Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?)

2002-09-10 Thread JaMi Smith
Tony See below, JaMi - Original Message - From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?) ...and while many of those bugs were in fact addressed and fixed,

Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?)

2002-09-10 Thread Tony Karavidas
Hi Jami, See comments scattered below... -Original Message- From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:33 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Cc: JaMi Smith Subject: Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?) Tony See below, JaMi -

Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?)

2002-09-10 Thread Ian Wilson
On 02:48 AM 10/09/2002 -0700, Tony Karavidas said: Hi Jami, ..snip.. Please remember that long before I joined this forum, you, and many of the other major players here have had a very long time to relate to Altium and motivate them with that personal connection, and we are still at SP6,

[PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!

2002-09-10 Thread Stephen Casey
Hello all, I haven't looked in great depth at this, so draw your own conclusions: http://www.autotraxeda.com/ Interesting, no? Steve. * Tracking #: FDE37C3C1A14CE49AE5E6D600B3ABF48B8E75D4C *

Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!

2002-09-10 Thread Brian Guralnick
The guys who made this web site should convert their screen shot .BMPs to .PNGs. I gave up after the first page in the viewing of their online manuals. Looks really cheap... Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice (514) 624-4003 Fax (514) 624-3631 - Original Message -

Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?)

2002-09-10 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Jami wrote: When I pointed this out to Roger on the first day of a three day international Design Aids DS1Users Group Meeting hosted by Boeing in Seattle Washington in the fall of 1983 (84?), he immediately left the conference early and flew back to Southern California so that he could

Re: [PEDA] You can't get there from here (I think)...

2002-09-10 Thread Tim Fifield
Joe, Please explain why this sounds dangerous? What do you put on your mechanical layer that is not contained on the silk screen? Tim -Original Message- From: Joe Sapienza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 4:33 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] You

Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?)

2002-09-10 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Jami wrote That is why I have floated several different proposals here in this forum, ranging from SP7, to free upgrades to DXP (without ATS) for all who bought into Protel 99 SE at its current level due to the fact that it actually does have problems and these people have never received any

Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!

2002-09-10 Thread John A. Ross \[Design\]
- Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! The guys who made this web site should convert their screen shot .BMPs to .PNGs. I gave up

Re: [PEDA] Cease the spam

2002-09-10 Thread Matt Daggett
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Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!

2002-09-10 Thread Andrew Jenkins
From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] The guys who made this web site should convert their screen shot .BMPs to .PNGs. I gave up after the first page in the viewing of their online manuals. Looks really cheap... At $195, that's an understatment... aj

Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!

2002-09-10 Thread ttontis
$195 for the full package? I think I might get it for home just to do some hobby boards. -Original Message- From: Stephen Casey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 6:32 AM To: Protel forum Subject: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Hello all, I haven't

Re: [PEDA] Fw: on topic supply SOS

2002-09-10 Thread Terry Harris
On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 02:06:34 -0400, Brian Guralnick wrote: Which wima parts are you trying to get? I have no problem getting them in quantity, say 400 - 600 pieces. I figure I only need 10 of each. http://www.wima.de/smd2220.htm 1.0uf 0.1uf 0.01uf http://www.wima.de/mks2.htm 10uf All

[PEDA] GND Plane Neck

2002-09-10 Thread Tim Fifield

Re: [PEDA] Cease the spam

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Re: [PEDA] Cease the spam

2002-09-10 Thread Matt Daggett
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Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?)

2002-09-10 Thread Brad Velander
Mike, Jami, others, with this wild discussion about the failings of Altium/Protel/DXP/P99SE there is not a lot that you could do about anything other than DXP. Grab all of your marketing literature and sales promotion literature, manuals, does it not state that DXP has pin and gate

Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?)

2002-09-10 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Unfortunately, Roger had Cancer, and died within a short time after all of this happened, and so I really do not know who really ended up with what in the end. JaMi, how do you know he's not still alive, sitting on a South American or Caribbean beach, sipping drinks and hanging out with Elvis

Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?)

2002-09-10 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Yes Altium, I really do want my SP7 I second that motion. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: JaMi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: JaMi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September

Re: [PEDA] You can't get there from here (I think)...

