[PEDA] Re[2]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread ElectronTrade (info)
Hi All, RT Not really. This 3D stuff comes at the price that I'd RT have to edit the part library for 3D. Since I consider RT the gain of a 3D view as being rather limited, I'm not RT looking forward to it. Please visit www.qualecad.com They have plug-in for 3D view of pcb in Protel. But their

[PEDA] Antwort: Fun with PLD 99

2002-02-07 Thread ga
Hi Jeff, I know this might be of little help, but you should seriously think about changing PLD development tools. You got the Altera tools, so why don't you use them? There sure is a reason for most of us Protel users, as far as I know, not to use the PLD tools from Protel. MAX Plus is

Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Waldemar Kulajew
ElectronTrade (info) schrieb: --snipp -- Please visit www.qualecad.com They have plug-in for 3D view of pcb in Protel. But their module can load 3D models created in Solidworks. I don't use it really but I tested it a few months ago. It work very good. I was waiting for the 3D tool to.

Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Rene Tschaggelar
Looks nice. But what use is there ? From a prototype that has been tested I can make a shot with a digital camera. This image is then used for fabrication and documentation. I realize there might be advantages when working with very bulky parts, assuming collisions are visible. But with TQFP and

[PEDA] pin swapping

2002-02-07 Thread robi artwork

[PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Waldemar Kulajew
Looks nice. But what use is there ? From a prototype that has been tested I can make a shot with a digital camera. This image is then used for fabrication and documentation. I realize there might be advantages when working with very bulky parts, assuming collisions are visible. But with

Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread robi artwork

Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread J Neale Brodie
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 at 10:21:47, Waldemar Kulajew wrote:- ElectronTrade (info) schrieb: --snipp -- Please visit www.qualecad.com They have plug-in for 3D view of pcb in Protel. But their module can load 3D models created in Solidworks. I don't use it really but I tested it a few months ago.

[PEDA] Win2000

2002-02-07 Thread Sean James
How well does Protel 99SE w/SP 6 work with Win2000? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * *

Re: [PEDA] Win2000

2002-02-07 Thread Leonard Fischer
Really well - they go together like bears and honey! Len Fischer Trax Softworks -Original Message- From: Sean James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 7:07 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Win2000 How well does Protel 99SE w/SP 6 work with Win2000?

Re: [PEDA] Win2000

2002-02-07 Thread Jeff Adolphs
I had some real problems - but it was a bad RAM card. Now Protel 99SE w/SP6 is running fantastic on Win2000. Note: I do mixed analog/digital 2 layer, 4 layer boards and do not use Autorouting or Simulation software. Even the crappy Compaq IPAQ with Intel Celeron processor is running all my

Re: [PEDA] Win2000

2002-02-07 Thread Stephen Casey
How well does Protel 99SE w/SP 6 work with Win2000? Very well indeed. I rarely have problems, and reboots are rare - With Win 9x/ME type o/s's reboots were frequently required (2000 has much better resource management). I've been using Protel under Windows 2000 for a long time, and I've never

Re: [PEDA] Win2000

2002-02-07 Thread Richard Sumner
It doesn't crash. At 10:07 AM 2/7/2002 -0500, you wrote: How well does Protel 99SE w/SP 6 work with Win2000? Cheesecote Mountain CAMAC, 24 Halley Drive; Pomona, NY 10970 voice: 845 364 0211, fax: 845 362 6947, www.cmcamac.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To

[PEDA] SV: Win2000

2002-02-07 Thread Peder K. Hellegaard
What is PowerCerv ?? Peder -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jeff Adolphs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 7. februar 2002 16:28 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] Win2000 I had some real problems - but it was a bad RAM card. Now Protel 99SE w/SP6 is running fantastic on

[PEDA] Compaq and Intel WAS: Win2000

2002-02-07 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
IMO: Intel Celeron is OK. Compaq is awful. I have at home a white box PC with a Celeron 466 - it works great. Runs W98se and Suse Linux 7.3 dual-boot. I use it for digital photo editing/printing, audio editing, jukebox, web surfing, and games. Plays MP3s, 3D games just fine. I had (note the

Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread lloyd . good
Robi et al, While I agree that the Protel 3D viewer is absolutely useless, we have been using the 3D utility from Desktop-EDA to export into Solidworks. In Solidworks we assembly products with multiple PCBs, design the plastics/metal works, add overlays and create AVI's of the whole assembly, so

