Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer

2002-02-04 Thread Aalt Lokhorst
Hello All, Mark Richards wrote: Just a quick poll: How many of you have not yet received the tasking tools? I didn't receive it either. Last week I informed the 'Altium Sales Support Center ' in the Netherlands. They told me that they were working on it. They were promising me that I would

Re: [PEDA] Antwort: Protel Multi License Special Pricing

2002-02-04 Thread ga
According to Altium Germany the additional license fee is EUR 3875, which is significantly cheaper than 3995 US$, if you take into account the exchange rate, and it includes ATS and update to Phoenix. Sounds interesting to me. Regards, Gisbert Auge N.A.T. GmbH

Re: [PEDA] Component partition

2002-02-04 Thread Stephen Smith
I don't know if we're talking about the same thing here, but I had to design a board with push button switches, some of which had LED's, some didn't. So I created a multi-part component in the schematic, the first part was a spst switch, and the second part an LED, so pins 1 and 2 were connected

Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer

2002-02-04 Thread Stephen Casey
I live in the UK, received confirmation, but nothing else. Not too pleased with Protel or the UK dealer at the moment. Steve. -Original Message- From: Mark Richards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 03 February 2002 18:39 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Tasking Offer Hello

Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer

2002-02-04 Thread HxEngr

Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer

2002-02-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:19 AM 2/4/2002 +1100, Ian Wilson wrote: Not here either and they could practically frisbee it to me from Altium head office. So THAT explains the official Altium frisbee I got at PCB Design Conference East. They must have run out of them [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax

Re: [PEDA] Component partition

2002-02-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:10 PM 2/3/2002 -0500, Bob Wolfe wrote: You should also point out that if you are going to use alternate footprints, that if update footprints is needed to be used during synchronization to update a bunch of updated or changed footprints in a board that the system will remove any of these

[PEDA] Thermal relief

2002-02-04 Thread Andrew Ircha
More a general layout question really. Is there any point to thermal relief on vias to planes? I can understand through hold pads for a through hole component, but for just stitching a flood to a power plane I can't see the point. Regards, Andrew Ircha * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Re: [PEDA] Thermal relief

2002-02-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:51 PM 2/4/2002 +, Andrew Ircha wrote: Is there any point to thermal relief on vias to planes? I can understand through hold pads for a through hole component, but for just stitching a flood to a power plane I can't see the point. No, there is no point, though it is usually harmless.

[PEDA] Protell99SE (SP6) missing diagonal pads off gerbers (sometimes) - bug?

2002-02-04 Thread Steve Wiseman
Hi, all... something that's just bitten me on 2 boards in a row - I've got components called shunts, which are just 2-pin components designed to be a way of tying nets together without making them the same net - it's been discussed here many times. All is well, except that, when placed at

Re: [PEDA] Thermal relief

2002-02-04 Thread Mark E Witherite

[PEDA] Routing uncompleted ??

2002-02-04 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i had a 4 layer board with 2 planes and 2 layers of traces. it routed 100% but then was taking forever trying to resolve contentions. i stopped it and added two more layers for traces. its now going to 99% routing completion and stopping, with 2 connections remaining. this took under 3

Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer

2002-02-04 Thread Peter Bennett
Mark Richards wrote: Hello All, Just a quick poll: How many of you have not yet received the tasking tools? I live in Arizona, USA, and I have yet to receive the package. I did, however, receive confirmation shortly after I signed up for the offer a couple months ago. Just curious.

Re: [PEDA] Protell99SE (SP6) missing diagonal pads off gerbers (sometimes) - bug?

2002-02-04 Thread Steve Wiseman
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Andrew Ircha wrote: I assume that Viewmate is some kind of Gerber viewing package. Yep, from Lavenir - seems to be well behaved, and is free (but won't save in demo mode). It might be helpful to tell us how many of these shunts you have on the board. 30, of which 9 were

Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer

2002-02-04 Thread Marshall Edge
Another Nothing recieved here in Ontario, Canada. As others have mentioned it is a product that wouldn't get much use. Does make you wonder about the marketing motives behind this offer, considering the time frame for results! Marshall -Original Message- From: Mark Richards

Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer

2002-02-04 Thread Stephen Casey
Maybe it would be interesting to see who HAS received it? Should also require less bandwidth! Steve. -Original Message- From: Mark Richards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 03 February 2002 18:39 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Tasking Offer Hello All, Just a quick poll:

Re: [PEDA] Protell99SE (SP6) missing diagonal pads off gerbers (sometimes) - bug?