2002-09-10 Thread Brad Velander
Tim, I am not trying to answer for Joe but here is what we do. We include in our library land patterns a mechanical layer with a precise 1:1 scale of the component and the special .designator string. This is our assembly layer. It is also the sanity check layer where you can look at the

Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!

2002-09-10 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Wasn't AutoTrax the predecessor to Protel? I wonder if the original DOS code has been recycled into a Windows app? Did anyone on this list use the original DOS AutoTrax software? How does this compare? Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original

Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?)

2002-09-10 Thread Rob Young
I also couldn't agree more on SP7. It is unfair to expect users to pay for DXP when they cannot use it right away with all the bug fixes and retraining required. On the other hand, I might be tempted to pay for the DXP upgrade if it would buy me SP7. I would see an immediate value to the

Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!

2002-09-10 Thread Mike Ingle
I purchased Auto-Trax from Protel along with The initial windows schematic software. Way back when they were in Santa Clara Ca. Mike riginal Message - From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:25 AM Subject:

Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?)

2002-09-10 Thread Heiko Vachek
I agree 100%. I also started in 1993 with Protel V1.5, I think. Since then, several times protels upgrade politics were very obscure. Once (1996?) I sold the whole package and bought a new one, because it was cheaper than to upgrade. And as far as I remember, it never happened that they released

Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!

2002-09-10 Thread Tony Karavidas
And how about that 1 page online tour? I downloaded the app and installed it. Tried to open a SCH using File Open -Schematic, and got a dialog box that said: Files of type: PCB(*.sch) Nice start! It's a 'PCBSCH' file. LOL OK so I find the directory where they are hiding the demo files (you'd

Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!

2002-09-10 Thread Tony Karavidas
Yuck. Why don't you just run protel at home? If you (or anyone at work) isn't using it at work at the same time as you're using it at home, I think it's perfectly legal. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 6:51 AM

Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!

2002-09-10 Thread ttontis
never thought of it that way. I should look at the agreement, after all we are using a floating lisc. -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:48 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!

Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!

2002-09-10 Thread Frank Gilley
I called and asked them about this once, and they told me that it is perfectly fine to install it on multiple machines as long as only the purchased number of licences is in use at any one time. This makes it easy for me to work on stuff either at work or at home. Now that a major design

[PEDA] SP7 and beyond

2002-09-10 Thread Fabian Hartery
To all... It is obvious the major failings of DXP are no doubt due to a failure of Altium to survey its client base to see what would be truly desired within a new product. The 'we think you want' policy does work well when viewed against the 'we can go away' reaction. There *has* to be an

Re: [PEDA] You can't get there from here (I think)...

2002-09-10 Thread Robert M. Wolfe
Tim, One of my major complaints about Protel is its lack of assembly layer capability, there should be 2 other layers call them mechanical or whatever that automatically mirror AND change to a designated other layer when that part is pushed to bottom or top. The Top Bottom Overlay layers do this

Re: [PEDA] SP7 and beyond

2002-09-10 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Yes, there is pin swapping within DXP. This is a horrible pox. Why would anyone wish to declare pin 1 is really pin 5 ? That's not what pin swapping is supposed to be. Pin swapping is where the pins retain their proper numberings, but the nets that they are connected to can be swapped.

Re: [PEDA] You can't get there from here (I think)...

2002-09-10 Thread Robert M. Wolfe
Brad, The only problem I still see with this is the fact that this ONE mechanical layer is in fact still one layer and not easily if at all able to be separated out for the bottom assembly view. If there is a way I would love to hear it, I have in fact used a mechanical layer in my library for an

Re: [PEDA] SP7 and beyond

2002-09-10 Thread Robert M. Wolfe
I'm with ya Ivan, It's not just for 2 layer boards though. If you have 100 rpaks on a board it sure can come in handy. I STILL cannot believe that pingate swapping is not part of 99SE. It is a Royal PITA not to have that capability What a total waste of time and effort to have to go back

Re: [PEDA] You can't get there from here (I think)...

2002-09-10 Thread Brad Velander
Robert, you will see that I indicated that Protel/Altium needs a mechanical/assembly layer pairing just as most packages have or have had for many many years. I think that I heard on the DXP forum that this is a reality in DXP, no guarantees. Not that I care, DXP is a very distant glint

Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?)

