Re: [PEDA] Protel usage

2001-11-21 Thread Edi Im Hof
At 11:56 21.11.01 +1100, you wrote: On 10:00 AM 21/11/2001 +1000, Don Ingram said: Hi All, It is interesting to see the responses from the Forum. It would seem that I am similar to many others in that we only regularly use the core tools in the package as the rest are rendered useless by either

Re: [PEDA] Protel usage

2001-11-21 Thread Edi Im Hof
It would be great for someone to actually go through the thread and do the stats on the number of replies and tally up the servers used as a percentage of users. The sample space is too small to be meaningful at the moment but it may well be time to set up another famous user surveys. It

Re: [PEDA] Windows XP

2001-11-21 Thread Edi Im Hof
At 21:28 20.11.01 -0600, you wrote: On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:28:32 -0500, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Someone at Microsoft has obviously figured out how much money they are losing because people install their OS on more than one computer. Of course, I won't buy XP with that system unless I am

[PEDA] MS versus Linux

2001-11-21 Thread robi artwork

Re: [PEDA] SPICE Documentation - A good Book anyone ?

2001-11-21 Thread Rolf Molitor
Don, you can find SPICE3 manuals for free very easily, Mr. Hartery posted a link. Protels simulator is based on XSPICE, which is a powerful extension to SPICE3. Free documentation is hard to find, i think there is a copyright about it. Links to free manuals turn up temporarily. You can buy

Re: [PEDA] Reply - MS versus Linux

2001-11-21 Thread robi artwork

Re: [PEDA] Protel usage

2001-11-21 Thread Don Ingram
How many users would be interested in a Standard Package (No SIM, SI, 3D, Database Link, PLD, ???) for a lower price?. I always was the opinion it's a good politic to have only on package with all the tool together, but now it's going to be a bit pricy for me. Why should I pay for tools I

Re: [PEDA] MS versus Linux

2001-11-21 Thread Don Ingram
We vowed to stick with M$ to save having to deal with 'yet more different software' but since our experience with dealing with Win2K server and M$'s new direction in licensing we decided to have a look at Linux. The cobwebs were thick when recalling Unix from years ago at Uni however after

Re: [PEDA] MS versus Linux

2001-11-21 Thread Kathy Quinlan
I ( and I am sure many others here) would be more than willing to beta test a Protel unix version. I can not see it being that hard to convert protel over (apart from converting the database over to mysql from access) I know it would be labour intensive, but I believe it would give them more

Re: [PEDA] Routing in Single Layer Mode

2001-11-21 Thread Richard Sumner
Wayne, Have you tried changing the colors of the other layers? You might be able to make them appear in the same color as the background, or at least very faint. Richard At 03:49 PM 11/21/2001 Wednesday +1300, you wrote: Its far from handy !!! When in single layer mode I only want to see

[PEDA] Pin gate swapping

2001-11-21 Thread Sean James

[PEDA] Threads

2001-11-21 Thread Sean James

[PEDA] Re[2]: Hierarchy Model 4

2001-11-21 Thread ElectronTrade (info)
Hi Abd, Can I use NetLabels in projects with complex hierarchy? I need to NetLabels for bus. But if I set Net Identifier Scope how Sheet Symbol/ Port Connnection all net in bus are missed. AuRL With Sheet Symbol/Port Connections all nets are purely local, i.e., they AuRL connect only to the

Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Hierarchy Model 4

2001-11-21 Thread HxEngr

Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Hierarchy Model 4

2001-11-21 Thread Steve Wiseman
On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The use of ports for intersheet connections also allow the use of any of the several port cross-reference tools available, although I've found them to be not very useful. The softies who have to read my schematics _love_ the Aspiring

Re: [PEDA] Pin gate swapping

2001-11-21 Thread Mike Reagan
My best recommendation would be to toss Protel out and use P-CAD. Not a good recommendation from my viewpoint. In 98 I used to generate an ECO report then give it back to the engineer, it worked fine. I think that feature was lost in the transition to 99. If anyone knows how to generate

