Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Pin-type power - why?

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
is the special ERC facility, i.e., back to where we are now Abd ul-Rahman Lomax LOMAX DESIGN ASSOCIATES PCB design, consulting, and training Protel EDA brokering (resale) services Sonoma, California, USA (707) 939-7021, efax (419) 730-4777 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Suggestions for improving Protel...

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
be valuable. Again, I can do it manually with some trouble. Abd ul-Rahman Lomax LOMAX DESIGN ASSOCIATES PCB design, consulting, and training Protel EDA brokering (resale) services Sonoma, California, USA (707) 939-7021, efax (419) 730-4777 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Pin-type power - why?

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:03 PM 2/4/01 +, Steve Wiseman wrote: I'm about to stop using the power pintype - it doesn't seem to gain me anything. The plan is to use in out instead. This will let the netlist checker confirm that there's a driver to each power net, which is something that I don't currently get with

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Help with a daughter board

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
the block is still selected, should then be edited to restore them to right-reading. (Using L to flip sides, in this case, would make more of a mess). Abd ul-Rahman Lomax LOMAX DESIGN ASSOCIATES PCB design, consulting, and training Protel EDA brokering (resale) services Sonoma, California, USA

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: PCB translation: Protel to Orcad ANDOrcad to Protel

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
in the same format that they use internally. Your assistance with this is greatly appreciated. I have some experience with this. First question, what version OrCAD? Abd ul-Rahman Lomax LOMAX DESIGN ASSOCIATES PCB design, consulting, and training Protel EDA brokering (resale) services Sonoma, California

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: PCB translation: Protel to Orcad ANDOrcad to Protel

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:15 AM 2/7/01 -0800, you wrote: I also need to do these translations. Currently I am trying to get from Orcad Capture 7.2 to Protel 99 SE. That is from an Orcad schematic to Protel layout. I am not interested in bring the schematic into Protel, only the netlist. I have tried various Orcad

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Just a hole

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:46 AM 2/8/01 -0800, Andrew Lowy Sybrandy wrote: What is the best way to put a mounting hole in a PCB? I had a CAM HOLD put on a job I sent to Advanced Circuits. They said all the holes, which I defined as pads with zero X and Y size and the appropriate hole size, shorted out the two inner

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Just a hole

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:07 PM 2/9/01 -0500, Brian Guralnick wrote: Traces in the middle layers under a mounting hole can still be damaged by screws being tightened just above. Has anyone actually seen this? Unless the board is massively deformed, I'd be somewhat surprised. Abd ul-Rahman Lomax LOMAX

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Annotating Schematic

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
for the Annotate Tool, including the Advanced tab? Abd ul-Rahman Lomax LOMAX DESIGN ASSOCIATES PCB design, consulting, and training Protel EDA brokering (resale) services Sonoma, California, USA (707) 939-7021, efax (419) 730-4777 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: System Monitor

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
of the system performance? I wouldn't expect Windows to do something that wasn't real! LOL!! -Original Message- ... That's because the system resources that are monitored are not related to the total memory that you have. It measures the amount of system table area that is remaining. Abd ul-Rahman

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Annotating Schematic

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
to take a look at the schematic. I'm assuming that a copy of the schematic also displays the same behavior. Drew -Original Message- From: TSListServer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Abd ul-Rahman Lomax Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 11:13 PM To: Multiple recipients

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: CAM Manager issue (ex Inner Power Planeclearances)

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:40 PM 2/13/01 +1100, Geoff Harland wrote: The idea of putting tracks on a Mechanical layer, and then including the contents of that (Mechanical) layer with just *some* of the Gerber files produced, to wit, the (Gerber) files produced from the internal power plane layers (only), raises the

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: DRC --ATTN Mr.Lomax

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:01 PM 2/14/01 -0800, Brad Velander wrote: Dennis, can you be more specific in your learning the board? I think I know what you mean but I am not exactly sure there is not some other process that I don't know about. Do you mean generating a netlist from the existing board

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: test: my posts make it to the forum,right?

