Re: [PEDA] Altium article from Australian electronic news Dec mag

2001-12-18 Thread Don Ingram
remotely engineering. IMHO, that idea su^H^H^H is less than ideal. Never fails to put a smile on the dial ;-) Cheers Don * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: *

Re: [PEDA] Altium article from Australian electronic news Dec mag

2001-12-18 Thread Don Ingram
What the h*** does organic growth mean in this context? I have a prediction: I will experience an increase in organic growth in my refridgerator over the holidays from all the uneaten leftovers. Fueled by bullsh*it... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a

Re: [PEDA] bug plotting rotated fill

2001-12-18 Thread Dave Eloranta
Leonard I had a case a few months ago that seems might be related to this unit conversion problem. I had created a donut shaped fine pitch shield made up of concentric 4mil arcs, each 8 mil radius larger than the previous arc. The two sides of the PCB had traces lined up with the spaces on the

Re: [PEDA] License number not accepted

2001-12-18 Thread Stephen Casey
As ever, my license number continues to be invalid. The UK distributor (Premier EDA) has promised (over two weeks ago) to resolve this. They are yet to come good on this promise. Are there any Protel users in the UK that can log in? Steve Casey I've tried entering my Protel 99SE license number

Re: [PEDA] License number not accepted

2001-12-18 Thread Rene Tschaggelar
It is a 9 digit number, of which '99' is known, leaving 7 digits. That makes 10^7 possibilities. It shouldn't be that hard to write a program that tries them all. Rene Stephen Casey wrote: As ever, my license number continues to be invalid. The UK distributor (Premier EDA) has promised (over

Re: [PEDA] License number not accepted

2001-12-18 Thread Stephen Casey
Rene, The problem is the matching of the number and the company details (they claim to use fuzzy logic - the whole ATS thing seems to be founded in fuzzy logic). Steve. It is a 9 digit number, of which '99' is known, leaving 7 digits. That makes 10^7 possibilities. It shouldn't be that hard

Re: [PEDA] License number not accepted

2001-12-18 Thread Rene Tschaggelar
Well, I called our distributor this morning and they gave me my number and under what name ( actually a few possible) I should be able to log in. I'm going to try it this evening. If it doesn't help, I give the polling program a try. The night phnoe fees are rather low, so a phone call of several

Re: [PEDA] License number not accepted

2001-12-18 Thread Buckley.Dave
Steve, I finally managed to log in yesterday after a few tries last week. We have 4 licenses from Premier EDA. Dave -Original Message- From: Stephen Casey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 December 2001 14:35 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] License number not accepted As

Re: [PEDA] License number not accepted

2001-12-18 Thread Andy Gulliver
No luck here either :-( I've tried using the new company name (notified to Premier a couple of months ago, I think), the old name and my name as company contact - none worked. Time to call Premier I guess... Regards Andy Gulliver -Original Message- From: Stephen Casey

Re: [PEDA] License number not accepted

2001-12-18 Thread johnsonp
How can I get out of the PEDA mail group? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Phil -Original Message- From: Buckley.Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:45 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] License number not accepted Steve, I

Re: [PEDA] License number not accepted

2001-12-18 Thread J Neale Brodie
Not as yet. I am fairly sure that Premier are attempting to sort this but, as of today, no. Both companies must have records of the license numbers so surely all it requires is an exchange of user names to synchronise one to the other. All points to real gloomy future following the

Re: [PEDA] License number not accepted

2001-12-18 Thread Steve Smith
To leave this list visit: http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:53 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] License number not accepted How can I get out

Re: [PEDA] License number not accepted

2001-12-18 Thread Andy Gulliver
I got an email from Premier recently with the following text at the bottom: This message was sent to you because you are either currently a Premier customer or have previously expressed interest in Premier products. It is our policy to respect the privacy rights of all e-mail recipients. If you

Re: [PEDA] Bring out un-connected pins

2001-12-18 Thread Shuping Lew
Thanks. Ian. -Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 4:50 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Bring out un-connected pins At 03:55 PM 17/12/01 -0800, you wrote: Hello, all. I recalled the same question was discussed

Re: [PEDA] Merging boards

2001-12-18 Thread Brad Velander
Gareth, you obviously haven't used Camtastsic to try and panelize 20+ different boards into one panel. It is a joke. I have done it, it is a process of load gerbers, merge layers, delete layers, load gerbers, merge layers, delete layers. Then there is no absolute coordinate control system

Re: [PEDA] Merging boards

2001-12-18 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Brad (and anyone else who wants to chime in): Does CAMtastic work OK when you panelize an array of the same PCB? I may want to try this sometime soon. I have used CAMtastic for basic Gerber manipulation (adding targets, etc.). It worked OK for that. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc.

