Re: [PEDA] Hard Look at other Programms

2002-09-06 Thread kiernan_fitzpatrick
Out of curiosity, without commenting on all your points individually, have you seen anything in Boardmaker that cannot be done, one way or another in P99SE? It depends how much you look to automating things. I have previously controlled via tenting under BGAs by editing the gerbers in an

Re: [PEDA] Long overbars on printed output

2002-09-06 Thread Dwight Harm
If changing drivers fixes it, then it's NOT Protel's problem. Similarly, if changing printer settings fixes it, it's NOT Protel's problem. The problem may only appear in Protel because it might use unusual parameters or unusual series of calls to the printer driver. The application code in a

[PEDA] DXP SP1 Prerelease

2002-09-06 Thread BB_PCBDesign

Re: [PEDA] Hard Look at other Programms

2002-09-06 Thread Dwight Harm
re lease/support -- the difference is that if you stop paying the lease, you cannot legally continue using the software. In fact, depending on the contract, if the company goes out of business (or drops the product) you might not be able to legally continue using it. To take an extreme example,

Re: [PEDA] DXP SP1 Prerelease

2002-09-06 Thread Ian Wilson
On 12:38 PM 6/09/2002 +0200, BB_PCBDesign said: DXP SP1 Prerelease is here http://www.protel.com/resources/downloads/index.html Bolis Bortolo The text of the announcement on the DXP forum includes the following: By downloading the pre-release you agree to comply with the Pre-release Test

Re: [PEDA] How do I view/convert PHO files in Protel 99SE

2002-09-06 Thread Paul Hutchinson
I recently had to deal with .PHO files from an outside consultant. They where simply Gerber files generated from PADS and had matching .REP files containing the aperture definitions. I used Lavenier ViewMaster to work on them, couldn't get them to load in P98. I don't know if P99se/Camtastic

[PEDA] Friday morning barrage of questions

2002-09-06 Thread Matt Daggett
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Re: [PEDA] DXP SP1 Prerelease

2002-09-06 Thread Joe Sapienza
Just got the DXP.exe is not valid and the thing quit, anybody have any clues as to what gives? - Original Message - From: BB_PCBDesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:38 AM Subject: [PEDA] DXP SP1 Prerelease DXP SP1

Re: [PEDA] Friday morning barrage of questions

2002-09-06 Thread Peter Bennett
Matt Daggett wrote: Today's one of those days you rather just ask than spend all day looking for the answers yourself. (1) Why do I get a Floating point division by zero error and then components disappear off my schematic even though their text/component information are still on the

Re: [PEDA] DXP SP1 Prerelease

2002-09-06 Thread Ian Middleton
I don't think SP1 works with the evaluation version, which is a shame as I was waiting for some major fixes before evaluating. Hopefuly a new Demo including SP1 will be made available soon ? -Original Message- From: Joe Sapienza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 06 September 2002

Re: [PEDA] Long overbars on printed output

2002-09-06 Thread Jason Morgan
Dwight, I'm sorry, but you are wrong, or at least you are making a huge oversight. You forget that text with an overbar has to be drawn after the text is pasted. Apart from strike-out there is no other feature in a printer driver for aligning a drawn line with a piece of text. The position,

Re: [PEDA] DXP - Crunch time?

2002-09-06 Thread Fabian Hartery
Dennis, The only thing I could relate to with demolishing a DDB architecture is that there is alot of data management under this regime. Thus, there is associated software complexity and design risk. For the end user, the corruption of a DDB has the potential to destroy an entire project. To

Re: [PEDA] Friday morning barrage of questions

2002-09-06 Thread Brad Velander
Matt, some questions are better unasked. 8^ 1) Never seen it, can't help. 2) Never seen it can't help. 3) How difficult was it to make the board in the first place? How dense is the board? Where in that density, do you have to add the new components? Answer these questions

Re: [PEDA] Long overbars on printed output

2002-09-06 Thread Brad Velander
Jason, don't jump on Dwight. You seem to forget that whatever Protel passes to the driver works just fine with 'most' printers print drivers. It has problems only with a few. So you are saying that Protel must pass different information to the print driver based upon performing some

Re: [PEDA] DXP - Crunch time?