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I've quoted the full headers and cc'd this to Mr. Lundsten as well; perhaps this will be of some use. Sometimes list servers can be configured to send copies of incoming posts to all subscribers except the author. Usually, I think, the default is that the author also gets a copy; on

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Rectangle holes

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Perhaps I should read ahead, instead of popping in so quickly. I see that Mr. Wasti has at least partially answered my questions (under the subject of Optimum Routing inside radius, was: Rectangle holes): At 09:52 AM 2/15/01 -0800, Hamid A. Wasti wrote: ... It is a fact of life that the

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Error Message and now it won't work

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:42 PM 2/12/01 -0800, Marty Beck wrote: I got an error that said access violation at address OE271BF0 in module AdvSch.dll read of address 0046 and now Protel won't open any file or respond in any other way. Any suggestions. Should I reload Protel? I was just starting to get some

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Suggestions for improving Protel...

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I was reminded again today of the old Tango complete route command. It was assigned to the forward slash key and it would interrupt the current route and reduce the display rat's nest connection line to track. It really shined when it came to doing gridded design with round off-grid pads. You

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: complex Multi-level schematics...

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:14 PM 2/12/01 -0600, Jon Elson wrote: In a hierarchical schematic, you need to connect the power to the child sheets on the master sheet(s), just like you connect the signals. This is true if normal net labels are used to establish power. However, power ports and hidden pins establish

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Designator conventions?!

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:24 PM 2/13/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Even the term Designator conventions smacks of oxymoron. I am trying to create a company library database and SOP for design. I have many Engineers with various cultural backgrounds, some of which use some pretty weird ID's and symbols.

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Deleted Power Planes

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:32 PM 2/13/01 -0600, Micky Blain wrote: I have deleted a power plane from my design. It seems that SP6 is not taking this off of the design. I think I remember this subject being discussed but I was swamped at the time and it was a few weeks back. Does anyone know how to get the plane off

[PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Control of auto-load on Client startup

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Sometimes a consistent crash on startup of Client is due to a defective database which is being loaded automatically. There may be a key command, as I recall, which will interrupt the startup, but I don't recall what it is. It isn't ESC. [It ought to be.] In any case, I took my file

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Inner Power Plane clearances ISO

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:46 AM 2/13/01 -0800, Dennis Saputelli wrote: on the other side I once had a shop put a board on hold for a week because the fab print said 8.000 but they said the board Gerbers measured 7.999 I pointed out that they have a 5 mil outside routing tolerance, but they responded that they were

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Synchronizing design problems

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:38 PM 2/13/01 -0500, Bryan Bernesi wrote: Now, I fixed all my ports, net labels, RefDes, etc... When I try to Update PCB I get the errors Net Already exists What do I do? Just to let you know my scenario, my PCB already has all the components placed as I want them... The only thing

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: importing a netlist to Protel

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:47 PM 2/13/01 -0800, Forum Administrator wrote: There are many alternatives to attaching a file to a discussion group post, but if you feel you really must, at least be considerate of your fellow subscribers and keep attachments under 50K and ALWAYS compress (zip) the file. Let me put

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Gerbers and octagonal pads

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
at the Gerbers with CAMtastic before sending out the files. It is almost one-button once you know what buttons to push. Abd ul-Rahman Lomax LOMAX DESIGN ASSOCIATES PCB design, consulting, and training Protel EDA brokering (resale) services Sonoma, California, USA (707) 939-7021, efax (419) 730

[PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: apparent Pad/Net lowercase bug

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Here I was getting ready to send a job off for photoplot and it entered my head that I ought to practice what I preach and reload the net list. Much to my surprise, I got 224 macros: U3 has 112 pins Nets report For try2layer On 15-Feb-2001 at 19:25:12 Statistics 112 Redundant Nodes

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Inner Power Plane clearances ISO

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:18 PM 2/13/01 -0600, Jon Elson wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 10:46 AM 2/13/01 -0800, Dennis Saputelli wrote: on the other side I once had a shop put a board on hold for a week because the fab print said 8.000 but they said the board Gerbers measured 7.999 Especially

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Update PCB Errors/Oscillations (was:app arent Pad/Net lowercase bug)

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:22 AM 2/16/01 -0800, Brad Velander wrote: Steve, I have seen similar behaviour from time to time with SP6 and SP5. Usually our designs have been imported from P98 origin files. I believe the problems come from the intermediate layer between SCH and PCB where the components are

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: PDF and/or Postscript generation withover-bars?