2002-02-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:26 PM 2/4/2002 +, Steve Wiseman wrote: All is well, except that, when placed at angles like 45 degrees, they don't get plotted on the gerbers. (neither the copper nor the holes in the solder resist.) Viewmate and my PCB shop agree... Protel draws rectangular pads when they are rotated.

Re: [PEDA] Component partition

2002-02-04 Thread Bob Wolfe
Dwight, Mr. Lomax pointed out and unless there is something wrong with my intsallation, it does respect a footprint in each symbol however ONLY the first and not any alternates that may be listed. If you have a symbol with more than one footprint listed try update footprints and see what ends up

Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer

2002-02-04 Thread Christopher Brand
I was wondering about this last week, so I fired off an email to Altium. This is the reply I received last thursday: Good morning. We still do not have a guaranteed date of shipment for the 8051/XA toolset. The estimated time is from 2 to 3 weeks from this point. I apologize that I can not

[PEDA] routing uncompleted II

2002-02-04 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
earlier i posted: i had a 4 layer board with 2 planes and 2 layers of traces. it routed 100% but then was taking forever trying to resolve contentions. i stopped it and added two more layers for traces. its now going to 99% routing completion and stopping, with 2 connections remaining. this

Re: [PEDA] Protell99SE (SP6) missing diagonal pads off gerbers (sometimes) - bug?

2002-02-04 Thread Steve Wiseman
Now, to the present problem. Here is what I suggest. Create a board file with just one of the pads in question. Plot it. Copy the gerber code into a mail to the list. Describe the pad's characteristics fully, also anything which might be relevant from the gerber setups. Unfortunately,

Re: [PEDA] routing uncompleted II

2002-02-04 Thread Dennis Saputelli
we generally have a few unrouted and generally they are surprisingly easy to put in Dennis Saputelli Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: earlier i posted: i had a 4 layer board with 2 planes and 2 layers of traces. it routed 100% but then was taking forever trying to resolve contentions. i

Re: [PEDA] Component partition

2002-02-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:40 AM 2/4/2002 -0500, Bob Wolfe wrote: Dwight, Mr. Lomax pointed out and unless there is something wrong with my intsallation, it does respect a footprint in each symbol however ONLY the first and not any alternates that may be listed. I just spent a fair amount of time attempting to

Re: [PEDA] Protell99SE (SP6) missing diagonal pads off gerbers (sometimes) - bug?

2002-02-04 Thread Sean James
I have parts on a few of my boards that are rotated at 45 degrees. If I use round pads, they photoplot OK. When I tried rectangualr pads, they were drawn with a spiral pattern that looked like a rectangular pad. If you can live with round pads on your parts, then use them. (BTW - Accel didn't

Re: [PEDA] Protell99SE (SP6) missing diagonal pads off gerbers (sometimes) - bug?

2002-02-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:27 PM 2/4/2002 +, Steve Wiseman wrote: Ah - an update. Copy paste failed, but cut paste worked. I've now got a small PCB that shows the behaviour. Any takers for a .pcb and .GBL? Sure [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Re: [PEDA] Protell99SE (SP6) missing diagonal pads off gerbers (sometimes) - bug?

2002-02-04 Thread Steve Wiseman
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Sean James wrote: I have parts on a few of my boards that are rotated at 45 degrees. If I use round pads, they photoplot OK. When I tried rectangualr pads, they were drawn with a spiral pattern that looked like a rectangular pad. If you can live with round pads on your

Re: [PEDA] routing uncompleted II

2002-02-04 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
Dennis Saputelli said: we generally have a few unrouted and generally they are surprisingly easy to put in. *** thanks dennis, i did a design rules check and i had 15 shorts and 15 corresponding clearance constraints. scared me good! i looked at some of the problems and

Re: [PEDA] Protell99SE (SP6) missing diagonal pads off gerbers (sometimes) - bug?

2002-02-04 Thread Frank Gilley
Ah - an update. Copy paste failed, but cut paste worked. I've now got a small PCB that shows the behaviour. Any takers for a .pcb and .GBL? Steve I'd be very interested in taking a look at this if you don't mind sending 'em to me. I use shunts all the time. Thanks, Frank Frank Gilley

Re: [PEDA] Component partition

2002-02-04 Thread Bob Wolfe
Yes, We did talk about this a bit back. I am talking about the footprint field or fields in a symbol, ie the list you can edit to define a footprint or footprints you would like to appear on a board for that symbol. In symbol under description there are 4 fields Footprint 1-4 Like you said if

Re: [PEDA] [PrU] Protel 99 PCB file format?

2002-02-04 Thread Ian Wilson
Originally posted on the [PrU] yahoo group, copied to PEDA as there may be some comments here as well... On 05:49 PM 4/02/2002 +, mwerle said: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:27 PM 2/4/2002 +, mwerle wrote: Hi everyone, I'm trying to

Re: [PEDA] Component partition

2002-02-04 Thread Jon Elson
Tony Karavidas wrote: Here's one to ponder: I have a schematic that uses an array of SPST switches and LEDs. On the PCB, I want to potentially keeps these as integrated parts, or possibly as separate LEDs and switches. How can I draw one schematic and still have the flexibility to use

[PEDA] Bob Wolfe's Update Issue (Ex: Component partition)

2002-02-04 Thread Ian Wilson
On 11:40 AM 4/02/2002 -0500, Bob Wolfe said: Dwight, Mr. Lomax pointed out and unless there is something wrong with my intsallation, it does respect a footprint in each symbol however ONLY the first and not any alternates that may be listed. If you have a symbol with more than one footprint

[PEDA] Meetings

2002-02-04 Thread Sean James
Sorry I haven't gotten around to the subject at hand- I've been keeping the mouse wheels burning. The building that I work in has a restaurant that may accomodate us for a meeting in Worcester. Let me know how many would like to attend and a date to meet. I'll set things up at the restaurant and

Re: [PEDA] Protell99SE (SP6) missing diagonal pads off gerbers (sometimes) - bug?

2002-02-04 Thread Jon Elson
From: Steve Wiseman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ah - an update. Copy paste failed, but cut paste worked. I've now got a small PCB that shows the behaviour. Any takers for a .pcb and .GBL? You should open a new PCB file, and import the gerbers to it. Then, take a look at the pads in question.

Re: [PEDA] Bob Wolfe's Update Issue (Ex: Component partition)

2002-02-04 Thread Bob Wolfe
Ian, Thanks for the response, and I thought I was being helpful to the guy who originally posted on this thread if he chose to use another footprint from that in a library symbol, but I guess that is not the case as I am the only one seeing this as a problem from what I read. It sounded to me

Re: [PEDA] Protell99SE (SP6) missing diagonal pads off gerbers (sometimes) - bug?

2002-02-04 Thread Steve Wiseman
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Jon Elson wrote: You should open a new PCB file, and import the gerbers to it. Then, take a look at the pads in question. Just done it - and no, no pads. It's definitely a problem within Protel, (but easier to visualise in a gerber viewer which can display pads tracks in

Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer

2002-02-04 Thread Don Ingram
On principle we never applied for it. While the Engineer in me was curious, we don't use 8051's ( not for 10 years or more). To apply accept the trinket was to grant tacit approval to the ATS system, which we most certainly do not. YMMV Cheers Don Mark Richards wrote: Hello All, Just a

Re: [PEDA] Thermal relief

2002-02-04 Thread Colin Weber
The only case I have done this for is a BGA: I found a fab drawing note in an email on the Technet users group: THE VIA HOLES BENEATH THE BGA AREAS MUST BE PLUGGED SUCH THAT IT WILL NOT CAUSE SOLDER DRAIN DURING SOLDERING I was talking with another designer, Phil Dutton, and he aslo

Re: [PEDA] Bob Wolfe's Update Issue (Ex: Component partition)

2002-02-04 Thread Dwight
AHHH! Bob - I think I see what you're doing different! Please confirm... You are changing the footprint in the PCB, NOT in the SCH. Then the next time you run synchronize from SCH to PCB, it tries to put it back. If you change the PCB, you must either back-annotate, or manually change the SCH

Re: [PEDA] Component partition

2002-02-04 Thread Ian Wilson
On 02:11 PM 4/02/2002 -0500, Bob Wolfe said: Yes, We did talk about this a bit back. I am talking about the footprint field or fields in a symbol, ie the list you can edit to define a footprint or footprints you would like to appear on a board for that symbol. In symbol under description there

Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer

2002-02-04 Thread Steve Smith
Ditto here Steve Smith Product Engineer Staco Energy Products Co. Web Site: www.stacoenergy.com -Original Message- From: Don Ingram [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 4:32 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer On principle we never

Re: [PEDA] Protell99SE (SP6) missing diagonal pads off gerbers (sometimes) - bug?

