Re: [PEDA] Altium Total Support Brochure

2001-12-12 Thread Tony Karavidas
Speaking of Altera, I own the same thing, but I stopped paying just before Quartus came out. What pisses me off royally is that I bought it because I was doing a Flex6024 design and the free version didn't support it. Now it does! Bastards... Do they want to sell ICs or software? It always makes

Re: [PEDA] Antwort: Altium Total Support Brochure

2001-12-12 Thread ga
You wrote on 12.12.2001 10:15:02: Bastards... Do they want to sell ICs or software? It always makes me mad. Rant off... goodnight.. Tony Both, Tony, ICs and SW. Therefore, whereever possible, I implement only devices into my designs which supply development software for free. Gisbert * *

Re: [PEDA] Antwort: Altium Total Support Brochure

2001-12-12 Thread Kathy Quinlan
Is why I use Atmel Uc's the assembler IDE is free, and a 2k limited C compiler from IAR is free too :o) Regards, Kat. /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign |K.A.Q. Electronics \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | Software

[PEDA] Keepouts DRC

2001-12-12 Thread Sean James

[PEDA] Antwort: Keepouts DRC

2001-12-12 Thread ga
Not to my knowledge, but why would you want to do that? Gisbert Auge N.A.T. GmbH Sean James

[PEDA] Connecting Power

2001-12-12 Thread SHAWN

Re: [PEDA] Antwort: Keepouts DRC

2001-12-12 Thread Emanuel Zimmermann
Maybe that you can setup design rules to allow 0 or less clearance to keepouts. During layout you have to uncheck these rules in the DRC setup to ignore them. Then check it for the DRC. But be careful, such practices are very dangerous! And, like Gisbert I'm wondering the reason for this.

Re: [PEDA] Connecting Power

2001-12-12 Thread Emanuel Zimmermann
I'm sure if this question has been asked before, but here's my suggestion: Check the library symbol of your part for - which end of the pin is the connectivity end - proper placement of the connectivity end on a grid point Or even better, redraw the symbol without any hidden pins.

Re: [PEDA] Keepouts DRC

2001-12-12 Thread Rene Tschaggelar
You can draw a track manually over a keepout line. The DRC signals a violation and you ignore it. Is that what you want ? Rene -- Ing.Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com Sean James wrote: Is there any way to ignore or bypass keepouts during a DRC? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Re: [PEDA] Connecting Power

2001-12-12 Thread Rene Tschaggelar
Forget those built in libraries. They are though for demo purposes. Draw your own. Rene -- Ing.Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com SHAWN wrote: I'm sure this question has been asked before, but here it is again: In some cases I'm unable to connect power to a chip. For example,

[PEDA] How to change Netlist lines back to solid lines?

2001-12-12 Thread Shuping Lew
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[PEDA] laptops (again), Nvidia graphics, OS recommendations

2001-12-12 Thread Buck Buchanan
Hi all, I hope you'll excuse this tired subject on the basis that A) an archive search of laptop and notebook came up almost nil (which seems odd since I know this has been discussed), and B) computers change so fast that last years thread is likely not too relevant. Ok, so I need to move my

Re: [PEDA] Connecting Power

2001-12-12 Thread Peter Bennett
SHAWN wrote: I'm sure this question has been asked before, but here it is again: In some cases I'm unable to connect power to a chip. For example, I'm trying to power the hidden VS power-type pin of a LMD18200T(11) chip with +38V. If I unhide the pin, it won't connect to a wire, and if I

Re: [PEDA] laptops (again), Nvidia graphics, OS recommendations

2001-12-12 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Lately I have been looking for a new laptop myself. My research shows: 1) They all have Windows XP - ugh! 2) Some no longer have what I consider the essential ports (parallel, serial) 3) Some require external floppy drives or CD docking stations to get software on/off them 4) Some have

[PEDA] URGENT!!!

2001-12-12 Thread Sean James

Re: [PEDA] laptops (again), Nvidia graphics, OS recommendations

2001-12-12 Thread HxEngr

Re: [PEDA] URGENT!!!