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
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Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: I just made a big screwup

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:43 AM 2/13/01 -0600, Matt Pobursky wrote: Again, my sincere apologies for the false alarm. Actually, I am grateful, both for the warning and for the retraction. Viruses are very serious business, and it is better to take the risk of looking foolish than to wait until one is absolutely

[PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: testing, please ignore

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
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Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: having W2k installed, can I run...

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:13 AM 2/13/01 -0800, Peter Bennett wrote: And I just discovered a problem with Protel 99SE/SP5 under Win2000 that doesn't seem to occur under Win98. With Win2000, Protel crashed when trying to unhide component comments on a PCB, or when copying that PC to a new one - both operations seem

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Anyone there?/SCH-PCB Sync.

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:53 AM 2/16/01 -0800, Dennis Saputelli wrote: I too have been wary of the synchronizer the method you describe is what we use, it seems to work fine and is not very hard The older netlist method is simple and easy to understand. If something seems weird you have a net list you can read.

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Print Preview handling of Multilayerobj ects.

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I found this message I had missed while I was travelling last year. I think the matter was left in a less than satisfactory state At 03:09 PM 12/19/00 -0800, Brad Velander wrote: Thanks for your input. I will have to look at possibly using the mechanical layers and see how that

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Library Problem!!!

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:24 PM 2/26/01 +0800, Yu-Ming Luo wrote: But when I try to place a component from the library list, I get a MIRRORED component, It's to say that when I try to place it on the top layer, but it appears on the bottom layer, only a mirrored designator on the top overlay. What are the part

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: IMPORTING TANGO FILES

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:58 PM 2/26/01 -0600, Mark Gavett wrote: Tango DOS can be imported via the Protel 2.8 import interface. I had to import some of the older Tango files myself. I will mention that there is usually some minor touch up after the import process especially the reference alignments. I've known

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]:List etiquette and engineering positions

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:56 PM 2/26/01 -0600, Heart wrote: I know this is probably a sensitive question so I want to put it out as openly as possible. I use Protel for a good part of everyday with heavy emphasis on the Simulation part. I appreciate this user list and the fact that it is not full of sales

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: newbie can't get power and groundplanes to connect up

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:36 AM 2/28/01 +1100, John Haddy wrote: Also... not sure if this applies. But do not connect Power Ports directly to pins, always run a small piece of wire from the pin... I seem to remember it not connecting properly if conencted directly to the pin. Power Ports are essentially

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: newbie can't get power and groundplanes to connect up

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:21 PM 2/27/01 -0700, Gordon Price wrote: Hi Everyone, I thought I was paying close attention to all the chatter on this net but apparently I have missed the boat again. I have a master schematic and 4 (flat) sub schematics that globally reference the following net names I have

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: IMPORTING TANGO FILES

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:03 PM 2/26/01 -0600, iris mejma wrote: DO YOU KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO IMPORT A SCHEMATIC FILE FROM TANGO TO PROTEL? It's theoretically possible; the Tango Schematic ASCII database is easily readable and I got perhaps halfway through writing a translator. I don't know if Router

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: To ERC Or Not To ERC (an aside tonewbie can't get power...)

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:26 AM 2/28/01 -0600, David W. Gulley wrote: Similarly, not understanding and validating the ERC errors is just like not reviewing the DRC errors. The reality of today's design environment is a perception that there is no time to fix all those phony errors. The old canard is There is

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: misc queries

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:23 PM 3/1/01 +0200, Stefan Zwahlen wrote: Hi to all I have been using 99SE for about a year and wonder if anybody can help me with some solutions to a few problems that I experiance with it. (service pack 5 installed) 1.Its difficult to see the ratsnest. Changing the connection color

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Schematic arc problems

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:59 AM 3/5/01 -0700, Eric Albach wrote: I am having a difficult time using arcs in 99SE schematics. Once created they are nearly impossible to move or change properties. I do not find that to be the case. I can only move them by placing text nearby, selecting both and then

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Schematic arc problems

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:41 PM 3/5/01 -0500, Brian Guralnick wrote: My big thing about the ARCs is after deleting, or editing them, they leave these invisible flash points on your PCB which create weird obstacles, or if these invisible points have nets, they cause the autorouter to seek them out and create

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Autorouter recommendations.