Re: [PEDA] SV: Win2000

2002-02-07 Thread Jeff Adolphs
PowerCerv is a big pig of a software program for ERP. I use it to do ECO's, BOM's, PO requisitions, etc. Their words: PowerCerv develops and delivers a fully integrated suite of e-business, Customer Relationship Management (CRM) and Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) applications designed to

Re: [PEDA] Compaq and Intel WAS: Win2000

2002-02-07 Thread Jeff Adolphs
Ivan, Thanks for the advice! I definitely plan on insisting on a Dell next time ( I shouldn't have been so desperate for hardware to take anything). I plan on building a white box for my next home computer with all the internet advice like www.directron.com, www.amd.com, www.pricewatch.com, is

Re: [PEDA] Win2000

2002-02-07 Thread HxEngr

Re: [PEDA] SV: Win2000

2002-02-07 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Jeff: I like your description of it better. With yours, I can understand what the software is for. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Jeff Adolphs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday,

[PEDA] Removing virtual tracks

2002-02-07 Thread Bryn Wolfe
I've got a track on my PCB that has zero size that I'm having trouble deleting from the board. It's the result of accidentally grabbing one end of a track and placing it at the same location as the other end of the track. The ratsnest shows the connectivity but it isn't selectable and thus,

Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Brad Velander
Hi Lloyd, your comments are very true for the Desktop-EDA package. However I think some of the points expressed were misunderstood. The 'Protel' viewer is a toy with virtually no useful purpose. Protel needs to align themselves with the industry and develop a true 3D mechanical interface

Re: [PEDA] Removing virtual tracks

2002-02-07 Thread Phil Stevens
I've got a track on my PCB that has zero size that I'm having trouble deleting from the board. It's the result of accidentally grabbing one end of a track and placing it at the same location as the other end of the track. The ratsnest shows the connectivity but it isn't selectable and

Re: [PEDA] Removing virtual tracks

2002-02-07 Thread Jason Morgan
If its assigned to a net, and it must be if its got a ratnest:- XA to un-select all. use the net browse box to select the offding net by double clicking on the net name and checking the selected box. then shift delete delete to delete selected items. -Original Message- From: Bryn Wolfe

Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread lloyd . good
Brad, I understand the sentiment of the Protel viewer by others in the forum. I suppose the point that I am trying to make it that Protel is an EDA tool not a 3D CAD package. I don't expect it to be. I use it for what it is intended, not for what is not intended. Ergo, I use the 3D export utility

Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:49 PM 2/7/2002 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Protel is an EDA package, don't expect it to do your mechanical work. Certainly it is not necessary for Protel to do what a true 3-D drafting package would do. However, meeting the problems of fitting parts on a PCB, which is a very limited

Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Mike Reagan
Very well stated LLoyd! Brad, I understand the sentiment of the Protel viewer by others in the forum. I suppose the point that I am trying to make it that Protel is an EDA tool not a 3D CAD package. I don't expect it to be. I use it for what it is intended, not for what is not intended.

Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread lloyd . good
Many users will not want to have to convert all their libraries to include 3-D information This is my point exactly. Some PCB designers have no interest in the 3D world, so let's not create a proverbial white elephant inside of Protel. The functionality you request would add cost, or possibly

Re: [PEDA] Win2000

2002-02-07 Thread Wayne Trow
Ive just had IS upgrade my pc to win2k and Protel, over the small period that ive been using win2k, seems to work just as good as my previous OS - WinNT4. Other people may have different opinions though. Wayne Trow PCB Design Technician Gallagher Group LTD Hamilton NEW ZEALAND [p] +64 7 838

Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Bob Wolfe
Lloyd, I would whole heartily agree with you. There was a CAD system VeriBest that was based on Bentley's MicroStation and therefor needed it to run, there was two editors the PCB side and the drafting side, and yes one could say that there was great power in that combination, however the PCB

Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Ted Tontis
In the 50's there was a car that was also a boat. You could drive it on both land and water. I just thought it was kind of ironic that you used that particular one.:) Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 12:56 PM

Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Fred A Rupinski
I wish that the viewer did provide an accurate, pretty picture (as implied below). A comprehensive, easy to use 3D Viewer certainly DOES have value for those of us who need to generate proposals and reports. Yes, one pretty picture is still worth a thousand words. Many clients are swayed if they

[PEDA] protel schematic question..