Re: [PEDA] Protel usage

2001-11-21 Thread Jim McGrath
Hi All, I agree completely with this assesment. All the other lite versions I've seen in the past have limits ie. number of components or layers or even pins on a component. Those 3 alone would force the purchase of the expensive package. Regards, Jim McGrath Don Ingram wrote: How many

Re: [PEDA] Pin gate swapping

2001-11-21 Thread lloyd . good
Why would you want to take a step backwards! -Original Message- From: Watnoski, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 7:12 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Pin gate swapping My best recommendation would be to toss Protel out and use

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Re: [PEDA] Protel usage

2001-11-21 Thread Edi Im Hof
At 10:50 21.11.01 -0800, you wrote: Hi All, I agree completely with this assesment. All the other lite versions I've seen in the past have limits ie. number of components or layers or even pins on a component. Those 3 alone would force the purchase of the expensive package. I also wouldn't buy

Re: [PEDA] MS versus Linux wrt Protel

2001-11-21 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Oh boy, a chance to stir the Windows/Linux pot! But seriously: We use both Linux and Windows 9X, 2K. Linux is used so far only as the LAN server/gateway. All of the desktop work is done on Windows. Linux is a great server OS, but still needs a lot of GUI and API work before it can be a

Re: [PEDA] MS versus Linux

2001-11-21 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Has any of the *nix users here tried protel under VMware ?? as I have been I think you still need a copy of Windows to run Windows apps under VMware when you run VMware hosted on Linux. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From:

Re: [PEDA] MS versus Linux wrt Protel

2001-11-21 Thread HxEngr

Re: [PEDA] Routing in Single Layer Mode

2001-11-21 Thread JaMi Smith
Wayne, About the only suggestion I can think of would be to change the Selecton color so that it matches your Background color in the Colors tab under Tools - Preferences. It appears to be the Selection color that is used to Highlight nets and other things in Protel. It will probably still

Re: [PEDA] Routing in Single Layer Mode

2001-11-21 Thread Dennis Saputelli
i don't see the prob just hit the END key and the other layer will disappear that way you have it both ways Dennis Saputelli Wayne Trow wrote: Its far from handy !!! When in single layer mode I only want to see what is on that layer - I dont care about the other layers at that moment. I

Re: [PEDA] Another Compacting Design Question

2001-11-21 Thread Jeff Adolphs
Thanks to all for the advise!! I am convinced I have a hardware problem. Even Microsoft Word crashed today (unrepeatable) twice doing routine copy paste from AutoCAD and printing. Jeff Adolphs Lake Shore Cryotronics, Inc. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a

[PEDA] How to use objects as keepouts?

2001-11-21 Thread Jenkins, Charlie
I noticed at some point that a keepout check box was added to the fill properties. I have long wanted to place a top or bottom only keepout in between certain surface mount pads such that copper pours were prevented from filling in between pads that had a layer specific keepout. Unfortunately

Re: [PEDA] Pin gate swapping

2001-11-21 Thread Tony Karavidas
It doesn't do it as others have already said, and frankly I think it's a technology that was useful when 7400 series was more mainstrean, but in the last 10 or so designs I've done, I don't ever recall missing the feature. This is attributed to heavy use of DSPs, uCs, PALs, FPGAs, etc. There are

Re: [PEDA] Routing in Single Layer Mode

2001-11-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
First of all, yes, this can be helpful or annoying, depending on what one is trying to do. For those popping into this thread, here is a description of the problem. I want to review the layers of a board for route quality, so I want to look at one layer at a time. Or perhaps I want to look,

Re: [PEDA] How to use objects as keepouts?

2001-11-21 Thread Tony Karavidas
Why don't you use a layer specific keep-out track? Place a skinny track 1 mil or so between the pads and when you pour the polygon, it will avoid the area between the two SMD pads. Tony -Original Message- From: Jenkins, Charlie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November

Re: [PEDA] How to use objects as keepouts?

2001-11-21 Thread Wayne Trow
Charlie When you place a keepout fill I dont think it gets plotted in the gerber files so you wont end up with a unconnected piece of copper under your SMD. I could be wrong - its happened before :-) Wayne

Re: [PEDA] Pin gate swapping

2001-11-21 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
I liked being able to do pin swapping in v2.8. This was useful when manually routing a PCB and optimizing the layout for no signals crossing over/under other signals. I could assign connector pinouts on the fly by swapping connector pins. Of course, the schematic has to be updated afterwards.

