[PEDA] AW: Net class problems

2001-11-16 Thread Georg Beckmann
Some time ago, I had trouble with a fuse value of 1A. This was interpreted as a HEX NUMBER means 26 or so. The work around was to name the fuse 1.0AMP. Try if it works with different net names. Georg -Urspr ngliche Nachricht- Von: Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Freitag, 16.

Re: [PEDA] Exporting a schematic as a simple jpg, bmp, gif, etc.

2001-11-16 Thread Watnoski, Michael

[PEDA] Autorouter

2001-11-16 Thread Tim Fifield
Just curious... Does anybody use the 99SE autorouter for large PCB designs? Do the majority of board designers do everything manually? I don't even bother with the autorouter anymore, it's to messy. Perhaps I'm not setting it up properly. What do you people do? Tim Fifield * * * * * * * * * * *

[PEDA] Copper Calculations

2001-11-16 Thread Stephen Smith
Does anyone know a simple way of calculating copper track size (in, mm), when you know the amount of copper (in, ounces), and the current flow (in, Amps)?? I've never had to do any high current circuits before, so any help much appreciated. Steve * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Re: [PEDA] Autorouter

2001-11-16 Thread Juha Pajunen
I have been using Protel99SE now about two years and have not never used autorouter. I try is once and end up that same conclusion as Tim Fifield PS. I am a new guy i this forum Sincerely, Juha Pajunen, Hw Engineer -Original Message- From: Tim Fifield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:

Re: [PEDA] Autorouter

2001-11-16 Thread Rene Tschaggelar
I don't even use it for small designs. I tried it once and found it useless. Admittedly I do strictly 2 layer designs. It might be useful for multilayer designs though. Rene -- http://www.ibrtses.com Tim Fifield wrote: Just curious... Does anybody use the 99SE autorouter for large PCB

Re: [PEDA] Copper Calculations

2001-11-16 Thread Ted Tontis
Minimum Conductor Widths For PCBs Temperature Rise Above Ambient For 1/2 oz Copper Amperage Ambient Temperature Conductor Width 1 AMP 45C (113F) .013 1.5 AMP 45C (113F) .025 2 AMP 45C (113F) .033 3 AMP 45C (113F) .050 4 AMP 45C (113F) .073 5 AMP 45C (113F) .110 6 AMP 45C (113F) .125 7

[PEDA] dual-sided connector footprint ??

2001-11-16 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i just finished a board that had an connector with little smt-type feet, some that contacted with the top, some that contacted with the bottom of the board. i played with getting a footprint with top and bottom pads, but it didn't seem to want to cooperate, so i ended up hacking it and

Re: [PEDA] Copper Calculations

2001-11-16 Thread Stephen Smith
That's very helpful, thanks. But, one more thingWho is Chris Robertson? Steve -Original Message- From: Ted Tontis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 16 November 2001 15:06 To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Copper Calculations Minimum Conductor Widths For PCBs

Re: [PEDA] Autorouter

2001-11-16 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
How large is large for you? I use the 99SE autorouter for my large designs, but not for small designs. It takes a lot of practice and trial/error to figure out how to set up the autorouting rules for each board. And each board may take different rules. You just have to have patience.

Re: [PEDA] Autorouter

2001-11-16 Thread Darryl Newberry
My company has lots of money so they bought Specctra 10.0. Our designs aren't physically that big or dense so I still prefer to route by hand for best results. Plus I don't really do that many boards in a year. Specctra performance is great but you have to learn all about DO files. I was not at

Re: [PEDA] dual-sided connector footprint ??

2001-11-16 Thread Rene Tschaggelar
When placing pads you can select toplayer, bottomlayer or multilayer. Just adjust it. Rene Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: hello, i just finished a board that had an connector with little smt-type feet, some that contacted with the top, some that contacted with the bottom of the board. i

[PEDA] Antwort: Autorouter

2001-11-16 Thread ga
Hi Tim, we route large designs with SPECCTRA. Gisbert Auge N.A.T. GmbH Tim Fifield

Re: [PEDA] dual-sided connector footprint ??