2002-02-07 Thread rimas
quick question about creating schematic library parts. i generally like to place the pins first and then place a rectangle that encompasses them. however when i do this, the fill color of the rectangle covers the text identifying the pin. if i place the rectangle first and then place pins

Re: [PEDA] protel schematic question..

2002-02-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
2 things there is EDIT MOVE 'send to back' i have been making new parts with no fill, saves a lot of yellow ink, also makes more faxable Dennis Saputelli rimas wrote: quick question about creating schematic library parts. i generally like to place the pins first and then place a rectangle

Re: [PEDA] protel schematic question..

2002-02-07 Thread HxEngr

Re: [PEDA] protel schematic question..

2002-02-07 Thread Ted Tontis
use the select all option, deselect the fill, cut the pins, and then paste them back. Just make sure that when you paste them the curser has not moved, or you will place them off the fill. remember to deselect all after you pasted the pins back on. Regards, Ted -Original Message-

Re: [PEDA] protel schematic question..

2002-02-07 Thread Tony Karavidas
There is a menu option called move to back Fine that and click on your rectangle. It will move it behind the pins. Tony Karavidas Encore Electronics http://www.EncoreElectronics.com Designers of The best MIDI to CV converter on the planet. -Keyboard Oct. 1997 -Original Message-

Re: [PEDA] Dual monitor

2002-02-07 Thread Tony Karavidas
I've been running dual monitors for about a month now with a Gainward Geforce2 MX400 card. I like it, but I can't stand the fact that all dialog boxes come up right between my two monitors. Does anyone have dual monitors with a card that provides some offset or control of where dialog boxes pop

Re: [PEDA] protel schematic question..

2002-02-07 Thread Tony Karavidas
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Re: [PEDA] Dual monitor

2002-02-07 Thread Greg Olson
The Matrox G550 software has a tab called PowerDesk which has check boxes to center dialog boxes in one of the following: Parent program window Mouse pointer display Parent program display Display 1 or 2 Some pop-ups still show up between the monitors like the Print Messenger and the Log-In

Re: [PEDA] Win2000

2002-02-07 Thread Jon Elson
Sean James wrote: How well does Protel 99SE w/SP 6 work with Win2000? Beautifully. No probelms at all! Jon * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: *

Re: [PEDA] Removing virtual tracks

2002-02-07 Thread Jon Elson
Bryn Wolfe wrote: I've got a track on my PCB that has zero size that I'm having trouble deleting from the board. It's the result of accidentally grabbing one end of a track and placing it at the same location as the other end of the track. The ratsnest shows the connectivity but it isn't

Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:28 PM 2/7/2002 +1000, robi artwork wrote: I don't see a 3D Viewer as a must - If you do you homework - properly It seems to me more of a laziness of the engineer to look after the height restictions. This, I will note, was an offensive comment. Laziness is perjorative; if we look at

Re: [PEDA] Win2000

2002-02-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Summary of topic and recommendation: If you are running Protel 99SE on anything other than Windows 2000, get a W2000 license and install it and use it. It may be a good time to upgrade your computer, since W2000 installs much more easily on a fresh system than as an upgrade. I tried to

Re: [PEDA] Compaq and Intel WAS: Win2000

2002-02-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:21 AM 2/7/2002 -0500, Jeff Adolphs wrote: I plan on building a white box for my next home computer with all the internet advice like www.directron.com, www.amd.com, www.pricewatch.com, is should be easy to build up a system without monitor and keypad board for around $400 (AMD processor

Re: [PEDA] Dual monitor

2002-02-07 Thread Tony Karavidas
THANK YOU -Original Message- From: Greg Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 12:24 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Dual monitor The Matrox G550 software has a tab called PowerDesk which has check boxes to center dialog boxes in

Re: [PEDA] Removing virtual tracks

2002-02-07 Thread Jenkins, Charlie
I have not tried this but select any track and then do a global to select if the track width matches 0. Then only the 0 width stuff will be selected. Ctrl Delete kills it. Add a net name to the selection criteria if you want but I would figure you want to kill any zero width tracks regardless

Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:56 PM 2/7/2002 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many users will not want to have to convert all their libraries to include 3-D information This is my point exactly. Some PCB designers have no interest in the 3D world, so let's not create a proverbial white elephant inside of Protel. Lloyd

Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
While a viewer could be useful, the real prize is interference checking. It's just that the same information could be used for both, i.e., if you do one, it is not that much more to do both. I'd consider the viewer the more difficult one, and much of that work is, as I noted, already done. As

Re: [PEDA] Removing virtual tracks

2002-02-07 Thread Jim McGrath
Bryn, Lots of good ideas are getting posted on this one, I was wondering can you draw a track with the same characteristics somewhere you can easily get at it and select it with global? Then you should be able to delete it and the offending track. Just a thought. Jim McGrath CAD Connections,

[PEDA] Lazy: Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Jeff Adolphs
once upon a time there were 5 technicians. Two technicians were so lazy (one was me) we learned computers and layout software instead of red blue tape only. What happened to the three industrious red blue tape technicians: one moved to manufacturing (assembly and test), the other two were laid

Re: [PEDA] Win2000

2002-02-07 Thread Tony Karavidas
Just as a side note: a buddy of mine told me yesterday that Orcad doesn't even load on XP. That is version 7.x, and they are at 9.x now, but it works fine on Win2K. -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:38 AM

[PEDA] Accel V14 PCB and SCH

2002-02-07 Thread Martin Schüler
Hello, we are working together with a company which is using Accel V13 V14. I read in this list quit a lot about Tango being imported via PCAD (Accel), but the offered reader claims to import Accel V15 ASCII only. Is there a solution to convert those, most important would be the way to Protel

Re: [PEDA] Setting component clearance rules

2002-02-07 Thread Jenkins, Charlie
Ian, I'm not sure if your suggestion of vertical clearance is endorsed or just some of that famous UK wit. Your example is one of the few times this would be helpful. Through hole on top of SMT. Other combinations would drive the test and inspection guys nuts (bonkers?). I too have the

Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread lloyd . good
Mr Lomax, I don't believe that I missed your point at all, I just don't agree. There is no such thing as a simple 3D model. If all you want is simple height, you might want to follow Robi's advice and calculate the separations with a pencil and paper. If you need interference checking as you

Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Jon Elson
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 01:56 PM 2/7/2002 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many users will not want to have to convert all their libraries to include 3-D information This is my point exactly. Some PCB designers have no interest in the 3D world, so let's not create a proverbial white

Re: [PEDA] Dual monitor

2002-02-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:24 PM 2/7/2002 -0600, Greg Olson wrote: The Matrox G550 software has a tab called PowerDesk which has check boxes to center dialog boxes in one of the following: thank you, thank you, thank you. I've got a Matrox G450 and it took some looking and I had to install Matrox Quickdesk and

Re: [PEDA] Thermal relief / Tenting

2002-02-07 Thread Colin Weber
Thanks for the clarification Phil. Sorry if I misquoted you. That wasn't my intention. Just to raise a debate. That worked :-) Does the approach you take differ for SMD or NSMD pads, or is their little difference for the case you cited below? Also, as a side issue, what success/spec have you

Re: [PEDA] Win2000

2002-02-07 Thread Andrew Jenkins

[PEDA] openinig any 99se schematic crashes system

2002-02-07 Thread Cobbe,John
Hi all I've been using protel since ver 2.8 and this is a first for me I suddenly find that attempting to open any schematic or project immediately dumps me back to the desktop. PCB runs fine I have re-loaded the schematic server twice with my original custom settings, and the defaults to no

Re: [PEDA] Dual monitor

2002-02-07 Thread Tony Karavidas
I just wrote Nvidia and Matrox, and was surprised they both wrote back within an hour! I got some good news from Nvidia: http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=feature_nview They will soon support what Matrox already supports, however the Nvidia parts are way faster. Tony -Original

Re: [PEDA] Accel V14 PCB and SCH

2002-02-07 Thread Jon Elson
Martin Schüler wrote: Hello, we are working together with a company which is using Accel V13 V14. I read in this list quit a lot about Tango being imported via PCAD (Accel), but the offered reader claims to import Accel V15 ASCII only. Is there a solution to convert those, most important

