Re: [PEDA] Writing messages all day . . . hopefully, the final re sponse . . .

2002-02-19 Thread Thomas
For Christs sake Jami get off his back! He does not clutter up the list, he provides much needed helpful advice and support. You are the only twit cluttering up this list lately. !plonk! -- the sound of JaMi being added to my email kill filter file. -Original Message- From: JaMi Smith

Re: [PEDA] Writing messages all day . . . hopefully, the final re sponse . . .

2002-02-19 Thread Darren Moore
Seconded, Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 19:21 To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Writing messages all day . . . hopefully, the final re sponse . . . For Christs sake Jami get off his back! He

Re: [PEDA] Writing messages all day . . . hopefully, the final re sponse . . .

2002-02-19 Thread Brian Guralnick
I think we are all having too much fun with this topic... hehe... Brian Guralnick - --- Comedy clips: ftp://ftp.point-lab.com/quartus/Public/MP3/Simpsons-FatFingers.mp3 -53K

Re: [PEDA] URGENT HELP REQUIRED: Paste Mask

2002-02-19 Thread Jason Morgan
Yes and No. Yes I designed the board and No the Vias are not free pads. There is no holes in the solder paste layers on the origional protel drawing, only on the gerber import. The gerber import is just photoplot commands, therefore if there is a shape there then there will be a hole. J.

Re: [PEDA] URGENT HELP REQUIRED: Paste Mask

2002-02-19 Thread Jason Morgan
Entirely probable.. We sent the gerbers anyway. And then tried a different gerber viewer this morning. PANIC OVER, call off the dogs. Leon was right. Protels' importer saw the vias as through hole pads, so placed a free pad at its location on multi layer. The free pads have a paste mask

Re: [PEDA] Writing messages all day . . . hopefully, the final re sponse . . .

2002-02-19 Thread Stephen Casey
JaMi, Abd. has provided me with very much appreciated help - Sometimes he's been the only person to respond to my query. Certainly his answers have always been spot-on. He has saved me much time, and his help has always been freely given. If you don't want to read his posts, then don't read

Re: [PEDA] Win2000 problem

2002-02-19 Thread Michael . Binning
All sorted. Admin priveliges were set. It seems the designer in question turned on the autoplacer, and then didn't realise it had to be turned off. Once it was turned off, the components stopped wandering about. As for the libraries that would not load, that was because the network drive he

Re: [PEDA] Writing messages all day . . . hopefully, the final response . . .

2002-02-19 Thread Bryn Wolfe
JaMi (however that is pronounced), I have been deleting the messages in this thread as they come in, but it just won't stop! This banter is precisely the clutter you were complaining about. I agree that Mr. Lomax can be long winded, but I can usually gleen something of value from his posts.

Re: [PEDA] Writing messages all day . . . hopefully, the final re sponse . . .

2002-02-19 Thread Mike Reagan
Ja Mi CAD jockey or not , Mr Lomax has been of great help to me both on this forum and off the forum. I don't read all of his postings because I simply don't have the time but I think the consensus is we will keep him. Do what I do, delete email you don't want to read then it wont irritate

Re: [PEDA] URGENT HELP REQUIRED: Paste Mask

2002-02-19 Thread Brad Velander
Jason, if you haven't caught on to your problem yet, I think that one of the other posters hit the nail on the head. There may be nothing wrong with your original Gerber files, the problem may have arose when you imported them back into Protel. Importing Gerber back into Protel is

Re: [PEDA] Using Client Spreadsheets to update schematics

2002-02-19 Thread HxEngr
I just finished a big session of updating all the part info using the spreadsheet export, which is too powerful to live without, now that I know it's there. I've managed to find ways to work around most of its limitations, but I've encountered one fairly serious problem that has my database in

Re: [PEDA] Using Client Spreadsheets to update schematics

2002-02-19 Thread api
We have a related problem. BoMs loaded into Excel always strip leading zeroes. I'm afraid we cheat, and don't have 0402, 0603 0805 etc. as footprints, but instead append the name of our company e.g. ART_0805. Our libraries match with this. AAMOI - I think sticking with 0805, 0603, 0402 for

Re: [PEDA] Using Client Spreadsheets to update schematics

2002-02-19 Thread Brad Velander
Andrew, we all probably suffer from similar problems. One work-around that I use is to import the BOMs into Excel as text files. This allows you to specify each column as Text and you don't loose those leading 0s, nor any other special characters. Typically my imports are brought

Re: [PEDA] Writing messages all day . . PLEASE stop!