Re: [PEDA] Merging boards

2001-12-18 Thread Dennis Saputelli
I don't think so, at least for my purposes, based on a quick a dirty look at it when i first got it Dennis Saputelli Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: Brad (and anyone else who wants to chime in): Does CAMtastic work OK when you panelize an array of the same PCB? I may want to try this

Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.

2001-12-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:06 PM 12/17/01 -0500, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: FCC Part 15 be blowed :-) How about those gov't regs that prevent stuff from working well? You gotta love those (NOT). I'm not expert on the subject, but as I recall, most of the thrust of the FCC regulations is toward preventing

[PEDA] Square vias

2001-12-18 Thread Sean James
I am setting up a chip wire test PCB master, and I would like to use square vias. The only way to make the existing vias square, is to select them all and convert them to free pads. Or can I substitute free pads for vias while routing? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102

Re: [PEDA] Merging boards

2001-12-18 Thread Brad Velander
Ivan, while I haven't actually done this for a singular or onesy twosy designs (note: I let the fabricators do this normally, it is their forte for production jobs). From my experience I would think that Camtastic may work quite adequately for a step and repeat type singular job. Where it

Re: [PEDA] bug plotting rotated fill

2001-12-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:52 AM 12/18/01 -0600, Dave Eloranta wrote: It would seem that Protel 9SE and Camtastic must share some unit conversion code that has a bug. I doubt that they share code. I'd be interested to look at the actual gerber generated with the arc problem that Mr. Eloranta reported. I looked on

Re: [PEDA] License number not accepted

2001-12-18 Thread Tony Karavidas
Phil, It also says how to leave at the bottom of EVERY message. Tony -Original Message- From: Steve Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 8:07 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] License number not accepted To leave this list visit:

Re: [PEDA] bug plotting rotated fill

2001-12-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:12 PM 12/17/01 -0800, Leonard Fischer wrote: If they don't, or don't quickly enough to do what you need, could you work at some multiplication/magnification of the final scale, say 10x, then just photographically reduce the Gerbers? I'm assuming there is some way to do that

Re: [PEDA] bug plotting rotated fill

2001-12-18 Thread Brad Velander
Abd ul-Rahman, have you noticed any of the rotated fills where the drawn gerber generation leaves gaps in your otherwise solid fill? Like a database that I am looking at right now which has approx. 0.5 mil gaps in the gerber draws of a Protel fill. Not pretty! Sincerely, Brad Velander.

Re: [PEDA] Bring out un-connected pins

2001-12-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:50 AM 12/18/01 +1100, Ian Wilson wrote: The only method I know of to reliably clear the DRC error created when No-Net pad connects to a No-Net track/fill is to add them to the sch so they are no longer no-nets. A pain, isn't it. Design is a pain, else they would not pay us to do it.

Re: [PEDA] Merging boards

2001-12-18 Thread Steve Baldwin
Does CAMtastic work OK when you panelize an array of the same PCB? I may want to try this sometime soon. I do that quite often and find it good for the task. I generally have two PCB files in Protel. One is the board proper and the other is the empty Array with tooling holes, etc. I Gerber

Re: [PEDA] License number not accepted

2001-12-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:37 AM 12/18/01 +1100, Geoff Harland wrote: My guess is that Altium has figured that many of the people using Protel do not have a kosher copy of this, and by providing additional documentation *solely* to those who can prove that they *are* kosher users, such users will then be at an

[PEDA] Rotated pads

2001-12-18 Thread Sean James
Why don't rotated free pads photo plot? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this

[PEDA] PCB to DXF

2001-12-18 Thread John C. Echols
I'm using Protel Autotrax 1.61 ... as soon as you stop laughing, I need some help. I have Protool pcbtodxf and it worked fine to use the files in AutoCad Release 11 to make stuffing diagrams. Now I have AutoCad Release 14 and it won't read the dxf that Protool generates - says it's invalid or

