to the ATS program, many users have commented on the denial of ATS participation for current (pre Oct 1, 2001) licensees. I think that is because we already get all the benefits. I was told that when the next upgrade was

Re: [PEDA] Altium changes.

2001-11-01 Thread John Haddy
November 2001 11:05 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium changes. snip Last dividend was 4.5c fully franked paid on 19/10/01 with current share price of about $4.35. Total dividends for the year are 8c but 3.5c of this is not franked. Is this good or bad

Re: [PEDA] Altium changes.

2001-11-01 Thread Daniel Webster
In response to Mike R. comments : I have been following this thread carefully, because as with most of you, this will definitely affect my future use of Protel software. Our company has 10 user licenses for Protel 99SE. Fortunately we upgraded before prices sky-rocketed to $8K/seat. I have

Re: [PEDA] Altium changes.

2001-11-01 Thread Steve Baldwin
You are wrong. Oh. That clears that up then. Steve. == Steve BaldwinElectronic Product Design TLA Microsystems Ltd Microcontroller Specialists PO Box 15-680, New Lynn http://www.tla.co.nz Auckland, New Zealand

Re: [PEDA] Altium changes.

2001-11-01 Thread Andrew Jenkins
On 02:06 PM 11/1/2001 -0500, Michael Reagan wrote: At 07:27 PM 10/31/01 +0100, Peder K. Hellegaard wrote: Hi everybody I have been the reseller in Denmark for some now but recently I received a termination letter from Altium with only one month margin. [...] Obviously Altium has

Re: [PEDA] Altium changes.

2001-11-01 Thread Mike Reagan
In response to Daniel Websters comments : This comment is very narrow in it's perspective, which leads me to think that financial resources are not an issue for this user, perhaps working for a large company with larger budgets, but does not take into account the many smaller companies

Re: [PEDA] Altium changes.

2001-11-01 Thread Daniel Webster
Mike: I appreciate your history and arguements. I am sympathetic with your struggles. You are the prime example of why I believe Altium is overstretching it's customers. Only Two years ago we were able to purchase Protel 99SE for substantially less than 8K and with full support (no additional

Re: [PEDA] Altium changes.

2001-11-01 Thread Tony Karavidas
Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 12:41 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium changes. (5) Protel had allowed wide Beta participation; pretty much, if you wanted to be a Beta tester, you could. I see today that an experienced user, a frequent

[PEDA] Altium changes.

2001-10-31 Thread Peder K. Hellegaard