[PEDA] View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Bill Hart
I'm sure that many of us that are infrequent PCB eda users don't want someone who has all the CAD tools available saying that a reasonably good printable rendering of a PCB in mid concept - or finished, would not be a useful tool. I have an older version(12) of AutoCAD the gets me by, but

Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Andrew Jenkins
On 01:56 PM 2/7/2002 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many users will not want to have to convert all their libraries to include 3-D information This is my point exactly. Some PCB designers have no interest in the 3D world, so let's not create a proverbial white elephant inside of Protel. Yes,

Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread robi artwork

[PEDA] Protel on XP [was: Win2000]

2002-02-07 Thread Darryl Newberry
We have been using Protel 99SE SP6 on a Dell Dimension 1.7G, XP Pro, with no performance or stability problems for about 2 weeks now. Solid! We are also sharing the DDB from the Dell, no problems except the remote Win2000 station has to open the DDB first. Don't know if this is OS related.

Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Andrew Jenkins
On 05:09 PM 2/7/2002 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr Lomax, I don't believe that I missed your point at all, I just don't agree. There is no such thing as a simple 3D model. If all you want is simple height, you might want to follow Robi's advice and calculate the separations with a pencil and

Re: [PEDA] Removing virtual tracks

2002-02-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:01 PM 2/7/2002 -0500, Jenkins, Charlie wrote: I have not tried this but select any track and then do a global to select if the track width matches 0. Then only the 0 width stuff will be selected. The track in this case was zero length, not zero width. Global edit will not catch this.

Re: [PEDA] Lazy: Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:21 PM 2/7/2002 -0500, Jeff Adolphs wrote: Two technicians were so lazy (one was me) we learned computers and layout software instead of red blue tape only. Red and blue tape was an idea that should have been canned before it was ever implemented. All that work just to avoid using

[PEDA] Server Package options

2002-02-07 Thread Thomas
As per your suggestion aj I have posted this to the PEDA forum as well. My reason for posting to the OT forum was to try and keep the s/n ratio of the PEDA forum down. I will send an email to Protel asking about this. Tom. On 11:37 AM 2/8/2002 +1100, Thomas wrote: Reading the recent heated

Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Matt Pobursky
A guy in my boyhood home (a small town on an inland lake very near Lake Michigan) had one of those -- an awful light greenish-blue colored thing. I always chuckled seeing the two tiny little propellers on it as he drove by... I remember seeing him drive it into the water at a boat launching ramp

Re: [PEDA] Dual monitor

2002-02-07 Thread Tony Karavidas
If you go to the link below, check out the section in the flash demo: Simplicity-Individual Application Window Management. They too have solved the dialog box problem split between screens. I can't wait until it comes out! And when in the heck is the Phoenix beta going to start? Tony

Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:09 PM 2/7/2002 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr Lomax, I don't believe that I missed your point at all, I just don't agree. There is no such thing as a simple 3D model. If all you want is simple height, you might want to follow Robi's advice and calculate the separations with a pencil and

Re: [PEDA] Accel V14 PCB and SCH

2002-02-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:40 PM 2/7/2002 +0100, Martin Schüler wrote: Hello, we are working together with a company which is using Accel V13 V14. I read in this list quit a lot about Tango being imported via PCAD (Accel), but the offered reader claims to import Accel V15 ASCII only. Protel 2.8 imports Tango. In

Re: [PEDA] openinig any 99se schematic crashes system

2002-02-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:55 PM 2/7/2002 -0800, Cobbe,John wrote: Hi all I've been using protel since ver 2.8 and this is a first for me I suddenly find that attempting to open any schematic or project immediately dumps me back to the desktop. PCB runs fine I have re-loaded the schematic server twice with my

Re: [PEDA] Accel V14 PCB and SCH

2002-02-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:27 PM 2/7/2002 -0600, Jon Elson wrote: Protel only imported Tango ASCII files, they never supported the binary file format. Hopefully the customer can still read in and write out a file so you could try the ASCII files and see if they would come in. If they can't, I can. [EMAIL

Re: [PEDA] View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:48 PM 2/7/2002 -0600, Bill Hart wrote: I have the same view as Mr. Lomax for good reasons. It keeps it all in the same package, and would be much easier to tweak or change when conceptualizing the board. We still do this with parts and bare punchboards now. I do see that different users