2002-02-04 Thread Dwight
In US, [EMAIL PROTECTED] works, I think, or 1-800-544-4186. I've gotten pretty good responses the 2 or 3 times I've contacted them in the last few months. (You're mileage may vary!) -Original Message- From: Steve Wiseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steve Wiseman Sent:

Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer

2002-02-04 Thread Ian Wilson
On 07:32 PM 4/02/2002 +1000, Don Ingram said: On principle we never applied for it. While the Engineer in me was curious, we don't use 8051's ( not for 10 years or more). To apply accept the trinket was to grant tacit approval to the ATS system, which we most certainly do not. YMMV Don I am

Re: [PEDA] routing uncompleted II

2002-02-04 Thread Dwight
Well, if you stop an autoroute session, and then re-started it without unrouting what it did, and you have lock all pre-routes checked, then it's possible that would happen. When you do a Tools | Unroute | All, you get a prompt for including locked primitives. If you say Yes, it SHOULD get rid

[PEDA] autoroute endless loop...

2002-02-04 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, for the first time i've attempted to lock down some pre-laid traces and then have the autorouter finish the job. i believe that i've followed the directions on p.576-577 of the protel99 design book by clicking one of the laid traces, locking it, and then extending that to all the traces

Re: [PEDA] routing uncompleted II

2002-02-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:33 PM 2/4/2002 -0500, Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: i did a design rules check and i had 15 shorts and 15 corresponding clearance constraints. scared me good! i looked at some of the problems and there were vias and traces with no net. i was clueless. This is what happens when the

Re: [PEDA] Bob Wolfe's Update Issue (Ex: Component partition)

2002-02-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:47 AM 2/5/2002 +1100, Ian Wilson wrote: I am happy to do this but international long distance phone costs would apply (I'm in Oz) - maybe there is another user nearby that could do this? Of course, I'm just a short way down the road, I forget how far, maybe an hour's drive from Mr.

Re: [PEDA] Component partition

2002-02-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:11 PM 2/4/2002 -0500, Bob Wolfe wrote: I am talking about the footprint field or fields in a symbol, ie the list you can edit to define a footprint or footprints you would like to appear on a board for that symbol. In symbol under description there are 4 fields Footprint 1-4 Like you said

Re: [PEDA] Protell99SE (SP6) missing diagonal pads off gerbers (sometimes) - bug?

2002-02-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:30 PM 2/4/2002 +, Steve Wiseman wrote: I'm not sure if you import check your gerbers, looking for features that have been rendered wrongly... It's not something I'm prepared to do. (this board reports as 20,000 tracks, 4019 pads, and I'm looking for a defect 8 thou by 6 - it's quicker

Re: [PEDA] Thermal relief

2002-02-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:34 AM 2/5/2002 +1100, Colin Weber wrote: I was talking with another designer, Phil Dutton, and he aslo recommended the Power Connections Relieved. Make sure that your Power connections are relieved, or they will cool down faster than the rest of the device, inducing stresses. That is

Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer

2002-02-04 Thread Matt . VanDeWerken
-Original Message- From: Christopher Brand [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2002 2:59 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer I was wondering about this last week, so I fired off an email to Altium. This is the reply I received last

Re: [PEDA] Protell99SE (SP6) missing diagonal pads off gerbers (sometimes) - bug?

2002-02-04 Thread Steve Wiseman
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: That's a very small pad, this could be related to the problem. indeed, but being very small isn't a crime... I guess it could be that the pad needs to be rendered with a 1.5 thou track, which might get rounded down to zero (although there's no

Re: [PEDA] Protell99SE (SP6) missing diagonal pads off gerbers (sometimes) - bug?

2002-02-04 Thread Ian Capps
Steve If you wish send a sample this way. Ian Capps - Original Message - From: Steve Wiseman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 3:27 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protell99SE (SP6) missing diagonal pads off gerbers (sometimes) - bug?

Re: [PEDA] Thermal relief

2002-02-04 Thread Colin Weber
Yes, but the power connections are made through the Vias are they not? There are over 100 ground and 3.3V/2.5V balls that connect to internal planes through Vias. At least for this particular BGA. Therefore, wouldn't the thermal effects still be relevant in this case? At 06:10 PM 4/02/2002

Re: [PEDA] Protell99SE (SP6) missing diagonal pads off gerbers (sometimes) - bug?