2001-12-12 Thread Anthony Whitesell
No source or seed for the polygon to attach to. The polygon is isolated from its net. Try placing a via in the region of the polygon and then double click the polygon and press return in order to get the polygon to rebuild. I have been dealing with this over the past few days. Anthony

Re: [PEDA] URGENT!!!

2001-12-12 Thread Ted Tontis
make sure that remove dead copper is not selected. Ted -Original Message- From: Sean James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:28 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] URGENT!!! What would keep a polygon pour from not forming if A. There are no keepouts.

Re: [PEDA] URGENT!!!

2001-12-12 Thread Narinder Kumar
May be there is nothing to connect No pad ) on that net in that area. Narinder - Original Message - From: Sean James [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 3:28 PM Subject: [PEDA] URGENT!!! What would keep a polygon pour from not

Re: [PEDA] URGENT!!!

2001-12-12 Thread Darryl
Perhaps the polygons have been turned off, this has caught me out when I have not had enough coffee. Tools/ Preferences/ Show/Hide -polygons 'hidden' Cheers, Darryl Harrison -Original Message- From: Sean James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:28 AM To:

Re: [PEDA] URGENT!!!

2001-12-12 Thread Brendon Slade
Has it successfully poured before now? Is it just pouring outlines? - do you have No hatching selected? Do you have minimum primitive size set to something outrageous? Just some real quick thought. HTH Brendon. - Original Message - From: Sean James [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA

Re: [PEDA] laptops (again), Nvidia graphics, OS recommendations

2001-12-12 Thread Watnoski, Michael

Re: [PEDA] SCHEM GROUPING, DOES IT WORK?

2001-12-12 Thread Wayne Bickers
I am working on a simmilar design at the moment, and it seems that if you place the components in the order that the parts were created in things seem to work happliy enough. To start with whenever I reannotated the design all the part numbers would seeming swap of their own accord, but this

Re: [PEDA] laptops (again), Nvidia graphics, OS recommendations

2001-12-12 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
laptops are available with plenty of computing power to handle protel, but screen size is a limiting factor. although you might consider 1024x768 on a 15 screen a minimum, you better be VERY sure that the higher rez screens (dell is calling them ultra xga, i believe, and they go to 1600x1200, i

Re: [PEDA] URGENT!!!

2001-12-12 Thread Patrick Adair
Insure that polygons are not hidden under the show/hide options of the display. Patrick -Original Message- From: Narinder Kumar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:45 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] URGENT!!! May be there is nothing to connect

[PEDA] Signal Analysis ?

2001-12-12 Thread Brooks,Bill
I received this question from an associate who is evaluating the Protel Software and thought I should post it to the forum. Your thoughts? Do you use the signal analysis on Protel? If so, how well does it work? We're finally getting up high enough that we've started checking

Re: [PEDA] URGENT!!!

2001-12-12 Thread Sean James
Never mind. It was a stupid rule. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: Brendon Slade [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [PEDA] Licence's

2001-12-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:29 PM 12/12/01 +1300, Simon Peacock wrote: We've been told at work that Protel will no longer allow licences to be sold only that the company can change names! Anybody else heard about this ?? or brought a legal, upgradeable licences recently ? Its important to me as I have 2 spare 16 bit

Re: [PEDA] URGENT!!!

2001-12-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:28 PM 12/12/01 -0500, Sean James wrote: What would keep a polygon pour from not forming if A. There are no keepouts. B. There are no areas present to create dead copper pours. C. I am pouring over the same net. Try turning off remove dead copper, see what you get. Dead copper is any

Re: [PEDA] Protel does not really export to Orcad Capture PROTEL TO ORCAD CAPTURE

2001-12-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:54 AM 12/12/01 +0100, Emanuel Zimmermann wrote: - Open the schematic - Under File-Menu choose Export - In the popped up sub-menu choose PCAD 2000 ASCI If that worked for me I would have already done it. The menu option is not there in my SP6 installation. It might have been there at one

Re: [PEDA] How to change Netlist lines back to solid lines?

2001-12-12 Thread Dwight
If you mean they completely disappeared, check View | Connections | Show All. The View | Connections sub-choices affect what are often called ratsnest lines -- I'm assuming that's what you are referring to. Also verify that in Design | Options | Layers, Connections is checked. Dwight.