2002-09-06 Thread Fred A Rupinski
Based on the reports submitted to the Forum (see TK below), the DXP Demo is not ready for formal release, but seems meant to serve as an extension of the Beta Cycle. I wonder if this violates the ethic of not exploiting customers by allowing known bugs into a formally released package. At the

Re: [PEDA] DXP - Crunch time?

2002-09-06 Thread Terry Harris
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:20:39 -0230, Fabian Hartery wrote: The only thing I could relate to with demolishing a DDB architecture is that there is alot of data management under this regime. Thus, there is associated software complexity and design risk. For the end user, the corruption of a DDB has

Re: [PEDA] DXP SP1 Prerelease

2002-09-06 Thread Joe Sapienza
Ian, Thanks for the reply. Seems that I expect the DEMO to work properly to justify spending for the upgrade. Based on what I have seen with the demo and only some promise that the SP will fix I still can't recommend upgrading in my mind. SO basically what I'm saying is that I want to a demo that

[PEDA] Whats wrong with this picture.

2002-09-06 Thread JaMi Smith
OK . . . So I'll admit, I missed the Class on Protel 99 SE Basics . . . And I slept thru most of the Protel 99 SE 101 and 102 Classes . . . But gimmie a break . . . This one has got me baffled . . . So what are the two simplest functions that one can possibly perform in Protel 99 SE? I mean

Re: [PEDA] Long overbars on printed output

2002-09-06 Thread Dwight
The calculations you mention are typically performed by Windows/driver code -- the app issues Windows API calls such as GetTextExtent, passing a printer device context handle, and gets back the value it needs. (At least that's the way we code apps here!) -Original Message- From: Jason

Re: [PEDA] Whats wrong with this picture.

2002-09-06 Thread Dwight
LOL, the KLUNK! happens here too (win2k), also Alt+F,X gets it. But Alt+F4 doesn't, nor does Close from the system menu. I had never noticed as I use one of the 'quiet' methods 99.9% of the time. However, I didn't notice any significant speed difference in my environment (PIII 500MHz), 2-3

Re: [PEDA] Whats wrong with this picture.

2002-09-06 Thread Dave . E . Lewis
I bet you used your mouse : ^ ) 2 We go to the File menu pulldown, and click on Exit, and what happens now? Well first of all, it takes much much much much longer to END Protel 99 SE this way, but now comes the real problem, on it's final exit, we get, are you ready for it, a Microsoft

Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats wrong with this picture.

2002-09-06 Thread Dennis Saputelli
yeah i never noticed that either (the difference in the closing 'klunk') but we do get it sometimes too i wonder if this has anything to do with the 'issue' of phantom copies of protel still running even after it is quit which seems to be specific to WIN2K (i.e., the situation where Protel

Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats wrong with this picture.

2002-09-06 Thread Nicholas Cobb
I don't have compact on close on and I get the KLUNK. Even though I too never noticed this. Nick Cobb -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:13 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats wrong with this

Re: [PEDA] Whats wrong with this picture.

2002-09-06 Thread JaMi Smith
Thanks Dwight, See below: - Original Message - From: Dwight [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Whats wrong with this picture. snip However, I didn't notice any significant speed difference in my

Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats wrong with this picture.

2002-09-06 Thread Dennis Saputelli
just curious is there a reason you don't have compact on close on? Dennis Saputelli Nicholas Cobb wrote: I don't have compact on close on and I get the KLUNK. Even though I too never noticed this. Nick Cobb -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats wrong with this picture.

2002-09-06 Thread Nicholas Cobb
It takes too long to close DDBs when accessing them on the network. -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:52 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats wrong with this picture. just curious is there a

Re: [PEDA] Whats wrong with this picture.

2002-09-06 Thread JaMi Smith
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Whats wrong with this picture. I bet you used your mouse : ^ ) Actually yes, and I did notice the smiley there, but just to eliminate

Re: [PEDA] DXP SP1 Prerelease

2002-09-06 Thread Tony Karavidas
The SP does not work with the demo version. It will only update the release version. I'm sure when SP1 is out of beta, it will work on the trial version. IMO, it would be best for Altium to allow another 30 days for the trial after the real SP1 is posted. That is one way to help the bad feelings

Re: [PEDA] Long overbars on printed output

2002-09-06 Thread Tony Karavidas
These things are so much more complicated than you are depiciting it. With your argument, how do you explain the overbar printing correctly on MY system I even have the same printer (in the same network mode) that someone else on this list has, and they are having printing problems, whereas

Re: [PEDA] DXP SP1 Prerelease

2002-09-06 Thread Joe Sapienza
Of course they don't have to listen to me! I just think it's a good idea. They think differently than you. We will find out how differently as things unfold. - Original Message - From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 06,

Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats wrong with this picture.