Re: [PEDA] Line or Track

2001-11-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:34 PM 11/21/01 +1100, Ian Wilson wrote: Method 2 is better but may not work with a future release as really keepout tracks do not need a net assignment, but hopefully Protel will realise the problem and add Object Kind (with at least Keepout as an option) to the min/max rules scopes,

Re: [PEDA] MS versus Linux

2001-11-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:29 PM 11/21/01 +1000, robi artwork wrote: Well well well - Maybe the time has come to ask Altium to get Protel running under Linux. Given the way that Microsoft is going, I request that Altium pursue the Linux system as an option. I'm aware that this may require substantial effort, but

Re: [PEDA] MS versus Linux wrt Protel

2001-11-21 Thread Jon Elson
Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: Oh boy, a chance to stir the Windows/Linux pot! But seriously: We use both Linux and Windows 9X, 2K. Linux is used so far only as the LAN server/gateway. All of the desktop work is done on Windows. Linux is a great server OS, but still needs a lot of GUI

Re: [PEDA] Reply - MS versus Linux

2001-11-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:45 PM 11/21/01 +1000, robi artwork wrote: I don't know how many Protel Customer actually joined this forum - but maybe we, the lot of us, could have an impact for Protel, considering Linux as the Base. Techserv does not make readily available the subscriber base of this list. At one

Re: [PEDA] How to use objects as keepouts?

2001-11-21 Thread Brendon Slade
There is a setting somewhere in the print/plot/gerber setup to print the keepout objects. This is set to no by default. - Original Message - From: Wayne Trow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] How to

Re: [PEDA] MS versus Linux

2001-11-21 Thread Jon Elson
Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: Has any of the *nix users here tried protel under VMware ?? as I have been I think you still need a copy of Windows to run Windows apps under VMware when you run VMware hosted on Linux. Yes, certainly. VMware just provides you with a virtual PC, with no

Re: [PEDA] Pin gate swapping

2001-11-21 Thread Steve Wiseman
On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: Bring back the pin swapping! Gate swapping is not important to me for the reasons Tony mentioned. 'gate' swapping would be handy when laying out respacks - those tiny 4-individual-resistors-inna-0804-package things. It's not much of a

Re: [PEDA] Pin gate swapping

2001-11-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:48 AM 11/21/01 -0500, Sean James wrote: Does anybody know how to get Protel to do gate pin swapping? Protel does not support this automatically. But it is not difficult to go back and forth between schematic and pcb to accomplish something similar. And with a complex assignment problem,

Re: [PEDA] How to use objects as keepouts?

2001-11-21 Thread Jon Elson
Jenkins, Charlie wrote: I noticed at some point that a keepout check box was added to the fill properties. I have long wanted to place a top or bottom only keepout in between certain surface mount pads such that copper pours were prevented from filling in between pads that had a layer

Re: [PEDA] Threads

2001-11-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:51 AM 11/21/01 -0500, Sean James wrote: Can we get off of these threads and get backto helpful tips tricks for Protel? The way I see it, all the writers here are volunteers, and, in general, what they think relevant *is* relevant; the social aspects of our community are not

Re: [PEDA] MS versus Linux wrt Protel

2001-11-21 Thread Phil So
If M$ doesn't listen to public outcry against activation and get rid of it, we will have no choice but to protest by ceasing to buy new M$ products. This means adopting Linux on the desktop. M$ has done the Linux Community an enormous service in disillusioning their existing Client

Re: [PEDA] Pin gate swapping

2001-11-21 Thread lloyd . good
Mr. Lomax I would hesitate to let the pcb routing dictate the FPGA configuration. It has been my experience in the past that this can result in disastrous synthesis. I would suggest that unless you have full control over the FPGA simulation, synthesis and layout, that it is best to let the FPGA

[PEDA] Footprint

2001-11-21 Thread Sean James

Re: [PEDA] Pin gate swapping

2001-11-21 Thread Steve Wiseman
On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Lomax I would hesitate to let the pcb routing dictate the FPGA configuration. It has been my experience in the past that this can result in disastrous synthesis. I would suggest that unless you have full control over the FPGA simulation,