Re: [PEDA] laptops (again), Nvidia graphics, OS recommendations

2001-12-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:51 AM 12/12/01 -0800, Buck Buchanan wrote: Ok, so I need to move my Protel99SE license to a laptop and obviously I need to match one to Protel. I'm looking for opinions of any kind - from specific model/make references to generalized recommendations (I.E.: say away from ATI graphics, such

Re: [PEDA] Keepouts DRC

2001-12-12 Thread Brad Velander
Rene others, it is timely that Sean raised this issue because I have been fighting with related issues. In my case I have a very complex board outline where I have copied the board outline to the bottom layer and made it a keepout and control my polygon outlines with respect to the board

Re: [PEDA] How to change Netlist lines back to solid lines?

2001-12-12 Thread Clive . Broome
Sounds like the connections have been turned off. You can get them back again by doing the following in PCB: View - Connections - Show All This menu also has provision to hide or view individual components nets or global nets like power/ground. Its useful when placing parts to see a less

Re: [PEDA] URGENT!!!

2001-12-12 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Hey, Abdul: If any ATS dollars are to be paid, they should be paid to you! You are better tech support for Protel than any corporate Protel tech support I've seen. In the EE dictionary, under Altium Total Support, it says see Lomax, Abd ul-Rahman. ;-) Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix

Re: [PEDA] Monitors, WAS: laptops (again), Nvidia graphics, OS recommendations

2001-12-12 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
And better than what I am running now on my desktop, except I've got a 21 inch monitor and a bigger hard drive. Me too. You gotta love those 21 inch monitors! In the spirit of mine is bigger than yours ;-) , is anyone out there using a 27 (or 25, etc.) inch monitor? I've heard of these

Re: [PEDA] How to change Netlist lines back to solid lines?

2001-12-12 Thread lloyd . good
Further to this thread, does anyone know how to set the default color of the ratsnest lines. I know how to edit them but would prefer that they came up with the color of my choice everytime they were created. Regards, Lloyd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [PEDA] URGENT!!!

2001-12-12 Thread Brad Velander
Ivan, you missed definitions 2 3 which stated, see Wilson, Ian and see Harland, Geoff respectively. Overall we have a great bunch of people on this forum and everyone deserves acknowledgement for their contributions because it definitely is much better then any technical support

Re: [PEDA] Protel does not really export to Orcad Capture PROTEL TO ORCAD CAPTURE

2001-12-12 Thread Geoff Harland
At 07:54 AM 12/12/01 +0100, Emanuel Zimmermann wrote: - Open the schematic - Under File-Menu choose Export - In the popped up sub-menu choose PCAD 2000 ASCI If that worked for me I would have already done it. The menu option is not there in my SP6 installation. It might have been there at

Re: [PEDA] URGENT!!!

2001-12-12 Thread Don Ingram
Ditto Cheers Don - Original Message - From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] URGENT!!! Hey, Abdul: If any ATS dollars are to be paid, they should be paid to you! You

Re: [PEDA] Licence's

2001-12-12 Thread Jon Elson
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: It's been about three months or so since I resold a license. I've known for quite some time that Altium was considering removing resellability. It puzzles me why they would do this, because every resold license means increased maintenance revenue. I can assure

Re: [PEDA] Altium Total Support Brochure

2001-12-12 Thread Jon Elson
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Mr. Clark emphasized that the burden of providing support for ancient versions of Protel was diverting resources from program development, and that with the ATS program, Altium would no longer be obligated to provide support without receiving corresponding revenue.

Re: [PEDA] Signal Analysis ?

2001-12-12 Thread Clive . Broome
I have used the IBIS model and SI sections for some models that an engineer here was designing for a chip. It was by no means an exhastive evaluation but the quick check I did seemed to work and give the sort of expected waveforms and ringing for the device used on a real world PCB. I used the

Re: [PEDA] Keepouts DRC

2001-12-12 Thread Dwight Harm
Some suggestions that may or may not be appropriate/helpful -- -- if the keepout is just to control polygons, maybe it'd help other problems to make it VERY thin, say .001 mil? -- somewhat similarly, if holes just need to touch the keepout (not actually overlap), then you might be able to move

[PEDA] Test...