2002-09-06 Thread JaMi Smith
Dennis and the group, I apologize for my sporadic responses, but I am having trouble with my email provider, SBCGLOBAL.NET, and they are only giving me about half of my email. I am sure the rest is just stuck on some server in Podunk Arkansas, and will show up sometime tomorrow. Please see

Re: [PEDA] DXP - Crunch time?

2002-09-06 Thread Tony Karavidas
Fred, have you ever developed s/w? Every company I know releases known bugs into code with exception of anything that would cause death or destruction. They are categorized and prioritized and weighted against quarterly statements, product announcements, etc. I don't think ANY engineer wants to

[PEDA] You can't get there from here (I think)...

2002-09-06 Thread Richard Stevense
Hello all, I am vainly attempting to create assembly drawings for my current project. I have found two methods for creating these drawings but with unsatisfactory results. Method 1: Within Print Preview export the drawing (Top or Bottom Overlay/Mech 1 on) without Font Substitution and

Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats wrong with this picture.

2002-09-06 Thread Tony Karavidas
I tried turning it off and also turning off all the other things in Preferences and it still KLUNK! s Tony -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 1:13 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats wrong

Re: [PEDA] Whats wrong with this picture.

2002-09-06 Thread Tony Karavidas
I think Jami spotted a bug! I get the KLUNK! too in the same way. I never noticed it before today, because I normally have my speakers off. -Original Message- From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 12:21 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Cc: JaMi Smith

Re: [PEDA] You can't get there from here (I think)...

2002-09-06 Thread Dennis Saputelli
i assume you want to make electronic dwgs? how about PDF ? Dennis Saputelli Richard Stevense wrote: Hello all, I am vainly attempting to create assembly drawings for my current project. I have found two methods for creating these drawings but with unsatisfactory results. Method 1:

Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats wrong with this picture.

2002-09-06 Thread Ian Wilson
On 03:00 PM 6/09/2002 -0700, JaMi Smith said: Can we also add this to the Official Protel 99 SE BUG list on Yahoo! ? You write it out in a suitable fashion and it can be added. See the bug list for the format but basically: Date: 2001/02/05 (ISO format) Summary: Sch: Hidden pin connectivity

Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats wrong with this picture.

2002-09-06 Thread JaMi Smith
Ian, Please see below, JaMi PS - Still waiting to hear from someone as to whether this problem exists in DXP! - Original Message - From: Ian Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats

Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats wrong with this picture.

2002-09-06 Thread Tony Karavidas
It does not occur in DXP. -Original Message- From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 5:53 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Cc: JaMi Smith Subject: Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats wrong with this picture. Ian, Please see below, JaMi PS - Still

Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats wrong with this picture.

2002-09-06 Thread JaMi Smith
Thanks Tony, JaMi - Original Message - From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats wrong with this picture. It does not occur in DXP.

Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats wrong with this picture.

2002-09-06 Thread Dennis Saputelli
operating in paranoid mode is generally a good thing when so much work hangs in the air to allay your fears somewhat, and you may know this well, a set of up to ten incrementing timed auto save backups may be written to a separate folder which by default is an SE subfolder these are

Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats wrong with this picture.

2002-09-06 Thread JaMi Smith
Thanks Dennis, I did not know that. I usually have had to do a recover after a crash from the backup or the previous backup in the same directory as the original .ddb file, and in fact I have had to do that at least twice in the last week with this board, which is probably why I am in paranoid

Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats wrong with this picture.

2002-09-06 Thread Tony Karavidas
Jami, Do you have the ability to install P99SE on a different machine? (I can't remember if you've indicated that before). I think your frequent crashes are pretty unusual. -Original Message- From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 7:46 PM To: