Re: [PEDA] Performance difference between 2 of the same machines

2002-02-18 Thread JaMi Smith

[PEDA] Thermals not recognised by our board house

2002-02-18 Thread api
I've just tried to send our latest Gerbers to our board house, and they can't interpret a thermal aperature embedded in one of the files for a power plane. The offending item is: %AMTHD201* 7,0,0,1.400,1.400,0.000,45* % %ADD201THD201*% This situation throws up lots of questions: What am I

Re: [PEDA] Writing messages all day . . . the response . . .

2002-02-18 Thread JaMi Smith
Darren That is precisely the problem, but even the updates still cause some problems and additionally some related crashes on some systems. The problem only goes away completely, at least as I have experienced it and as I understand it, by not using any version of MS intellimouse, no matter how

Re: [PEDA] Thermals not recognised by our board house

2002-02-18 Thread JaMi Smith
Andrew, What do you see when you load your gerbers into Camtastic? That might shed a little light on the problem. JaMi Smith * * * - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 1:35 AM Subject: [PEDA] Thermals not

Re: [PEDA] Writing messages all day . . . the response . . .

2002-02-18 Thread Darren Moore
Jami, That is precisely the problem, but even the updates still cause some problems and additionally some related crashes on some systems. The problem only goes away completely, at least as I have experienced it and as I understand it, by not using any version of MS intellimouse, no

[PEDA] New Bug for the database

2002-02-18 Thread Jason Morgan
Here's some more for the database, all on Protel 99SE 1: Schematic print produces different results with different drivers on the same printer. As its windows GUI that does the rendering for the print driver, I've no idea why. Items affected are rectangle outline Inverts generated with single

[PEDA] Plotting Part Deux

2002-02-18 Thread Sean James
Is it possible to set up two instances of the same plotter with WIN2K? We use an HP DesignJET 450C, and I would like to have one plotter' with C-size, and the 2nd plotter at D-size. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01603 TEL 508-754-4858 x33 FAX

Re: [PEDA] IPC-D-356 problem

2002-02-18 Thread Mark E Witherite

Re: [PEDA] IPC-D-356 problem

2002-02-18 Thread Steve Smith
IPC-D-356 for dummies is available at: http://www.innoveda.com/support/help/IPCD356_for_Dummies.doc Regards, Steve Smith Product Engineer Staco Energy Products Co. Web Site: www.stacoenergy.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [PEDA] Thermals not recognised by our board house

2002-02-18 Thread Douglas McDonald
Andrew The first statement is a %AM statement which means Aperture Macro. Within this statement, standard gerber recognises CIRCLE, LINE-VECTOR, LINE-CENTER, LINE-LOWER LEFT, OUTLINE, POLYGON, MOIRE and THERMAL. I assume that TH is an abbreviation of THERMAL. 201 is the macro reference

Re: [PEDA] Designator matching

2002-02-18 Thread Jun Gong
Hi, Dwight Abd, Thank you for the suggestions. Those will be great help to me in the future. John -Original Message- From: Dwight Harm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 5:31 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Designator matching If you have a

Re: [PEDA] Performance difference between 2 of the same machines

2002-02-18 Thread Bob Jones
Hello All, I'd like to thank everyone for their posts to my problem. Although I have yet to try all the potential solutions, I can tell you which I have and what the result. 1). Andrew Jenkins suggested: bad memory result:ran all type of diagnostics, everything passes. I also removed memory

[PEDA] Win2000 problem

2002-02-18 Thread Michael . Binning
Hello all, I have just installed 99SE on a Windows 2000 Professional computer. It seems to be doing some strange things. I have seen components move, by themselves, when the screen in refreshed. I have seen a board outline, on the keepout layer, disappear. And I am not able to add a

Re: [PEDA] Win2000 problem

2002-02-18 Thread HxEngr

Re: [PEDA] Performance difference between 2 of the same machines

2002-02-18 Thread Brian Guralnick
| Here's the problem: | 2 identical computers, Compaq 500 Mhz, bought at the same time, same place, | 2 years ago. | | computer 1 has 440 MB Ram , 2650 virtual memory free, recently defragged and | software newly loaded. | | computer 2 has 216 MB Ram, 850 virtual memory free. | | Now the problem:

Re: [PEDA] Thermals not recognised by our board house

2002-02-18 Thread Rene Tschaggelar
It might matter in what sequence it is drawn. Especially the printtool requires the layers in a particular sequence, namely multilayer on top. How to control the sequence ? I don't know. Rene Andrew Ircha wrote: Hi Doug, That's very helpful. Let me pitch this to you... I'd say the 0

Re: [PEDA] News on TASKING tools

2002-02-18 Thread Peter Bennett
Brian Guralnick wrote: Nothing here in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. Brian Guralnick But I got it here on the wet coast... -- Peter Bennett TRIUMF 4004 Wesbrook Mall, Vancouver, BC, Canada GPS and NMEA info and programs: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter/index.html *

[PEDA] Re[2]: Performance difference between 2 of the same machines

2002-02-18 Thread Phillip Stevens
I'd run MSinfo32.exe on both systems and see if any differences in running programs/drivers between the two systems can be observed. I'd go to www.lavasoftusa.com install and run Ref-update and then run Ad-Aware. I'd go get ZoneAlarm from www.zonelabs.com . (or sniff your outbound packets

Re: [PEDA] News on TASKING tools

2002-02-18 Thread Brian Guralnick
'wet' coast... LOL :) Brian Guralnick - --- Comedy clips: ftp://ftp.point-lab.com/quartus/Public/MP3/Simpsons-FatFingers.mp3 -53K

[PEDA] Ground plane cutouts

2002-02-18 Thread HxEngr
In my RF work I frequently need to place cutouts in the ground plane under pads where capacitance to ground is undesirable. Is there a way to make such cutouts a part of a footprint? I'd like to place either a pad or a fill on the plane layers in the footprint, but the plane and inner layers

Re: [PEDA] Performance difference between 2 of the same machines

2002-02-18 Thread John Williams
Bob Jones wrote: I want to thank all those who responded. I may have sent people in the wrong direction by comparing 2 machines. Forget that there is another machine involved, it should not take 8 seconds to move text on an 0805 type part and 2 minutes plus on a larger chip. I will try to

Re: [PEDA] Ground plane cutouts

2002-02-18 Thread Cobbe,John
THERE ARE LAYER SPECIFIC, KEEPOUT, PRIMITIVE ENTITIES, WHICH YOU COULD ADD TO YOUR LIBRARY PARTS. TYPE P IN THE LIBRARY EDITOR AND YOU WILL GET A CHOICE OF ENTITIES TO PLACE I USUALLY ADD THEM AT THE DATABASE LEVEL SO I DON'T BURDEN MY LIBRARY PARTS WITH PERMANENT INTERNAL KEEPOUTS REGARDS JOHN

[PEDA] Export to Spreadsheet

2002-02-18 Thread HxEngr
I've been listening to all the chatter about exporting to spreadsheet, and was all set to try it out. I've got a moderately big design, and I need to clean up the BOM info. Spreadsheet format is perfect for checking for consistency. I figured out how to export to spread, made one change in the

Re: [PEDA] Ground plane cutouts

2002-02-18 Thread HxEngr

Re: [PEDA] Thermals not recognised by our board house

2002-02-18 Thread Douglas McDonald
Andrew The rotation is almost certainly as you describe and one can only assume that 0 is upright (+) and 45 is a cross (X). I can understand why GCPREVU and others might not like the inside and outside diameters to be equal, but in any event, a directly embedded pad (via?) shouldnt need any

Re: [PEDA] Export to Spreadsheet (and possible bug report)

2002-02-18 Thread HxEngr
I found that the EditExport to Spread menu item was attached to a process with a name that clearly indicated an export from schematic to spreadsheet. Right below that item, I found another process which just as clearly indicated an export from spreadsheet to schematic. I added that item to

Re: [PEDA] Performance difference between 2 of the same machines

2002-02-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:03 AM 2/18/2002 -0500, Bob Jones wrote: 1). Andrew Jenkins suggested: bad memory result:ran all type of diagnostics, everything passes. I also removed memory boards to see if anything changed. bad memory is therefore unlikely. Not impossible, but unlikely. 2). Mike Reagan suggested:

Re: [PEDA] Performance difference between 2 of the same machines

2002-02-18 Thread Dennis Saputelli
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: 3). Clive Broome suggested: network result: These machines are on a network, but they always have. The slow machine is the host. machines loading PCB libs over the network can take a LONG time to start up compared to when the libs are on the local machine

[PEDA] URGENT HELP REQUIRED: Paste Mask

2002-02-18 Thread Jason Morgan
Hi, As normal we load the gerbers back into protel to check they look right, I've noticed that the tented vias have solder on them on the paste mask. Why, and how do I get rid of it? I've never noticed this before but can't say it hasn't happened. We're just about to spin the boards and want

Re: [PEDA] Thermals not recognised by our board house

2002-02-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
It appears that this user may have assigned thermal aperture characteristics to create a direct connect pad or via. If so, this is not the correct way to accomplish direct connect. Check the settings for power plane connect apertures under Rules/Manufacturing/Power Plane Connect

Re: [PEDA] Performance difference between 2 of the same machines

2002-02-18 Thread Michael Reagan
Bob, Try looking at one other thing if you are comparing apples to apples and have the same file on two machines. Make sure one file did not create 1000 soldermask rules for each pad. I had boards from other designer which I imported to ddb and when it created soldermask rules ( I

Re: [PEDA] URGENT HELP REQUIRED: Paste Mask

2002-02-18 Thread HxEngr

Re: [PEDA] Writing messages all day . . . the response . . .

2002-02-18 Thread Dennis Saputelli
1] i never had a problem with the MS wheel mouse on 3 different (albeit similar) boxes (at least not any problem of which i am specifically aware) 2] i have had only one crash that i recall since going to Win2K (i was drawing a selection box on a large area of 'empty' workspace trying to find an

Re: [PEDA] URGENT HELP REQUIRED: Paste Mask

2002-02-18 Thread Brad Velander
Jason, did you actually design this board? Because I have a feeling that what you're describing means that your vias are actually free pads. Is that a possibility? Normally vias don't show on a solderpaste layer. Other possiblity is that you have loaded a padmaster back in as a pastemask.

Re: [PEDA] URGENT HELP REQUIRED: Paste Mask

2002-02-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:36 PM 2/18/2002 +, you wrote: As normal we load the gerbers back into protel to check they look right, I've noticed that the tented vias have solder on them on the paste mask. Why, and how do I get rid of it? (1) are you sure that they are vias and not free pads? (2) what are the

Re: [PEDA] Export to Spreadsheet

2002-02-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:58 AM 2/18/2002 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I figured out how to export to spread, made one change in the spreadsheet to try it out, and now I can't find any command to re-import the info back into the schematic. File/Update. Yes, it is *really* easy to overlook this, it is not where

Re: [PEDA] Export to Spreadsheet

2002-02-18 Thread HxEngr

Re: [PEDA] Export to Spreadsheet (another bug)

2002-02-18 Thread HxEngr
I just discovered another bug: When a footprint starts with a leading zero, the spreadsheet export treats it as a number and drops the leading zero. This is going to make reimport messy if I edit the footprints at all. I'm going to have a go at entering correct footprints with a leading

[PEDA] linking protel to external database

2002-02-18 Thread websitevisitor
Warning Unable to process data: multipart/mixed; boundary=#DM88655984#

Re: [PEDA] Performance difference between 2 of the same machines

2002-02-18 Thread Ian Wilson
On 10:51 AM 18/02/2002 -0500, Brian Guralnick said: Q3: Have you tried a general windows system performance gauge on each system? Not sure what you should use, maybe someone in the group could recommend a good tool. http://www.sisoftware.demon.co.uk/sandra/index.htm would be one option -

Re: [PEDA] Performance difference between 2 of the same machines

2002-02-18 Thread Dwight
1) Check file system settings -- Control Panel | System, Performance tab, File system, is typical use (or something like that) set to Desktop, or to Server? If set to Server, then (I think) network requests are given priority over local apps, which could account for slowdown. 2) Try disabling

Re: [PEDA] Ground plane cutouts

2002-02-18 Thread Ian Wilson
On 08:57 AM 18/02/2002 -0800, Cobbe,John said: THERE ARE LAYER SPECIFIC, KEEPOUT, PRIMITIVE ENTITIES, WHICH YOU COULD ADD TO YOUR LIBRARY PARTS. TYPE P IN THE LIBRARY EDITOR AND YOU WILL GET A CHOICE OF ENTITIES TO PLACE I USUALLY ADD THEM AT THE DATABASE LEVEL SO I DON'T BURDEN MY LIBRARY PARTS