2001-12-12 Thread Brian Guralnick
Just checking. Some of my messages didn't seem to get through today. Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * *

Re: [PEDA] URGENT!!!

2001-12-12 Thread Brian Guralnick
If you have the option -remove dead copper- on there is no access to the specified pour over same net in the area where you wish to build this polygon. This would in fact start and seem to finish building the polygon, except it disappears right at the end. Also make sure your trace clearance

[PEDA] Re Licence's

2001-12-12 Thread intellasys

Re: [PEDA] Signal Analysis ?

2001-12-12 Thread Mike Reagan
I received this question from an associate who is evaluating the Protel Software and thought I should post it to the forum. Your thoughts? Do you use the signal analysis on Protel? If so, how well does it work? We're finally getting up high enough that we've started

Re: [PEDA] Keepouts DRC

2001-12-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:27 AM 12/12/01 -0500, Sean James wrote: Is there any way to ignore or bypass keepouts during a DRC? A keepout which is ignored is not a keepout; I concur that it is dangerous to set up DRC to ignore them, assuming that you can, I haven't tried. A case in which one might be tempted to do

Re: [PEDA] Connecting Power

2001-12-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:26 AM 12/12/01 -0700, SHAWN wrote: In some cases I'm unable to connect power to a chip. For example, I'm trying to power the hidden VS power-type pin of a LMD18200T(11) chip with +38V. If I unhide the pin, it won't connect to a wire, and if I connect a VS port to a +38V port that, or

Re: [PEDA] Protel does not really export to Orcad Capture PROTEL TO ORCAD CAPTURE

2001-12-12 Thread Dennis Saputelli
i bet it had to do with your trying prerelease stuff in the SPs snipped from *various places* in my .rcs file: use and edit your rcs file at your own risk these are not contiguous sections and are in various menus but are intended to show the calls Begin MenuItem 'OrCAD

Re: [PEDA] Keepouts DRC

2001-12-12 Thread Dennis Saputelli
why not just make a bd with just those holes and give them a second drill file? Dennis Saputelli Brad Velander wrote: Rene others, it is timely that Sean raised this issue because I have been fighting with related issues. In my case I have a very complex board outline where I have

[PEDA] Test #2, Is this message getting through?

2001-12-12 Thread Brian Guralnick
Test #2, Is this message getting through? My last 3 posts are missing. Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html *

Re: [PEDA] Licence's

2001-12-12 Thread Matt Pobursky
On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:02:58 -0500, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I'm getting a bad feeling about all this, I'm afraid. Abd, You are an eternal optimist re: Protel (Altium)... ;-) I was wondering when you'd say this as it was my first reaction to the initial ATS announcement. I've been down

Re: [PEDA] Add Colour to Nets

2001-12-12 Thread Clive . Broome
I did a search on 'color'(?) in all my emails and came up with this reply from Brendon Slade.. Hi Ian To change the colour of the ratsnest (ex PCAD user?) go to the Browse PCB tab in the Document Manager panel. Click on the drop down list and select Nets. The panel immediately below

Re: [PEDA] How to change Netlist lines back to solid lines?

2001-12-12 Thread Thomas
Right click in a free of the PCB work space, select Options/Colors/ from the pop up menu, then click in the coloured box next to Connections. Tom. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 13 December 2001 10:06 AM To: Protel EDA Forum

Re: [PEDA] How to change Netlist lines back to solid lines?

2001-12-12 Thread Waldemar Kulajew
Shuping Lew schrieb: Hello, there, Does anybody know why my netlist on the PCB suddenly turned into hidden lines instead of solid lines? I did not change anything and not sure how to changed them back to solid lines again. Thanks in advance. Susan Lew Quintron Systems, Inc Hello, Maybe

Re: [PEDA] Altium Total Support Brochure

2001-12-12 Thread Tony Karavidas
Protel used to have really good support. In fact several members of this list are ex-Protel people and a few used to work in support. I used to mail them files...they would reproduct the problem...figure out a workaround or if there wasn't one, write it up for the engineers to evaluate. You