At 02:32 PM 8/3/2002 -0400, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
I have been warning friends and family about
what is happening with software licensing, with mixed results. I get a lot
of apathy. It will be that way until one day they turn on their PC and it
says (names changed to protect the
As for market forces on software prices, I'm going to do my part. I'm
done buying any new Microsoft OS's after Win2K (due to their licensing
and privacy policies) and Altium (because of pricing/support/utility
-per-dollar issues). So I guess I may only be one person, but I'm
voting with my
Hahahahaha I love this guy ;-)
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From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 03 August 2002 19:32
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Upgrade Pricing Ethics WAS: Not DXP or P99SE, but
have you seen the Cadence offer
As for market
easy Ivan... micro-junk may be reading this and you just laid out the ground
work for them!!!
it was hella funny, despite the possibility of it happening for real!
~Joel
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From: Rich Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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LOL, so true.
--- Bagotronix Tech Support
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As for market forces on software prices, I'm going
to do my part. I'm
done buying any new Microsoft OS's after Win2K
(due to their licensing
and privacy policies) and Altium (because of
pricing/support/utility
i think the time use model is a future certainty, UCITA already allows
remote disabling of users software more or less at the vendor's will
UCITA may allow it, but my buying policy does not allow it. If I buy a copy
of software I should be able to use it as long as I want to. If a software
The personal electronics industry is a freak among industries. You must
agree with that?
Well, it's a BIG freak, then. So big that it is regarded as the norm by
anyone not in the industry.
Even in your example lies cable modem service that has gone up and up.
Tell
me why? They say it's
-Original Message-
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:43 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Upgrade Pricing Ethics WAS: Not DXP or P99SE, but
have you seen the Cadence offer
The personal electronics industry
On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:35:44 -0700, Tony Karavidas wrote:
..snip...
Sure it's area specific, but I think it's a trend. Corporate mergers
make entities closer and closer to monopolies and monopolies usually
generate price increases. I think the ATT breakup wasn't a good thing.
Even if prices are
Yes, Rene, by definition, everything decided is a decision...
However, some decisions are worse than others. This morning I decided
whether to eat a bagel and grapefruit juice at home, or get a McDonald's
biscuit and orange juice on the way to the office. I chose the McD biscuit.
That was an
the lurkers should be having a fit over the last couple of weeks threads...
glad i don't have to attend any of those meetings!!! not to mention having
to try to keep a straight face and convince someone that it's in their best
interest to buy into the altium way of business...
..see we will get
Ivan, do you mean to say your prices haven't gone up in the past (pick time
frame)??
I know I charge more today for basically the same work that I did 3 or 4
years ago. Why is everyone so shocked that Protel's price went up?
Everything has gone up, milk, eggs, gas, cars, etc.
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No, not everything has gone up. I am surprised that you would make this
claim, being in the electronics industry. Here are some things that have
gone down:
Long distance rates
Cellphone rates
TVs (get a good one for $300 US, they used to be a lot more)
All kinds of personal electronics
You have forgotten what EDA software used to cost! In
the early days of Daisy, Mentor, Valid you would have
to pay ten's of thousands of dollars just for
schematic capture! The PCB layout tools cost $100k+.
This was before PC's came along.
In the IC industry, they have to pay $100k-1m+ for a
You have forgotten what EDA software used to cost! In
the early days of Daisy, Mentor, Valid you would have
to pay ten's of thousands of dollars just for
schematic capture! The PCB layout tools cost $100k+.
This was before PC's came along.
In the IC industry, they have to pay $100k-1m+ for a
The personal electronics industry is a freak among industries. You must
agree with that?
Even in your example lies cable modem service that has gone up and up. Tell
me why? They say it's because it reflects the value of our service.' BS,
it's because DSL went up and cable can go up to because
well, all that notwithstanding there are official numbers on such
matters
inflation index, consumer price index, and others
they are all VERY low for many many years now (knock on wood),
on the order a few percent
remember the jimmy carter years?
software has yet to find it's real price
the early days of Daisy, Mentor, Valid you would have
to pay ten's of thousands of dollars just for
schematic capture! The PCB layout tools cost $100k+.
This was before PC's came along.
In the IC industry, they have to pay $100k-1m+ for a
single software seat! I think PCB is doing pretty
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