2002-09-10 Thread JaMi Smith
Tony, See below, JaMi - Original Message - From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 2:48 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?) ~ ~ ~ === I'm getting tired or writing snip ::) Well

Re: [PEDA] SP7 and beyond

2002-09-10 Thread JaMi Smith
Excellent! Excellent! So simple, yet so elegantly stated! JaMi - Original Message - From: Fabian Hartery [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:14 AM Subject: [PEDA] SP7 and beyond ~ ~ ~ Like many others, I will support ATS if

Re: [PEDA] You can't get there from here (I think)...

2002-09-10 Thread Robert M. Wolfe
Brad, Thanks very much, I too looked at it that way but when I realized the step to unlock the primitives of all those parts was involved and like you say the number of steps and not being clean I totaly abandoned that idea. Everytime I thought I had a neat or better way to handle it there was

Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!

2002-09-10 Thread Jon Elson
Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: Wasn't AutoTrax the predecessor to Protel? I wonder if the original DOS code has been recycled into a Windows app? Did anyone on this list use the original DOS AutoTrax software? How does this compare? I used the original Protel Tango PCB, which I think was

Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!

2002-09-10 Thread Jon Elson
Tony Karavidas wrote: Yuck. Why don't you just run protel at home? If you (or anyone at work) isn't using it at work at the same time as you're using it at home, I think it's perfectly legal. The OLD user agreement definitely permitted this. I think they pulled this out about 3-4 years ago.

[PEDA] Board Shops with Online Quotes ?

2002-09-10 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
Hello, Purchasing is complaining about us buying so many boards without getting other quotes. I've done business with a couple other shops, but only for specialty work, like controlled impedance or an extreme dimension. I don't want to get quotes from these shops because it takes 2 weeks to

Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?)

2002-09-10 Thread JaMi Smith
Ian See below, JaMi - Original Message - From: Ian Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 3:51 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?) On 02:48 AM 10/09/2002 -0700, Tony Karavidas said: Hi Jami, ..snip..

Re: [PEDA] Board Shops with Online Quotes ?

2002-09-10 Thread Frank Gilley
Miker, I like these guys: http://www.prototron.com They usually get quotes back to me in a couple of hours, and I don't even use the online feature. Their quality is absolutely top-notch, but their pricing can be variable and sometimes out-of-line on simple stuff. They are quick to sharpen

Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?)

2002-09-10 Thread JaMi Smith
Michael, See below, JaMi - Original Message - From: Michael Reagan (EDSI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 5:44 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?) Jami wrote That is why I have floated several different

Re: [PEDA] Board Shops with Online Quotes ?

2002-09-10 Thread Dwight
We've had good results from Sierra Proto Express (www.protoexpress.com, which jumps to something else) for small quantities (10 boards), 4-layer stuff. Looks like they'll quote online up to 6-layer, 5/5 spacing. Once I submitted a quote request for a larger quantity, I think they responded in

Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?)

2002-09-10 Thread JaMi Smith
- Original Message - From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?) ~ ~ ~ JaMi, how do you know he's not still alive, sitting on a South American or

Re: [PEDA] You can't get there from here (I think)...

2002-09-10 Thread Joe Sapienza
Tim, Sorry I couldn't get back to you sooner. I'm on a US government contract and working in Isolation and on site for the remainder of the week. Not to mention I have to actually drive there. Anyway it appears that The answers to your questions were pretty well covered by other responses

Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?)

2002-09-10 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
I have hit monitors hard enough to break them when Protel 99 SE has screwed me up. JaMi, be careful with your rage. CRTs have a vacuum inside them, and can implode. The shower of glass shards could seriously injure you. When I was 11 years old (mid 1970's), I would salvage old TV sets from

Re: [PEDA] Board Shops with Online Quotes ?

2002-09-10 Thread Joe Sapienza
I've had really good results with these guys, good products, good pricing and great next day service. These are all the things I need. May not be the right choice for production quantities. I usually send them gerbers panels, for the most bang for the buck. http://www.accutrace.com/ -

Re: [PEDA] Board Shops with Online Quotes ?

2002-09-10 Thread Rene Tschaggelar
No, I cannot. I had to drop one supplier because they'd have my order laying around for a few days before processing it. On the other hand, the one processing the files there would call me in case he didn't understand something. The new supplier appears to have a dummy there. I recently forgot

Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?)

2002-09-10 Thread JaMi Smith
- Original Message - From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?) Yes Altium, I really do want my SP7 I second that motion. Actually, I believe

Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?)

2002-09-10 Thread JaMi Smith
Excellent! . . . Excellent! Yes Altium, I really really really do want my SP7! - Original Message - From: Rob Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?) I also couldn't

Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?)

2002-09-10 Thread Ian Wilson
On 02:36 PM 10/09/2002 -0700, JaMi Smith said: Protel / Altium is in trouble. That is obvious. You are making wild statements and they help no-one. You are excitable, you have said that much yourself, I suggest a couple of bex and lie down... Ian

[PEDA] I want my .... I want my... I want my SP7

2002-09-10 Thread Brooks,Bill
:) Bill Brooks * Tracking #: F90318EB8B2EE947B643C214A171187F29977808 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a

Re: [PEDA] Board Shops with Online Quotes ?

2002-09-10 Thread Jon Elson
Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: Hello, Purchasing is complaining about us buying so many boards without getting other quotes. I've done business with a couple other shops, but only for specialty work, like controlled impedance or an extreme dimension. I don't want to get quotes from these

Re: [PEDA] Cease the spam

2002-09-10 Thread JaMi Smith
Joe, I must have missed this post yesterday morning. Sorry to hear that, I hope it was his choice and he moved on to better things. Do you have any idea as to how just long he has been no longer employed at Kollmogren? Has it been for a some period of time, or was it very recent, like last

Re: [PEDA] DXP forum

2002-09-10 Thread Daniel Webster
Could someone advise me on how to review email archives from the DXP forum. I am interested in the discussion that has already transpired, but I just signed onto the forum today. Thanks, Daniel * Tracking #:

[PEDA] How To Make 99SE Usable?

2002-09-10 Thread Robert Ritchey
Hi all, I've had 99SE for almost a year but have used it very little. I am trying to use it now to make a composite of two boards I did in PCB 2.8 (still my favorite). I have a 750MHz dual-processor Dell system and 99SE just stops dead in the water when it is doing things, especially trying to

Re: [PEDA] DXP forum

2002-09-10 Thread John Williams
See: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dxptechforum/messages John Williams - Original Message - From: Daniel Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] DXP forum Could someone advise me on how to

Re: [PEDA] How To Make 99SE Usable?

2002-09-10 Thread Matt . VanDeWerken
Hi Robert: Turn off the online DRC, or at least be more selective about what you enable the on-line DRC for - this should improve your performance. Also, the autosave takes a little while every 15 inutes or so - you can increase the time interval for that. I run it on a PIII-500, and the

Re: [PEDA] DXP forum

2002-09-10 Thread Brad Velander
Daniel, to view the archives you must be logged in to Yahoo and view them from your groups. I had a problem with this as well and discovered I had to add the DXP forum to my groups and then log in after that. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc.

Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?)

2002-09-10 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Jami, Don't get me wrong I like a rebel with an attitude! March on troops but I think we are going to be left in the dust holding our breath waiting for SP7 even if we pay wish a premium on it.Protel would then be supporting 3 products, 99SE, DXP and Accel Pee Pee cad.I don think

Re: [PEDA] How To Make 99SE Usable?

2002-09-10 Thread Brad Velander
Robert, the other productivity enhancement in PCB is to hide your large nets, typically GND. To do this select nets in the explorer pane, double click on the net (GND), select hide. This will remove those delays where the status bar at the bottom of the page reads analyzing net GND.

Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!

2002-09-10 Thread Darren
Protel Autotrax is available for download on the Protel site as freeware. See at the bottom of the page... http://www.protel.com/resources/downloads/index.html It does support netlist also. I have it running on a HP Jornada 720 handheld pc using an dos emulator called pocketDOS. I haven't

[PEDA] Address select jumper using 0R links...

2002-09-10 Thread Damon Kelly
I need to select the address of a card using 0R (0805) links, and I want to create a footprint with 3 SM pads, and be able to specify the link be loaded 1-2 or 2-3, without having to manually edit the Pick and Place file. I don't mind using two different SCH components (since changing will happen

Re: [PEDA] How To Make 99SE Usable?