2001-11-16 Thread Phillip Stevens
I do remember seeing a few connectors like this, I believe they were in the legacy PCB libraries. I specifically remember seeing a DB9 SMT connector, somewhere. I'd use one of these as a model, and morf it into whatever you need. I don't think it is anything more than creating a component

Re: [PEDA] Copper Calculations

2001-11-16 Thread Ted Tontis
he writes articles for PCD magazine. Here is there web sight www.pcdmag.com very helpful. Ted -Original Message- From: Stephen Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 9:05 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Copper Calculations That's very helpful,

Re: [PEDA] Using 3D

2001-11-16 Thread Fred A Rupinski
- Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Using 3D ... those

Re: [PEDA] Using 3D

2001-11-16 Thread Fred A Rupinski
On 11/14/01 I asked: I would like to use a 3D rendering of a prototype PCB for a project proposal. The rendering displays abnormal looking components at custom footprint locations. This is completely unacceptable for a professional proposal. Using 99SE SP6, can anyone tell me how I can generate

Re: [PEDA] dual-sided connector footprint ??

2001-11-16 Thread Darryl Newberry
What does didn't want to cooperate mean? That you couldn't flip it? You should be able to have any mix of top, bottom, and multi pads on any given footprint. Seems pretty simple--just modify the pad properties in the pcb library editor. -Original Message- From: Robison Michael R CNIN

Re: [PEDA] dual-sided connector footprint ??

2001-11-16 Thread Peter Bennett
Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: hello, i just finished a board that had an connector with little smt-type feet, some that contacted with the top, some that contacted with the bottom of the board. i played with getting a footprint with top and bottom pads, but it didn't seem to want to

Re: [PEDA] Autorouter

2001-11-16 Thread Sean James
I've never have used autorouters. I'm from the old school, where I cut my teeth with hand taping. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: Tim Fifield [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [PEDA] Copper Calculations

2001-11-16 Thread Jean Bourgouin
Try Pcbtemp.exe at Utracad design its free and very usefull. www.ultracad.com/calc.htm -Original Message- From: Stephen Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 9:07 AM To: Protel EDA Forum (E-mail) Subject: [PEDA] Copper Calculations Does anyone know a simple

Re: [PEDA] Autorouter

2001-11-16 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
I've never have used autorouters. I'm from the old school, where I cut my teeth with hand taping. Ouch, that must have hurt! Personally, I have my dentist do my dental work. ;-) Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: http://www.bagotronix.com - Original Message -

Re: [PEDA] Antwort: Autorouter

2001-11-16 Thread ga
Ivan, what buttons do you push, i.e. what rules did you find significant playing around with? Just being curious ... Regards, Gisbert Auge N.A.T. GmbH

Re: [PEDA] Using 3D

2001-11-16 Thread Jason Morgan
On 11/15/01 Altium responded: It is not possible to manually define the 3D model that Protel will use to represent your custom made components at this time. There are third-party tools that may be helpful in this task. The companies that I am aware of that offer these tools are .

Re: [PEDA] Autorouter

2001-11-16 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
I've never have used autorouters. I'm from the old school, where I cut my teeth with hand taping. Fortunately, I never had to use the mylar tape layout. But I have manually routed quite a few boards. Until the Protel AR came along, I never did autorouting, because the few autorouters I had

Re: [PEDA] Autorouter

2001-11-16 Thread David W. Gulley
Tim Fifield wrote: Just curious... Does anybody use the 99SE autorouter for large PCB designs? Do the majority of board designers do everything manually? I don't even bother with the autorouter anymore, it's to messy. Perhaps I'm not setting it up properly. What do you people do? I have

Re: [PEDA] Antwort: Autorouter

2001-11-16 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
I'm not at my Protel workstation today, so this is from memory... I find that your choice of direction bias on the routing layers can make a big difference. I will try several trial runs with different choices to see which one has the best results. You should make use of the 45 up, 45 down,

Re: [PEDA] Using Client Spreadsheets to update schematics

2001-11-16 Thread Darryl Newberry
More on the subject of export to Client Spreadsheet/Excel for tabular edit/update. Hopefully this will clarify for all. 1. Open the schematic (top level sheet if hierarchical). 2. Export to spreadsheet--this runs the client spreadsheet creation wizard. 3. Choose All Off, Part, OK, then check

Re: [PEDA] Exporting a schematic as a simple jpg, bmp, gif, etc.

2001-11-16 Thread Mark Randol
You can do the same thing with a generic PS driver that comes with Windoze. Just setup the port as FILE, and it'll cue you for it everytime you print. IIRC, you can use Ghostscript to generate PS ?or PDF? as a printer driver as well. -- Mark Randol, RF Evaluation Engineer Motorola SPS, Inc.

