Re: [PEDA] Upgrade Pricing Ethics WAS: Not DXP or P99SE, but have you seen the Cadence offer!!!!

2002-08-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:32 PM 8/3/2002 -0400, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: I have been warning friends and family about what is happening with software licensing, with mixed results. I get a lot of apathy. It will be that way until one day they turn on their PC and it says (names changed to protect the

Re: [PEDA] Upgrade Pricing Ethics WAS: Not DXP or P99SE, but have you seen the Cadence offer!!!!

2002-08-03 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
As for market forces on software prices, I'm going to do my part. I'm done buying any new Microsoft OS's after Win2K (due to their licensing and privacy policies) and Altium (because of pricing/support/utility -per-dollar issues). So I guess I may only be one person, but I'm voting with my

Re: [PEDA] Upgrade Pricing Ethics WAS: Not DXP or P99SE, but have you seen the Cadence offer!!!!

2002-08-03 Thread Rich Thompson
Hahahahaha I love this guy ;-) -Original Message- From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 03 August 2002 19:32 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Upgrade Pricing Ethics WAS: Not DXP or P99SE, but have you seen the Cadence offer As for market

Re: [PEDA] Upgrade Pricing Ethics WAS: Not DXP or P99SE, but have you seen the Cadence offer!!!!

2002-08-03 Thread Joel Hammer
easy Ivan... micro-junk may be reading this and you just laid out the ground work for them!!! it was hella funny, despite the possibility of it happening for real! ~Joel - Original Message - From: Rich Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday,

Re: [PEDA] Upgrade Pricing Ethics WAS: Not DXP or P99SE, but have you seen the Cadence offer!!!!

2002-08-03 Thread Mira
LOL, so true. --- Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for market forces on software prices, I'm going to do my part. I'm done buying any new Microsoft OS's after Win2K (due to their licensing and privacy policies) and Altium (because of pricing/support/utility

Re: [PEDA] Upgrade Pricing Ethics WAS: Not DXP or P99SE, but have you seen the Cadence offer!!!!

2002-08-02 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
i think the time use model is a future certainty, UCITA already allows remote disabling of users software more or less at the vendor's will UCITA may allow it, but my buying policy does not allow it. If I buy a copy of software I should be able to use it as long as I want to. If a software

Re: [PEDA] Upgrade Pricing Ethics WAS: Not DXP or P99SE, but have you seen the Cadence offer!!!!

2002-08-02 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
The personal electronics industry is a freak among industries. You must agree with that? Well, it's a BIG freak, then. So big that it is regarded as the norm by anyone not in the industry. Even in your example lies cable modem service that has gone up and up. Tell me why? They say it's

Re: [PEDA] Upgrade Pricing Ethics WAS: Not DXP or P99SE, but have you seen the Cadence offer!!!!

2002-08-02 Thread Tony Karavidas
-Original Message- From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:43 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Upgrade Pricing Ethics WAS: Not DXP or P99SE, but have you seen the Cadence offer The personal electronics industry

Re: [PEDA] Upgrade Pricing Ethics WAS: Not DXP or P99SE, but have you seen the Cadence offer!!!!

2002-08-02 Thread Matt Pobursky
On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:35:44 -0700, Tony Karavidas wrote: ..snip... Sure it's area specific, but I think it's a trend. Corporate mergers make entities closer and closer to monopolies and monopolies usually generate price increases. I think the ATT breakup wasn't a good thing. Even if prices are

Re: [PEDA] Upgrade Pricing Ethics WAS: Not DXP or P99SE, but have you seen the Cadence offer!!!!

2002-08-01 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Yes, Rene, by definition, everything decided is a decision... However, some decisions are worse than others. This morning I decided whether to eat a bagel and grapefruit juice at home, or get a McDonald's biscuit and orange juice on the way to the office. I chose the McD biscuit. That was an

Re: [PEDA] Upgrade Pricing Ethics WAS: Not DXP or P99SE, but have you seen the Cadence offer!!!!

2002-08-01 Thread Joel Hammer
the lurkers should be having a fit over the last couple of weeks threads... glad i don't have to attend any of those meetings!!! not to mention having to try to keep a straight face and convince someone that it's in their best interest to buy into the altium way of business... ..see we will get

Re: [PEDA] Upgrade Pricing Ethics WAS: Not DXP or P99SE, but have you seen the Cadence offer!!!!

2002-08-01 Thread Tony Karavidas
Ivan, do you mean to say your prices haven't gone up in the past (pick time frame)?? I know I charge more today for basically the same work that I did 3 or 4 years ago. Why is everyone so shocked that Protel's price went up? Everything has gone up, milk, eggs, gas, cars, etc. -Original

Re: [PEDA] Upgrade Pricing Ethics WAS: Not DXP or P99SE, but have you seen the Cadence offer!!!!

2002-08-01 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
No, not everything has gone up. I am surprised that you would make this claim, being in the electronics industry. Here are some things that have gone down: Long distance rates Cellphone rates TVs (get a good one for $300 US, they used to be a lot more) All kinds of personal electronics

Re: [PEDA] Upgrade Pricing Ethics WAS: Not DXP or P99SE, but have you seen the Cadence offer!!!!

2002-08-01 Thread jamgramet
You have forgotten what EDA software used to cost! In the early days of Daisy, Mentor, Valid you would have to pay ten's of thousands of dollars just for schematic capture! The PCB layout tools cost $100k+. This was before PC's came along. In the IC industry, they have to pay $100k-1m+ for a

Re: [PEDA] Upgrade Pricing Ethics WAS: Not DXP or P99SE, but have you seen the Cadence offer!!!!

2002-08-01 Thread jamgramet
You have forgotten what EDA software used to cost! In the early days of Daisy, Mentor, Valid you would have to pay ten's of thousands of dollars just for schematic capture! The PCB layout tools cost $100k+. This was before PC's came along. In the IC industry, they have to pay $100k-1m+ for a

Re: [PEDA] Upgrade Pricing Ethics WAS: Not DXP or P99SE, but have you seen the Cadence offer!!!!

2002-08-01 Thread Tony Karavidas
The personal electronics industry is a freak among industries. You must agree with that? Even in your example lies cable modem service that has gone up and up. Tell me why? They say it's because it reflects the value of our service.' BS, it's because DSL went up and cable can go up to because

Re: [PEDA] Upgrade Pricing Ethics WAS: Not DXP or P99SE, but have you seen the Cadence offer!!!!

2002-08-01 Thread Dennis Saputelli
well, all that notwithstanding there are official numbers on such matters inflation index, consumer price index, and others they are all VERY low for many many years now (knock on wood), on the order a few percent remember the jimmy carter years? software has yet to find it's real price

Re: [PEDA] Upgrade Pricing Ethics WAS: Not DXP or P99SE, but have you seen the Cadence offer!!!!

2002-08-01 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
the early days of Daisy, Mentor, Valid you would have to pay ten's of thousands of dollars just for schematic capture! The PCB layout tools cost $100k+. This was before PC's came along. In the IC industry, they have to pay $100k-1m+ for a single software seat! I think PCB is doing pretty