2002-02-19 Thread Mike Ingle
JaMi, No, I don't have to be reading this thread, but I have, and as such, I find it offensive that someone who sounds very disgruntled, has chosen this list to vent in. Mr lomax has been of enourmous benefit to me as an engineer who must occasionally do a layout using PROTEL. Both from a

[PEDA] Bug: display of multilayer primitives

2002-02-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
As a reminder for Mr. Wilson, preparing a bug list: The display of multilayer objects is seriously flawed. Protel displays multilayer objects only if multilayer is enabled. Vias are multilayer objects as currently configured, but vias do not necessarily exist on all layers, they could be

Re: [PEDA] Using Client Spreadsheets to update schematics

2002-02-19 Thread Dwight
I tried adding leading apostrophe zero on footprint ('0603), in client spreadsheet, and File | Update sets the footprint field without the leading apostrophe. Or is the problem that there's no automatic way to know which items had zeros removed? If there are only a couple footprints like this,

Re: [PEDA] Using Client Spreadsheets to update schematics

2002-02-19 Thread HxEngr

[PEDA] Netlist load anomaly

2002-02-19 Thread HxEngr
Today must be my day for Protel wierdness. After a marathon session of editing BOM info via spreadsheet, I'm not sure it's worth the bother. Takes almost as long to clean up after it as it would to just do all the edits directly in PCB. Fundamentally, this should not be an export operation,

Re: [PEDA] Bug: display of multilayer primitives

2002-02-19 Thread Ian Wilson
On 03:31 PM 19/02/2002 -0500, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said: As a reminder for Mr. Wilson, preparing a bug list: The display of multilayer objects is seriously flawed. Protel displays multilayer objects only if multilayer is enabled. Vias are multilayer objects as currently configured, but vias do

Re: [PEDA] Netlist load anomaly

2002-02-19 Thread Ian Wilson
On 04:58 PM 19/02/2002 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Today must be my day for Protel wierdness. After a marathon session of editing BOM info via spreadsheet, I'm not sure it's worth the bother. Takes almost as long to clean up after it as it would to just do all the edits directly in PCB.

Re: [PEDA] Netlist load anomaly

2002-02-19 Thread Brad Velander
Steve, been there done that, just a matter of days ago myself. Never have found the solution for absolute certainty, largely I just ignore it. One thing to check for in the PCB database is a duplicate net. I have quite often found a duplicate net when I have this problem. During

Re: [PEDA] URGENT HELP REQUIRED: Paste Mask

2002-02-19 Thread Bob Wolfe
Jason, I did not follow this one from the very beginning but, I would also 100% agree that bringing a gerber file back into your CAD system for any reason other than to use it to reproduce a board you have no CAD data for, or copy sections into an existing board etc. is not good. I would NOT

Re: [PEDA] Netlist load anomaly

2002-02-19 Thread Wamnet

[PEDA] Cpld question

2002-02-19 Thread Geoff Harland
This is a question I am posing on behalf of a workplace colleague. Does anyone have a working schematic capture example for the Xilinx- CPLD 9536VQ44 producing .jed file? (Either for Protel 99 SE or Protel 98.) Regards, Geoff Harland. - E-Mail Disclaimer The

[PEDA] What does printed circuit board mean to you?

2002-02-19 Thread Ian Wilson
G'Day all, I was having an email discussion the recently... We use the term printed circuit board (or PCB) to describe the bare board (no components fitted) and the term printed wiring assembly (PWA) for the assembly (PCB + components). Some of the younger colleagues around here are

Re: [PEDA] What does printed circuit board mean to you?

2002-02-19 Thread Dennis Saputelli
fab = bare board pca = built board pcb = not specific to either of above board = ditto pwb = a dweeb term for fab, never used by cool guys pwa i never saw/heard that one Dennis Saputelli Ian Wilson wrote: G'Day all, I was having an email discussion the recently... We use the term

Re: [PEDA] What does printed circuit board mean to you?

2002-02-19 Thread John Haddy
My $0.02c is that any acronym that ends in B for board relates to the basic entity to which components are assembled. Any acronym ending in A for assembly relates to the board plus components. So I don't care whether you call it a PCB or PWB - it's a bare board. A PWA or PCA is the output from

Re: [PEDA] What does printed circuit board mean to you?

2002-02-19 Thread Tony Karavidas
-Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 8:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] What does printed circuit board mean to you? clip How do others interpret the following terms? PCB (printed circuit board)

Re: [PEDA] What does printed circuit board mean to you?

2002-02-19 Thread DUTTON Phil
Hello Ian, Generally, from IPC-T-50, both PCB and PWB are subsets of the more generic term Printed Board. PWBs providing point to point wiring only, PCBs providing printed circuit elements. Printed Board Assembly, PBA, refers to the assembled board with all of its components. (although I've also