[PEDA] Menus add-ons

2001-12-18 Thread Sean James
I am willing to try available Protel add-ons, but I'm a neophyte when it comes to customizing Protel. Does any body know of a quick and painless way to create modify menus (ala AutoCAD)? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858

Re: [PEDA] PCB to DXF

2001-12-18 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
John: I have Autocad LT95 and used to use Protel v2.8. LT95 had DXF import problems. It wouldn't accept a DXF file from Protel, claiming some kind of error in the file. The workaround was to create a new blank drawing, draw a line, delete the line, THEN import the DXF. That worked fine. It

Re: [PEDA] PCB to DXF

2001-12-18 Thread Dennis Saputelli
Hi I wrote that program (and no i don't support it any longer) R14 did some funny and IMHO non-standard things, i think the older and newer versions of ACAD are more compliant send me the file off line i'll see if i can suggest a way to hack it actually now that i recollect someone who worked

Re: [PEDA] PCB to DXF

2001-12-18 Thread Dennis Saputelli
Hi I wrote that program (and no i don't support it any longer) R14 did some funny and IMHO non-standard things, i think the older and newer versions of ACAD are more compliant send me the file off line (PLEASE ZIP IT) i'll see if i can suggest a way to hack it, no guarantee and i can only spend a

Re: [PEDA] PCB to DXF

2001-12-18 Thread Steve Smith
If you do not already have Camtastic, download the 30 day free trial from http://www.camtastic.com/en/downloads/demos.asp It should be able to dxf in your old file and dxf out a R14 readable file. Steve Smith Product Engineer Staco Energy Products Co. Web Site: www.stacoenergy.com

Re: [PEDA] PCB to DXF

2001-12-18 Thread Peter Bennett
John C. Echols wrote: I'm using Protel Autotrax 1.61 ... as soon as you stop laughing, I need some help. I have Protool pcbtodxf and it worked fine to use the files in AutoCad Release 11 to make stuffing diagrams. Now I have AutoCad Release 14 and it won't read the dxf that Protool

Re: [PEDA] PCB to DXF

2001-12-18 Thread Dennis Saputelli
another idea if you have a copy is to try autosketch it's pretty cheap also maybe camtastic as i mentioned R14 got real uppity about itself Dennis Saputelli Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: John: I have Autocad LT95 and used to use Protel v2.8. LT95 had DXF import problems. It wouldn't

Re: [PEDA] Merging boards

2001-12-18 Thread Mark Richards
Ivan, I use CAMtastic to panelize designs all the time. For an array of the same PCB, it's a snap. I have also used CAMtastic for panelizing different designs together on the same panel. Luckily, I only had 2 or 3 different PCB's. I can see where it would become a nightmare to panelize more than

[PEDA] Some new user P99se questions

2001-12-18 Thread Dave . E . Lewis
Hi all, I'm a die-hard p98 user and have just starting to kick the tires of p99se. From the fiddling around I've done so far I've come across a few minor items that I hope somebody could help me out with: (1) In the PCB editor, how can I change the color for the show pads and show nets.

Re: [PEDA] Some new user P99se questions

2001-12-18 Thread lloyd . good
Dave, With regard to the first item. Which service pack are you running. I seem to remember this same issue with anything before service pack 4 or 5. I remember the PAD net text being black and hard to read. Make sure you are running at least service pack 5. There are some issues with SP6 that I

Re: [PEDA] Some new user P99se questions

2001-12-18 Thread Dave . E . Lewis
I have sp6 installed Thanks Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 12/18/2001 02:26:28 PM Please respond to Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: [PEDA] Some new user P99se questions Dave, With regard to the first item. Which service pack

Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.

2001-12-18 Thread Andrew Jenkins

Re: [PEDA] Some new user P99se questions

2001-12-18 Thread Dennis Saputelli
i put less eggs in one basket i put all the sch libs in one DDB and all the PCB libs in another DDB they load respectively with each client, don't see any down side to it, altho maybe no up side either compared to your method for a newbie i can see that this aspect is very confusing, the sch and

Re: [PEDA] License number not accepted

2001-12-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:15 PM 12/18/01 +, Andy Gulliver wrote: I got an email from Premier recently with the following text at the bottom: This message was sent to you because you are either currently a Premier customer or have previously expressed interest in Premier products. It is our policy to respect the

Re: [PEDA] Merging boards

2001-12-18 Thread Wamnet
Yea, I have some issues with camtastic as a CAM tool. I agree that a board fab would not use it since it does have some limitations. It needs to handle merging drill and gerber data from different designs a bit better. The naming gets weird and the drills never merge quite right... It also