Re: [PEDA] Removing virtual tracks

2002-02-07 Thread May Scott
Slightly to the side of the topic, but... I have had in the past, great problems with connections (in the ratsnest layer) going off to a point, that probably had a track in the past. Based on what you've said below, I guess the track became zero length in the process of cleaning up, but then

Re: [PEDA] Thermal relief / Tenting

2002-02-07 Thread DUTTON Phil
Not a problem Colin, No real difference if SMD or NSMD. Still need thermal relief for good soldering characteristics. Just that the SMD type pads tend to be larger. You'll start another discussion on the pros and cons of SMD and NSMD pads for BGAs. There is a view that the solder mask defined

Re: [PEDA] openinig any 99se schematic crashes system

2002-02-07 Thread Brad Velander
This type of fault is also indicative of the old printer no longer connected fault. This failure to open a schematic and dumping you to the desktop has been seen when the printer you formerly printed to on the network or your local machine is no longer there. Reconnect the printer, open a new

Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread John Williams
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: In many companies, there is no 3-D CAD guy and interference checking is done by trying to stuff the parts together in a box. A little interference checking, nothing terribly fancy, in Protel would go a long way. Just height checking, fine, as long as it is easy to

Re: [PEDA] Network Server Deleting Library Files ????

2002-02-07 Thread Daniel Webster
This one is for the Protel experts ! Recently we switched to a new network server. The problem is that our libraries are being overwritten and corrupted. We are not able to save our parts edits to the libraries without the files being corrupted. I have spent many hours restoring these library

Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Tony Karavidas
That QualECAD s/w looks great! Why doesn't Protel just BUY QualECAD?? They buy other seemingly useless stuff...this one would be the opposite. Tony -Original Message- From: John Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 6:33 PM To: Protel EDA Forum

Re: [PEDA] View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Ian Wilson
What is up with you lot in north America at the moment? Cabin Fever getting to you? Seems an awful lot of heat in this topic. Bye for now, Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: *

Re: [PEDA] View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Tony Karavidas
It's raining cats and dogs in N. California right now, so YEAH! :) Actually it would just be cool if the damn 3D thing was useable. -Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 8:05 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA]

Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
i agree that something which was obviously presented as a 'buy me' feature and which has no benefit other than to impress a Dilbert type manager should either have been fixed, improved or at least apologized for. (BTW, it is ok to end a sentence with a preposition, advice to the contrary

Re: [PEDA] View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Geoff Harland
What is up with you lot in north America at the moment? Cabin Fever getting to you? Seems an awful lot of heat in this topic. Ian Wilson It's raining cats and dogs in N. California right now, so YEAH! :) Actually it would just be cool if the damn 3D thing was useable. Tony

Re: [PEDA] View PCB 3D

2002-02-07 Thread Tony Karavidas
Well if I lived in Mendocino I would be a lot closer to the cannabis and would probably think it was Cs Ds. (your email had me LOL) I'm near Walnut Creek which is just far enough away from Berkeley. ;) Has anyone heard about the start of the Phoenix beta program? I've talked with them in the

Re: [PEDA] Removing virtual tracks

2002-02-07 Thread Harald . Bruenig
Do you try EDIT-DELETE ? Harald Bryn Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07.02.2002 17:42 Please respond to Protel EDA Forum To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:[PEDA] Removing virtual tracks I've got a track on my PCB that has zero size that

Re: [PEDA] Phoenix beta testing (ex View PCB 3D)

2002-02-07 Thread Geoff Harland
snip Has anyone heard about the start of the Phoenix beta program? I've talked with them in the past and know I'm on the list, but it's now Feb and they were claiming a ship date of March I believe. That's not much time to test... Tony I strongly suspect that notifying someone that they

[PEDA] Accel vs. protel

2002-02-07 Thread Georg Beckmann
Altium is now selling to different systems. Protel and Accel. Does anybody work with both systems. ? Which is better, or are they similar. ? Whats the major difference ? Georg * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave

Re: [PEDA] Accel vs. protel

2002-02-07 Thread Harald . Bruenig
Hi, in the past I worked with Accel. Since 6 months I work with Protel. From my point of view Protel is better. Protel is easier to learn. Integrated Schematic,PCB and LIB in one System. A good synchronisation of Schematic and PCB (Update board/schematic). Harald Georg Beckmann