Re: [PEDA] Export to Spreadsheet (another bug)

2002-02-18 Thread Ian Wilson
On 04:02 PM 18/02/2002 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I just discovered another bug: When a footprint starts with a leading zero, the spreadsheet export treats it as a number and drops the leading zero. This is going to make reimport messy if I edit the footprints at all. I'm going to have a go

Re: [PEDA] linking protel to external database

2002-02-18 Thread Ian Wilson
On 08:30 AM 18/02/2002 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Does anybody know how I can import four different footprints in one schematic component? As far as I know, it is only possible to import one footprint in the schematic. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted from Association web site by: Jan Lambrecht

[PEDA] performance vs. processor usage

2002-02-18 Thread Bob Jones
Hi all, I hope I'm not bothering everyone with the same problem for too long here, but I may be getting closer to a solution to my performance problem. While looking at the SYSTEM MONITOR I noticed that my slow computer is showing a processor usage of 100% all the time. I've closed everything I

Re: [PEDA] Export to Spreadsheet

2002-02-18 Thread HxEngr

Re: [PEDA] Export to Spreadsheet

2002-02-18 Thread HxEngr

[PEDA] Using Client Spreadsheets to update schematics

2002-02-18 Thread Darryl Newberry
More on the subject of export to Client Spreadsheet/Excel for tabular edit/update. Hopefully this will clarify for all. 1. Open the schematic (top level sheet if hierarchical). 2. Export to spreadsheet--this runs the client spreadsheet creation wizard. 3. Choose All Off, Part, OK, then check

Re: [PEDA] linking protel to external database

2002-02-18 Thread Brad Velander
Jan, actually it is not possibly to import footprints directly though linking. The only fields which are linkable are the 8 part fields, not the footprint field. That said, there is a work-around to this problem. We use this method where I work. We import a footprint into one of

Re: [PEDA] Export to Spreadsheet

2002-02-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:57 PM 2/18/2002 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've followed most of those discussions, though I'm just now putting it into practice. I've discovered some things which seem to be at odds with what I remember reading: 1) The GUID for each part (the hidden handles) are actually in the

Re: [PEDA] Ground plane cutouts

2002-02-18 Thread Cobbe,John
You can place fills on plane layers, at the component level, that would give you the desired voids. You would of course have to activate the plane or mid-layers layers in the lib editor as previously mentioned. The one thing I am not sure about is whether the presence of primitives on these

Re: [PEDA] Export to Spreadsheet

2002-02-18 Thread Ian Wilson
On 05:08 PM 18/02/2002 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Maybe I'll look at that later. Right now I'm just trying to get the spreadsheet working well enough to get the part info INTO the schematic. I'll worry about getting it back OUT later! Steve Hendrix Ah well! I am just finishing off a new

Re: [PEDA] linking protel to external database

2002-02-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:30 AM 2/18/2002 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody know how I can import four different footprints in one schematic component? As far as I know, it is only possible to import one footprint in the schematic. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted from Association web site by: Jan Lambrecht

Re: [PEDA] performance vs. processor usage

2002-02-18 Thread Ian Wilson
On 04:59 PM 18/02/2002 -0500, Bob Jones said: Hi all, I hope I'm not bothering everyone with the same problem for too long here, but I may be getting closer to a solution to my performance problem. While looking at the SYSTEM MONITOR I noticed that my slow computer is showing a processor usage of

Re: [PEDA] performance vs. processor usage

2002-02-18 Thread John Williams
While watching the system monitor, try stopping all servers (except the pcb server) one at a time to see if they are chewing up any processor time. Do this by going to the Protel system menu (big grey down pointing arrow on far left side of menu bar) and selecting Servers... Right click in the

Re: [PEDA] performance vs. processor usage

2002-02-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:59 PM 2/18/2002 -0500, Bob Jones wrote: I hope I'm not bothering everyone with the same problem for too long here, but I may be getting closer to a solution to my performance problem. While looking at the SYSTEM MONITOR I noticed that my slow computer is showing a processor usage of 100%

Re: [PEDA] performance vs. processor usage

2002-02-18 Thread Tony Karavidas
What do you see running when you CTRL-ALT-DEL you system? (one time I mean) You should see a list of apps running. Can you identify anything you don't expect to see in there? Yes, there will be lots of OS crap you probably won't be able to identify, but that goes for most of us I would imagine.