Re: [PEDA] Can't more ref designator

2001-12-18 Thread Mike Reagan
Hi All, I just ran into a weird problem on a design I converted from PCAD. I cant move my reference designators. They seem to be locked. Has anyone seen this before? I Placed a component from my lib on the board and it behaves ok. It is only the components that are translated and

[PEDA] Measuring Length

2001-12-18 Thread Colin Weber
Folks, Could someone help me. I want to measure the length of a net on a PCB, and I cannot for the life of me, remember a way to easily do this? Regards, Colin Weber * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this

Re: [PEDA] Menus add-ons

2001-12-18 Thread Geoff Harland
I am willing to try available Protel add-ons, but I'm a neophyte when it comes to customizing Protel. Does any body know of a quick and painless way to create modify menus (ala AutoCAD)? Sean James Double-click on the menu bar, and edit the menu entries as required in the dialog box that

Re: [PEDA] Measuring Length

2001-12-18 Thread Clive . Broome
Couple of ways to do this: hit q to set imperial/metric Reports, Netlist Status to get lengths You can also set up a net class and design rule to check a number of nets(tracks) have the same length. ___ Clive Broome IDT Sydney

Re: [PEDA] Can't more ref designator

2001-12-18 Thread Dennis Saputelli
yes *i think* in protel 2.8 they had that attribute it is still honored but not settable in the new software only work around i found was to send it back to 2.8 and then re-import 98 might have it but i don't think so Dennis Saputelli Mike Reagan wrote: Hi All, I just ran into a weird

Re: [PEDA] Measuring Length

2001-12-18 Thread Colin Weber
Thanks Mike, That was all I needed to know. I can manage the menu's hot keys OK. At 09:04 PM 18/12/2001 -0500, you wrote: You have to add Measure Selected to one of your menus. I made it a Hot Key.Im not the best at describing the sequence for adding it on your menu. I remember

Re: [PEDA] Can't more ref designator

2001-12-18 Thread Brendon Slade
Mike, I have had a similar problem in the past, importing ye olde Protel DOS PCBs. To solve this, export either component attributes (all of them) or text attributes (all) - I can't remember which - to spreadsheet and you may find that all text strings (designators in particular) have had their

Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.

2001-12-18 Thread Darryl Newberry
I just bought and installed an ATI Xpert 128 (16MB) for USD $50. I'm now running dual monitors under Win2K on a Dell Optiplex GX110 (733 MHz P2) with integrated video (Intel 82810E chipset), P99SE, 256MB RDRAM. Executive summary: it rocks! I have only tested this a little, but so far no

[PEDA] Importing Tango V2.xx Files

2001-12-18 Thread Linden Doyle

Re: [PEDA] Importing Tango V2.xx Files

2001-12-18 Thread Tony Karavidas
I *think* protel 2.8 opened that version. Tony -Original Message- From: Linden Doyle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 7:10 PM To: PEDA Subject: [PEDA] Importing Tango V2.xx Files Hi all, Hopefully someone here has an answer for me. I

Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.

2001-12-18 Thread Brian Guralnick
I'm glad to hear that you are happy with my recommendation. I'm been using this combination for 2 days now and I yet to see Protel messing up the display while panning. With the G400 Dual Head, it was a bit faster than the ATI card, but occasionally I would have to do a refresh of the screen.

Re: [PEDA] Importing Tango V2.xx Files

2001-12-18 Thread Tony Karavidas
You're welcome! That's one point I've brought up here before. Why would Protel remove the ability to import a version that it could once import? If there is ANYTHING positive to say about code bloat would be to keep legacy functions around indefinately. I'm sure they didn't need the 20kB of

[PEDA] Only if you are using SBLive with win2K.

2001-12-18 Thread Brian Guralnick
Creative labs has released the true, for real, Xp Win2K drivers. It really makes a significant difference in the boot time, and, I'm no longer able to force the odd blue screen of death with these new drivers. go here, http://www.soundblaster.com/support/drivers/ You can DL just the driver

Re: [PEDA] Only if you are using SBLive with win2K.

2001-12-18 Thread Tony Karavidas
How does this relate to Protel s/w? -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 9:57 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Only if you are using SBLive with win2K. Creative labs has released the true, for real, Xp