Re: [PEDA] MS versus Linux

2001-11-21 Thread Colin Weber
Robi, I used to use Cadence on Unix for many years. 10 years later I still say the older versions of Unix are better than all the crap out today, period. These overinflated operating systems of today, from my viewpoint, are about money and not service for the customers. Having had the benefit

Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Hierarchy Model 4

2001-11-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:02 PM 11/21/01 +0300, ElectronTrade (info) wrote: Thank you very much for explanation. But I asked about other. Well, I was laying a foundation, aware that there may be complications. I have gate on first list. One input connected to bus via wire with netlabel. This net (with netlabel) is

[PEDA] Power Plane Clearance

2001-11-21 Thread Tim Fifield
I have a few square thru-hole pads on a PCB, but when I set up a design rule to create a rectangle clearance on the GND plane it still produces a circular clearance so the corners of the pad are still touching the GND plane. Filter Kind is Pad Specification. Hole, XY dimensions match. Rectangle

Re: [PEDA] Reply1 MS versus Linux

2001-11-21 Thread robi artwork

Re: [PEDA] Power Plane Clearance

2001-11-21 Thread Jeff Adolphs
I use Rectangular Pads for Top Layer, Bottom Layer. Round Pads for Internal Planes. I check the 'Use Pad Stack' to accomplish this at the PCB footprint library level. I don't need rectangular pads on the internal planes. Jeff Adolphs Lake Shore Cryotronics, Inc. -Original Message-

Re: [PEDA] Power Plane Clearance

2001-11-21 Thread Jon Elson
Tim Fifield wrote: I have a few square thru-hole pads on a PCB, but when I set up a design rule to create a rectangle clearance on the GND plane it still produces a circular clearance so the corners of the pad are still touching the GND plane. Filter Kind is Pad Specification. Hole, XY

Re: [PEDA] MS versus Linux wrt Protel

2001-11-21 Thread robi artwork

Re: [PEDA] Reply1 MS versus Linux

2001-11-21 Thread Ian Wilson
On 08:07 AM 22/11/2001 +1000, robi artwork said: At 08:19 22/11/01 +1100, you wrote: Ahbut good luck in your quest. I fear this is extremely optimistic of you :) But you never know if you don't ask I guess. Colin Weber thank you, Colin As I am the one who started this conversation

Re: [PEDA] Pin gate swapping

2001-11-21 Thread Ian Wilson
On 03:50 PM 21/11/2001 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Mr. Lomax I would hesitate to let the pcb routing dictate the FPGA configuration. It has been my experience in the past that this can result in disastrous synthesis. I would suggest that unless you have full control over the FPGA simulation,

Re: [PEDA] Footprint

2001-11-21 Thread Brian Guralnick
I no one has the footprint for you, you may use my QFP generator, just enter the dimensions provided in you data sheet. Just copy this link location into your internet explorer address bar: ftp://ftp.point-lab.com/quartus/Public/ProtelUsers/ Take these 2 files: QFPfootprintGeneratorScript.bas

Re: [PEDA] Windows XP

2001-11-21 Thread Andrew Jenkins

Re: [PEDA] MS versus Linux

2001-11-21 Thread Andrew Jenkins

Re: [PEDA] Reply1 Power Plane Clearance

2001-11-21 Thread robi artwork

Re: [PEDA] Windows XP

2001-11-21 Thread Jon Elson
Andrew Jenkins wrote: On 09:52 AM 11/21/2001 +1100, Thomas wrote: Please excuse my blissful ignorance but what is the problem with the XP licensing scheme? It establishes, as a standard, an dubious method of authorization, in which a potentially intrusive subprogram is installed during the

Re: [PEDA] MS versus Linux

2001-11-21 Thread Jon Elson
Andrew Jenkins wrote: On 07:29 PM 11/21/2001 +1000, robi artwork wrote: Talking about Operating Systems ! To my knowledge - Linux is a much-much faster and a lot-lot more stable Operating System as any of Microsofts Op's will ever be. Dear Robi Artwork, please send me some of what

Re: [PEDA] MS versus Linux

2001-11-21 Thread Andrew Jenkins

[PEDA] Where does Protel check or flag double hits on drills?