Re: [PEDA] linking protel to external database

2002-02-18 Thread Ian Wilson
On 02:13 PM 18/02/2002 -0800, Brad Velander said: Jan, actually it is not possibly to import footprints directly though linking. The only fields which are linkable are the 8 part fields, not the footprint field. Brad, Shameless plug mode on I am just completing documentation and final

Re: [PEDA] performance vs. processor usage

2002-02-18 Thread Clive . Broome
Ive seen that with my system - a dual Pentium II, 200 MHz, 128 mbyte, running NT. Looking in the task manager/ processes I found a program (findfast.exe) running amok and taking up around 70 % of system resources. I killed it which helped, and rebooted which helped even more.

Re: [PEDA] Performance difference between 2 of the same machines

2002-02-18 Thread Clive . Broome
Was Protel loaded and working well prior to the defrag? ___ Clive Broome IDT Sydney Design CentrePh: +61 2 9763 3513 8 Bayswater Dr, HomebushFax:+61 2 9763 3409 Sydney, NSW, 2127

Re: [PEDA] URGENT HELP REQUIRED: Paste Mask

2002-02-18 Thread ICT Mail
Jason, just a thought here When you load gerbers back into a blank PCB file, you must remember that for a given layer, all the lands that represent vias and pads etc will be imported as free pads and will take on the design rules specified in your PCB file. Vias are just a D-code for a given

Re: [PEDA] linking protel to external database

2002-02-18 Thread John Haddy
OK, Ian, If you're going to make such a shameless plug then you could at least tell us where to get a copy! :-) At least, do you have an ETA for when you'll finish testing and release such an obviously useful tool? Cheers, John Haddy -Original Message- From: Ian Wilson

Re: [PEDA] Writing messages all day . . . the response . . .

2002-02-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
warning: a long response to a long post, not directly related to support. At 06:40 PM 2/17/2002 -0800, JaMi Smith wrote: Unfortunately, herein lies what I perceive to be one of the problems, which already has been partially acknowledged and addressed, in that when the list, or more precisely

Re: [PEDA] Writing messages all day . . . the response . . .

2002-02-18 Thread Darryl Newberry
Perhaps. 1 out of 8? I'd say that is wider participation than I had thought. Given that I can afford to make a point to be here I couldn't resisttaking the ratio of all messages (6896) versus those submitted by Abdul (551), puts his contribution at 8.3% since I subscribed in May 2001.

Re: [PEDA] performance vs. processor usage

2002-02-18 Thread Dwight Harm
re Findfast - MS Office ( other products, perhaps) will install this -- it indexes all your files; check for a Control Panel applet FindFast to configure it. (I uninstalled it.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 4:22 PM Ive seen that with my

Re: [PEDA] linking protel to external database

2002-02-18 Thread Ian Wilson
At 11:24 AM 19/02/02 +1100, you wrote: OK, Ian, If you're going to make such a shameless plug then you could at least tell us where to get a copy! :-) At least, do you have an ETA for when you'll finish testing and release such an obviously useful tool? Cheers, John Haddy It is not on our

Re: [PEDA] linking protel to external database

2002-02-18 Thread Ian Wilson
At 01:51 PM 19/02/02 +1100, you wrote: At 11:24 AM 19/02/02 +1100, you wrote: OK, Ian, If you're going to make such a shameless plug then you could at least tell us where to get a copy! :-) At least, do you have an ETA for when you'll finish testing and release such an obviously useful tool?

Re: [PEDA] Writing messages all day . . . hopefully, the final response . . .

2002-02-18 Thread JaMi Smith
Abdul, Thanks for coming clean on your interests in buying and selling Protel Licenses, as it clarifies a lot on why you have attempted to justify the raises in price by Protel. It also explains why you appear to be a Protel shill. You're just trying th hustle your own 'product' (the licenses

Re: [PEDA] Writing messages all day . . . hopefully, the final response . . .

2002-02-18 Thread Don Ingram
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