2002-02-04 Thread Jon Elson
Steve Wiseman wrote: On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Jon Elson wrote: You should open a new PCB file, and import the gerbers to it. Then, take a look at the pads in question. Just done it - and no, no pads. It's definitely a problem within Protel, (but easier to visualise in a gerber viewer which

Re: [PEDA] Protell99SE (SP6) missing diagonal pads off gerbers (sometimes) - bug?

2002-02-04 Thread Steve Wiseman
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Jon Elson wrote: I think there is a report bugs email address or link on their web site. Yeah, I just couldn't get to www.protel.com this morning... Ho hum... Well, I DO check them this way. I certainly DON'T check EVERY track and pad, just look for wierd stuff, like 1

Re: [PEDA] autoroute endless loop...

2002-02-04 Thread Dwight
Those are old instructions. It should work (and does for me) if you just check the box in Autoroute | Setup for lock all pre-routes. If you later do Tools | Unroute | All, be sure to choose No for unrouting locked primitives. Does the board pass DRC completely (with unrouted nets un-checked)

Re: [PEDA] Protel 99 PCB file format?

2002-02-04 Thread Geoff Harland
snip The SDK will be of some use as you can map values seen in the ASCII file to ranges for the various types (whose values are not given in the SDK documentation but can be found either by browsing the SDK files or by a process of experimentation. Rant on Note that the SDK is covered by

Re: [PEDA] Thermal relief / BGA questions (and a thank you!)

2002-02-04 Thread Matt Polak
At 11:09 AM 2/5/2002 +1100, you wrote: Yes, but the power connections are made through the Vias are they not? There are over 100 ground and 3.3V/2.5V balls that connect to internal planes through Vias. At least for this particular BGA. Therefore, wouldn't the thermal effects still be relevant in

[PEDA] Polygons

2002-02-04 Thread Wayne Trow
Hi all Quicky... Can you do a global change on polygons? Wayne Trow PCB Design Technician Gallagher Group LTD Hamilton NEW ZEALAND [p] +64 7 838 9800 ext 8737 [f] +64 7 838 9801 [e] [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message:

Re: [PEDA] Bob Wolfe's Update Issue (Ex: Component partition)

2002-02-04 Thread Bob Wolfe
Well Dwight, Not quite. I really am defining what footprints could be used for a particular symbol in that symbol and wish the system would respect that. Even after a footprint update. Being that those footprints where in fact listed for that symbol. But as was pointed out that list is

Re: [PEDA] Polygons

2002-02-04 Thread Thomas
It depends what you want to do. You can unlock the polygon primitives and do a global edit on any of the tracks that make up the polygon. -Original Message- From: Wayne Trow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2002 1:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA]

Re: [PEDA] Thermal relief / BGA questions (and a thank you!)

2002-02-04 Thread Dennis Saputelli
to put the via in the BGA pad is feasible but it must be a micro via (otherwise there are paste problems with bigger vias in pad) these are about 2 mils in dia the ones i have investigated are laser fab'd and as such only go to the layer directly below where you put a blind or buried via to

Re: [PEDA] Polygons

2002-02-04 Thread Wayne Trow
What I want to do is change to track width and grid spacing globally. But considering its within the dialog box of the polygon I would say that its not possible. Thanks anyway Wayne Trow PCB Design Technician Gallagher Group LTD Hamilton NEW ZEALAND [p] +64 7 838 9800 ext 8737 [f] +64 7 838

[PEDA] Document Options

2002-02-04 Thread Afshin Salehi
Hi all, Is it possible to change the Title, No. and Revision on a global basis rather than sheet by sheet? I have never seen a global setting for this but I know that entering that data 20 times for a 20 sheet schematic can't be what protel intended :) Afshin Salehi DPS Telecom * * *

Re: [PEDA] Polygons

2002-02-04 Thread Thomas
There is a 'redraw all polygons' server written by one of this groups members (I think). Perhaps it could be altered to accomplish your request. -Original Message- From: Wayne Trow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2002 2:15 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re:

Re: [PEDA] Cursors

2002-02-04 Thread Geoff Harland
Nice one Geoff, I usually use the large 90 but the small 45 cursor will also come in very handy now that I have your select cursor sever set up on a hot key. Thanks. Thomas I'm glad to hear you appreciate my efforts. I've had a bit of feedback to date on the Servers I've released, but I've