2001-11-21 Thread Brad Velander
Ok, I know this is a no-brainer but this afternoon that suits me just fine, I seem to be short some grey matter. Where within Protel does it check for double drill hits? I know that sometime in the past I have had this flagged when doing a design or outputting fab files. However I just got word

Re: [PEDA] MS versus Linux

2001-11-21 Thread robi artwork

Re: [PEDA] Windows XP

2001-11-21 Thread Andrew Jenkins
On 04:59 PM 11/20/2001 -0800, Dennis Saputelli wrote: according to Brian Livingston (Window Manager columnist from InfoWorld who recommends against using XP) the hardware detection/protection is by design very weak he suggests that there will be hacks freely available shortly to defeat this

Re: [PEDA] Where does Protel check or flag double hits on drills?

2001-11-21 Thread Brendon Slade
There is an add-on Hole Detector server that performs this trick I think. Cheers, Brendon. - Original Message - From: Brad Velander [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum List Server (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 1:50 PM Subject: [PEDA] Where does Protel

Re: [PEDA] Where does Protel check or flag double hits on drills?

2001-11-21 Thread JaMi Smith
Brad, When you set up your CAM outputs for your Gerbers in 99 SE, make sure that you add the NC Drill option when you generate the files, and you will get a file called filename.DRR (in your CAM Folder), which is short ASCII NC Drill Report which will list the specifics about all of your

Re: [PEDA] Where does Protel check or flag double hits on drills?

2001-11-21 Thread Brad Velander
Brendon, I thought that Protel typically reported this in the drill report file? Am I going looney tunes, because I can't seem to make it work on these boards that reportedly have the double hits. I know my previous exposure is not from an add-on server because I have never

Re: [PEDA] Where does Protel check or flag double hits on drills?

2001-11-21 Thread Dennis Saputelli
the DRR report flags them, but although useful it does stop reporting after some small number you have to keep running it whilst fixing to be sure they are all gone it is at the bottom of the DRR and also shows the location they do have to be exactly at the same point here is another idea (got

Re: [PEDA] Where does Protel check or flag double hits on drills?

2001-11-21 Thread Dennis Saputelli
hey Mike i think we're not busy enough! Dennis Saputelli Mike Reagan wrote: Where within Protel does it check for double drill hits? I know that sometime in the past I have had this flagged when doing a design Brad, Design Rules, Clearance rule, Add, oject kind , vias, set clearance

Re: [PEDA] Pin gate swapping

2001-11-21 Thread intellasys

Re: [PEDA] Where does Protel check or flag double hits on drills?

2001-11-21 Thread Brad Velander
Thanks Mike, This also has the problem of you have to be disciplined enough to turn it on and off reliably, herein lies the original problem. They can't understand the basic issue with why they can't stack pads or free-pads on top of one another, why would they understand (or remember) to

Re: [PEDA] SM between

2001-11-21 Thread Dennis Saputelli
what is the point below which you cannot put solder mask between smd pads that is, what have you all found is too thin a sliver of mask to fab? i'm thinking that 6-8 mils is about it and below that you have to mask out the whole area Dennis Saputelli --

Re: [PEDA] Where does Protel check or flag double hits on drills?

2001-11-21 Thread Brad Velander
Thanks Jami, that's is what I had remembered however I have to find the actual errors using that method. The board fabricator says they are there but the panel has 45 boards in it and I guess I just haven't checked the right ones yet. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat

Re: [PEDA] MS versus Linux

2001-11-21 Thread Andrew Jenkins

Re: [PEDA] Where does Protel check or flag double hits on drills?

2001-11-21 Thread Dennis Saputelli
the holes must be of the same size to be reported in the DRR i just checked it it will report a via stacked on a pad if they are the same hole size (as well as pad on pad and via on via if same hole size) Dennis Saputelli Brad Velander wrote: Brendon, I thought that Protel typically

Re: [PEDA] MS versus Linux

2001-11-21 Thread Andrew Jenkins
On 09:13 PM 11/21/2001 +1000, Don Ingram wrote: We vowed to stick with M$ to save having to deal with 'yet more different software' but since our experience with dealing with Win2K server and M$'s new direction in licensing we decided to have a look at Linux. I think that readers may be confused

Re: [PEDA] Where does Protel check or flag double hits on drills?