Re: [PEDA] was multi part and Orcad Capture

2001-11-16 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:24 PM 11/14/01 -0800, Andrew W. Riley III wrote: Hello, i just bought orcad capture 9.2 to do some work for others and although i don't know the prog very well it does not seem to have the global edit features does anyone know about capture? I don't recall too much about capture,

Re: [PEDA] Antwort: Autorouter

2001-11-16 Thread Tim Fifield
Ivan, I'm also interested in what button you push. Tim. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 11:29 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Antwort: Autorouter Ivan, what buttons do you push, i.e. what rules did you

[PEDA] Protel usage

2001-11-16 Thread Edi Im Hof
Hi all Regarding the questions about 3D and autorouter, what parts of Protel do you actually use? There are several tools lingering arround: - Schematic - PCB - Powerprint - CAM Manager - Simulator - Autorouter - 3D Viewer - PLD - Arrange Components - Autoplacer - PCB Miter - Signal

Re: [PEDA] Antwort: Autorouter

2001-11-16 Thread Steve Wiseman
On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Tim Fifield wrote: Ivan, I'm also interested in what button you push. Same here. I've got Specctra, so I don't care so much about the ARs inability, but I've just convinced a customer of mine to buy Protel so they can do their own maintenance of the board I've just done

Re: [PEDA] Protel usage

2001-11-16 Thread Tim Fifield
Edi, We use: Sch PCB Signal Integ. CAM Man. Print. Database link, not 100% though. Tim -Original Message- From: Edi Im Hof [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 2:17 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Protel usage Hi all Regarding the questions about 3D

Re: [PEDA] Antwort: Autorouter

2001-11-16 Thread Max Henzi
Hi Ivan, It means Answer Max -Original Message- From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 9:32 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Antwort: Autorouter Hey, what does Antwort mean in the subject line of some of these list

Re: [PEDA] Using 3D

2001-11-16 Thread Michael Reagan
Jason wrote A schematic entry tool that is missing features and has many bugs. A PCB system that has missing features and crashes a lot. An almost useless 3D 'viewer'. A redundant spreadsheet that tries to emulate Excel. A badly integrated spice tool An extensive but disjointed library

Re: [PEDA] Protel usage

2001-11-16 Thread Sean James
I only use the last 4 items on your list. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: Edi Im Hof [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday,

Re: [PEDA] Protel usage

2001-11-16 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Regarding the questions about 3D and autorouter, what parts of Protel do you actually use? - Schematic YES - PCB YES - Powerprint YES - CAM Manager YES - Simulator NO, but I may soon. I think this is an important feature. - Autorouter YES, needs improvement - 3D Viewer NO, not until it

Re: [PEDA] Using 3D

2001-11-16 Thread Paul Hutchinson
Warning long post :-) *However*, if Mr. Hutchinson will watch this list, he may note that those I have been watching the list since the end of 1999 and have not heard of even one new feature or, bug fix in Protel99/SE that would improve Maximum's productivity over P98. This is why I

Re: [PEDA] Autorouter

2001-11-16 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:04 PM 11/16/01 -0500, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: When good folks like Abdul, bless his heart, assert that Protel is a good value even at $8K, they should keep in mind that some organizations do more than PCB layout for hire. Certainly. I don't need simulation, PLD programming, etc. It

Re: [PEDA] Autorouter

2001-11-16 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:04 PM 11/16/01 -0500, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: Once one of the Mechs asked what software I used to connect the pads together on the CAD system. I told him I was using the Bago-router. He thought I was being serious and asked what the Bago-router was. I replied It's a 100%

Re: [PEDA] Using 3D

2001-11-16 Thread Tony Karavidas
Be thankful you're not trying to program an ADI DSP. I'm having so many problems with their tools and they cost $5K!! I was an orcad user too during the V7 period and remember it crashing constantly, especially when trying to move parts from one library cache to another. No thanks... Tony

Re: [PEDA] Autorouter

2001-11-16 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:32 AM 11/16/01 -0500, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: I've never have used autorouters. I'm from the old school, where I cut my teeth with hand taping. Ouch, that must have hurt! Personally, I have my dentist do my dental work. My teeth I never cut, my fingers, yes, and I think more

Re: [PEDA] Protel usage

2001-11-16 Thread rlamoreaux
There are several tools lingering arround: - Schematic YES - PCBYES - Powerprint YES - CAM ManagerYES - Simulator YES JUST PROVED WHY A CUSTOMERS EXISTING SYSTEM IS APPLES COMPARED TO OUR ORANGES - Autorouter

Re: [PEDA] Using 3D

2001-11-16 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:47 PM 11/16/01 -0500, Paul Hutchinson wrote: Warning long post :-) *However*, if Mr. Hutchinson will watch this list, he may note that those I have been watching the list since the end of 1999 and have not heard of even one new feature or, bug fix in Protel99/SE that would

Re: [PEDA] Protel usage

2001-11-16 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:43 PM 11/16/01 -0500, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: You forgot CAMtastic. I have used it once, not enough to have mastered it, but it was useful for post-processing and verifying the Gerbers that Protel produced. I was glad to have it. To inspect a board with CAMtastic is *really* fast

Re: [PEDA] dual-sided connector footprint ??