2002-09-10 Thread Mark Koitmaa
Bob, it sound like you are having performance problems because of too many rules. If so, the culprit is probably the Design Rule Translation wizard. It pops up the first time you open an imported P2.8 file. This wizard is not very smart and it often makes hundreds of needless or duplicate

Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!

2002-09-10 Thread DUTTON Phil
This looks a long way ahead of the original DOS Autotrax software. I expect that it's only a name similarity. Can't remember if it was 'Protel PCB' or 'AutoTrax' first (around 1986/87). Ran it on an XT. Only top, bottom and 2 planes, handful of track and pad sizes, no schematic editor and no

[PEDA] GTC - Guaranteed To Crash

2002-09-10 Thread Terry Creer

Re: [PEDA] GTC - Guaranteed To Crash

2002-09-10 Thread Darren
Hi Terry, No crash here with two mech and multilayer on, it just toggles through the 3 layers enabled? Darren -Original Message- From: Terry Creer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2002 12:22 I just discovered this. I had all copper layers turned off,

Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?)

2002-09-10 Thread JaMi Smith
Ian, Please see below, JaMi - Original Message - From: Ian Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?) On 02:36 PM 10/09/2002 -0700, JaMi Smith said: Protel / Altium

Re: [PEDA] GTC - Guaranteed To Crash

2002-09-10 Thread JaMi Smith
SHAZAM GOLLIE ! ! ! TOAST HERE TOO ! ! ! JaMi - Original Message - From: Terry Creer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 7:21 PM Subject: [PEDA] GTC - Guaranteed To Crash I just discovered this. I had all copper

Re: [PEDA] GTC - Guaranteed To Crash

2002-09-10 Thread Tony Karavidas
Confirmed! Wow that's a bugger! -Original Message- From: Terry Creer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 7:22 PM To: Protel EDA Forum (E-mail) Subject: [PEDA] GTC - Guaranteed To Crash I just discovered this. I had all copper layers turned off,

Re: [PEDA] GTC - Guaranteed To Crash

2002-09-10 Thread Tony Karavidas
Even more interesting: WinXP generates some error reports when this crash occurs (to report to MS if I say it's ok) and the two files appcompat.txt and client99se.exe.mdmp have a lot of interesting info in them. I can read some of the ASCII in the mdmp file: PCB:SetCurrentLayere current

Re: [PEDA] DXP - Crunch time?

2002-09-10 Thread Terry Harris
On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 02:48:33 +0100, I wrote: I like the PCB printer in 99SE, so I decide to find out what DXP has got instead. And as you read some time ago found not much that I liked. Playing some more today - investigating the inconsistent and irrational user interface I stumbled across an

Re: [PEDA] Cease the spam

2002-09-10 Thread Joe Sapienza
Jami, He had been gone for some time. They told my friend the VP that it was a response to some sort of virus, waiting for more info. Joe Yes Altium, I really do want my SP7! - Original Message - From: JaMi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: JaMi Smith

Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!

2002-09-10 Thread Joe Sapienza
Darren, I seem to be remembering 89, are you sure on that date or is my brain starting to fade? Joe - Original Message - From: Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!

[PEDA] Shazam Gollie! - Time Bomb?

2002-09-10 Thread JaMi Smith
What's goin' on here! Ok, so now how come all of a sudden bugs are crawling out of the woodwork here, and Protel 99 SE seems to be exploding every time someone touches it. How can some of these things have possibly been hiding in here for so long and never been discovered by any of you guys?

Re: [PEDA] GTC - Guaranteed To Crash

2002-09-10 Thread JaMi Smith
Tony, If those were attachments they ain't there anymore. JaMi - Original Message - From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] GTC - Guaranteed To Crash Even more interesting: WinXP

Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!

2002-09-10 Thread Tony Karavidas
Yeah, 1989. Red box, Protel Autotrax. (I still have a box sitting here!) -Original Message- From: Joe Sapienza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:01 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Darren, I seem to be

Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!

2002-09-10 Thread Darren
Joe, Looking in the AUTOTRAX manuals, dates of around late 1998 are used, for copyrights etc. This is for ver 1.0 I think. But 1986 is when I was using Protel PCB which I believe first shipped in 1985. Autotrax had at least 4 mid layers, I have no documentation on the Protel PCB product. There

Re: [PEDA] GTC - Guaranteed To Crash

2002-09-10 Thread Tony Karavidas
I make it a point to not attach to this (or any other) list. The data was interesting but probably only useful to Altium. If they ask for it, I'll supply it. About your other email: I think lately when some of those bugs are found by one person, the rest of us have been eager to try them on our

Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!

2002-09-10 Thread DUTTON Phil
That's Autotrax. Protel PCB would have been 1986. -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2002 1:03 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Yeah, 1989. Red box, Protel Autotrax. (I still have

Re: [PEDA] GTC - Guaranteed To Crash

2002-09-10 Thread JaMi Smith
Terry, Darren, Tony, OK, lets' look at some stats here. Terry, you found it, what OS are you running on what type of system. Darren, you say you did not crash or lock up, what OS are you running on what type of system. Tony, it appears that you tested a few different machines, is that so? and

Re: [PEDA] Board Shops with Online Quotes ?

2002-09-10 Thread Drew
Hello, I have not checked if any of the board shops below have online quotes. A subscriber of the SI-LIST put these together and I thought the contacts might be useful. Personally, I have had only positive experience with MEI, TTM, and Teradyne. By this I mean that I have no experience with

Re: [PEDA] GTC - Guaranteed To Crash (do I get my money back?)

2002-09-10 Thread Darren
My setup is: Protel 99SE SP6 Windows 2000 SP2 Pentium 4, 2GHz, 1GB DDR ram, 2 x 80G HDD (mirror), G550 Graphics 2 x 1600 x 1200, 32b/24b colour, LARGE FONTS. At the same time I have open Outlook 2002, DXP, a few IE 6.0.26, windows explorer, a few mails and Corel Draw ver 10. Mech layers

Re: [PEDA] GTC - Guaranteed To Crash

2002-09-10 Thread Tony Karavidas
-Original Message- From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:10 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Cc: JaMi Smith Subject: Re: [PEDA] GTC - Guaranteed To Crash Terry, Darren, Tony, OK, lets' look at some stats here. Terry, you found it, what

Re: [PEDA] GTC - Guaranteed To Crash

2002-09-10 Thread Terry Creer

Re: [PEDA] How To Make 99SE Usable?

2002-09-10 Thread Dwight Harm
just a thought, you should have SP6 installed. -Original Message- From: Robert Ritchey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:50 PM Hi all, I've had 99SE for almost a year but have used it very little. I am trying to use it now to make a composite of two

Re: [PEDA] Shazam Gollie! - Time Bomb?

2002-09-10 Thread Joey Nelson
Generally when an application blows up when I do something, I just stop doing it. I don't have time to figure out how to file a bug report. If a company wants to hear about their bugs from me they had better put a bug reporting tool right in the application and make it dead simple to use.

Re: [PEDA] Shazam Gollie! - Time Bomb?

2002-09-10 Thread Tony Karavidas
Not to jump all over you, but how do you suppose Altium is supposed to fix bugs if we don't report them? -Original Message- From: Joey Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:06 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Shazam Gollie! - Time

Re: [PEDA] GTC - Guaranteed To Crash

2002-09-10 Thread Ian Wilson
On 12:34 PM 11/09/2002 +1000, Darren said: Hi Terry, No crash here with two mech and multilayer on, it just toggles through the 3 layers enabled? Darren Are you using '*' ot '+' key to toggle through the layers. Have you remapped '*' to toggle through all the layers or is it still the

Re: [PEDA] GTC - Guaranteed To Crash

2002-09-10 Thread Matt . VanDeWerken
Mine didn't crash (2 mech layers + multilayer all on) Running P99SE, SP6, win2k sp3. Cheers, Matthew van de Werken Electronics Engineer CSIRO Exploration Mining - Gravity Group 1 Technology Court - Pullenvale - Qld - 4069 ph: (07) 3327 4685 fax: (07) 3327 4455 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [PEDA] GTC - Guaranteed To Crash

2002-09-10 Thread Darren
Hi Ian, I haven't changed the shortcut, this is what the short properties are: Process PCB:SetCurrentLayer ParaLayerName = NextSignal It will toggle through the electrical layers when there are some, else toggle through the enabled layers when no electrical layers are enabled.