2001-11-21 Thread Brendon Slade
Brad, It used to be on the Protel wwwebsite but I just checked and it's no longer there. I must admit I have never used this server, I was just going on what it was intended to do. I didn't realise the drill report file reported on these double hits.I have learnt something (useful)

Re: [PEDA] Where does Protel check or flag double hits on drills?

2001-11-21 Thread Brad Velander
Dennis, yes I have been experimenting with rules just like you mention. However, it flags any via or pad that touches, doesn't matter about drill overlap. Our boards just highlight all over the place in the DRC layer color. Not much good. If you were doing regular digital/analog boards

Re: [PEDA] Where does Protel check or flag double hits on drills?

2001-11-21 Thread Mike Reagan
Brad here is the item from Protels site, dont bother with the hole detector add on, it only gives you the co ordinates, this will find them as errors 12) Item No. 2118 - Last revised 30-Jul-2001 How can I detect overlapping pad and vias on my PCB? Protel Knowledge Base Item - 2118 Logged:

Re: [PEDA] Where does Protel check or flag double hits on drills?

2001-11-21 Thread Mike Reagan
Thanks to Dennis Saputelli, we were able to detect when the double hits occurred at least while using Spectra with Protel. The only double hits I experience now are on BGAs or parts that I previously fanned out in the in a library. A simple method to identify all of them is to route with a

Re: [PEDA] Where does Protel check or flag double hits on drills?

2001-11-21 Thread Mike Reagan
Dennis, yes I have been experimenting with rules just like you mention. However, it flags any via or pad that touches, doesn't matter about drill overlap. Our boards just highlight all over the place in the DRC layer color. Not much good. If you were doing regular digital/analog boards

Re: [PEDA] How to use objects as keepouts?

2001-11-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Mr. Jenkins seems to have misunderstood the keepout attribute, as others have noted. When a primitive has the keepout attribute, it does not photoplot and it does not implement connectivity. (If someone finds an example where it does, they have found a bug.) I was unaware that there was a

Re: [PEDA] Pin gate swapping

2001-11-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:08 PM 11/21/01 -0500, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: Bring back the pin swapping! Gate swapping is not important to me for the reasons Tony mentioned. You can still pin swap, one good way, one not so good way. Good way: edit the pins to interchange the net assignments. Then run the

Re: [PEDA] Pin gate swapping

2001-11-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:50 PM 11/21/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Lomax I would hesitate to let the pcb routing dictate the FPGA configuration. What I wrote applies generally to any part where swapping is appropriate. It also works for resistor packs, where there is no problem. I do not swap anything

Re: [PEDA] Pin gate swapping

2001-11-21 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
You can still pin swap, one good way, one not so good way. Good way: edit the pins to interchange the net assignments. Then run the synchronizer preview and write the report to file (rt-click on the screen of the macro list to bring up the options). Then cancel it. Yeah, that's the way I do

Re: [PEDA] Power Plane Clearance

2001-11-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:19 PM 11/21/01 -0600, Jon Elson wrote: It seems Protel only supports round pads on inner layers. Forcing a rectangular pad onto the inner layers results in this problem. I know of no way to get a rectangular clearance on a power plane layer. Protel can pour copper around rectangular pads

Re: [PEDA] Windows XP

2001-11-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I am not the moderator of this list, and you all are free to cheerfully ignore my comment, but the legitimate point of this thread was that many of us would like to run Protel under Linux. It is not terribly relevant for our purpose which operating system is best. As we know, the OS wars would

Re: [PEDA] Reply1 MS versus Linux

2001-11-21 Thread Clive . Broome
What the heck that all means is beyond me. Im not at all interested in learning another complex operating system such as Linux or trying to sort out that stuff. Im no fan of M$ but most of there software sort of works.The idea is great for a stable easy to use OS but is Linux like that? If