2001-11-16 Thread Jon Elson
Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: hello, i just finished a board that had an connector with little smt-type feet, some that contacted with the top, some that contacted with the bottom of the board. i played with getting a footprint with top and bottom pads, but it didn't seem to want to

Re: [PEDA] Copper Calculations

2001-11-16 Thread Jon Elson
Ted Tontis wrote: Minimum Conductor Widths For PCBs Temperature Rise Above Ambient For 1/2 oz Copper Amperage Ambient Temperature Conductor Width 1 AMP 45C (113F) .013 1.5 AMP 45C (113F) .025 2 AMP 45C (113F) .033 3 AMP 45C (113F) .050 4 AMP 45C (113F) .073 5 AMP 45C (113F) .110 6 AMP

Re: [PEDA] Using 3D

2001-11-16 Thread Don Ingram
P A badly integrated spice tool Made far worse than it needs to be by an appalling lack of documentation An extensive but disjointed library (PCB and SCH) With a very dodgy lack of library component tracking /version control. Don't forget the outstanding PLD system...

Re: [PEDA] Copper Calculations

2001-11-16 Thread Brock Russell
Useful information on copper and temperature calculations can be found at http://www.aracnet.com/cgi-usr/gpatrick/ Trace Width Calculator at http://www.aracnet.com/cgi-usr/gpatrick/trace.pl and references and formula at http://www.aracnet.com/~gpatrick/trace_ref.html I think there are some

Re: [PEDA] Autorouter

2001-11-16 Thread JaMi Smith
Autorouter? Whats an autorouter? You mean you there's something besides black tape and #16 blades? JaMi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Tim Fifield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 6:07 AM To: Protel EDA Form Subject: [PEDA] Autorouter

Re: [PEDA] Using 3D

2001-11-16 Thread Fabian Hartery
One of the key antagonists of the simulation is actually the quality of support offered through the ISO9000 library management. I had made reference in the past to a 'simulation ready' based library team. From what I have seen in the past, vendor SPICE models are just attached to the library

Re: [PEDA] Autorouter

2001-11-16 Thread Steve Baldwin
$1K a year, I'd think Mr. Baggett could afford for a tool rapidly being improved. Obviously, if it were not being improved, even $1 would be too much! To me, this is the crux of the matter. Pay your money now and wait and see what you get for it. An alternative would be put your $1k into

[PEDA] Protel 98 license clarification

2001-11-16 Thread Mark Richards
I just want to make it clear that I would NEVER offer bootleg or illegal software for sale. This is a stand-alone, transferrable license of Protel 98, with all options enabled. Please contact me outside of this forum if there are other questions or comments regarding this matter. Thank you!

Re: [PEDA] Protel usage

2001-11-16 Thread Dwight Harm
Schematic, PCB, Powerprint, CAM Mgr, Autorouter, Camtastic (a bit). PLD I used a bit, but it was easier to switch to Xilinx's tools than to figure out how to get intermediate files from one to the other. (But it's a pain using Xilinx's schematic capture.) -Original Message- From: Edi Im

Re: [PEDA] Autorouter

2001-11-16 Thread Dwight Harm
Not doing anything too large, but mostly use autorouter, with some manual pre-routing. 300+ components, SMT thru-hole, 4-layer, mixed analog+digital. On the dense side (for me), 1200 pads on 5x7 board -- I'm happy to let the autorouter find a way! (Usually gets it about 98%.) -Original

Re: [PEDA] Protel usage

2001-11-16 Thread Don Ingram
- Schematic- Aside from the library problems I quite like this program, it gets the job done is reasonably intuitive to use. - PCB - Beats mylar, it gets the job done the invoices paid. The later improvements in 99SE such as rooms classes etc are great ( if a little

Re: [PEDA] Using 3D

2001-11-16 Thread Graham
Don't get me wrong, I know how to make it crash, there are some design rules that will make it crash but I'm not a moron so don't try them again. I receive designs from other Protel designers and yes their designs crash (lock up) when I load them in my system. I generally investigate what