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
, etc. The fastest way I know to do this is to draw over the routes with loop removal turned on. It is much faster than deleting them and replacing them. Abd ul-Rahman Lomax LOMAX DESIGN ASSOCIATES PCB design, consulting, and training Protel EDA brokering (resale) services Sonoma, California, USA

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Protel/PCAD exchange

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Because of a system glitch, this did not get out when I wrote it. It might still have some relevance. At 05:51 PM 2/27/01 -03-30, Fabian Hartery wrote: ... For me, the Protel import of PCAD was so-so, with a need to realign reference designators and part values (not too bad). Nevertheless, in

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Confused Newbie on Footprints

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:57 PM 3/3/01 -0500, Duane Hague wrote: For example, on QFPs the same manufacturer will refer to a part as having a 25 mill (0.025 inch) pin pitch and then provide a package drawing in metric showing a pitch of 0.65 millimeters Typical (and the other dimensions on the drawing indicate

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: What happened with forum?

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Forum is up and appears to be functioning normally, so there must be a routing/delivry problem. Abd ul-Rahman Lomax LOMAX DESIGN ASSOCIATES PCB design, consulting, and training Protel EDA brokering (resale) services Sonoma, California, USA (707) 939-7021, efax (419) 730-4777 [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Confused Newbie on Footprints

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:59 PM 3/3/01 -0800, Mike Ingle wrote: I strongly reccomend that you get a sample part from the manufacturer and measure it yourself. Also if their documentation is confilcting, a call wouldn't hurt. Good advice. Actually, rereading the original post, it looks like there is only one

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Printing to PDF...

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:25 PM 3/2/01 +1100, Thomas wrote: Try the adobe web site. Mine came with acrobat pdf writer v4. I got my copy of PDF writer when my wife bought an Olympus digital camera. Adobe PhotoDeluxe Home Edition was included. I had installed the photo program and one day I went to print something

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Schematic arc problems

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Summary: zero-length arcs (i.e. arc distance of zero) seem to be impossible to create, and this is what I would expect. Zero-radius arcs show some display problems. Zero-length track disappears without being deleted, and this is a bug. At 10:38 AM 3/6/01 +1100, Ian Wilson wrote: It is a bug

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Confused Newbie on Footprints

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:50 AM 3/7/01 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Point taken if it is in the decimal form but 0.1 inch is 1/10 of an inch and if you think of it as a fraction rather than a decimal, the fraction has got to be a more acurate measurment than a rounded decimal. No, there is no difference

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: misc queries

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:11 PM 3/1/01 -0700, Colby - PowerStream wrote: Move Drag (MD) and Move Component (MC) will only drag connected tracks if the Component Drag mode is set to Connected Tracks rather than None. Use Tools-Preferences to set the component drag option (bottom right of dialog). Ian

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Add New Layer

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:00 PM 3/1/01 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been asked to create a new layer for a format with the company information included. We would like to place this information on a specific layer (Format). Basically, you enable a new mech layer (Design/MechanicalLayers). You can also

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: ERC rule matrix

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:28 AM 3/7/01 -0600, David Cary wrote: I think that that the ``Design | Create Symbol from Sheet'' dialog box asking about Confirm: Reverse Input/Output Directions ? is pretty silly -- the right answer is always No.. Is there ever a good reason to hit Yes ? Hmm... If the right answer is

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Importing OrCAD Libraries

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:40 PM 3/8/01 -0500, Larry Carter wrote: After importing a custom library from OrCAD 9.2 I noticed two issues. 1. In OrCAD I defined a square area on the top solder mask as a copper pour and did not see it after importing to Protel 99 SP 6. (Help states that OrCAD copper pours will

Re: [PEDA] Protel 99SE SP5 ... strange access vio errors ...

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
This post was to the list *and* to Protel North America Support. So the default reply would have also cc'd them. This is not kind. If one really must ask Support a question at the same time -- and I can see how a designer up against the wall might want to do that -- use the BCC header, not CC

Re: [PEDA] Printing drill marks on Gerber output

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:30 AM 3/11/01 +0100, GrandMasterFlash wrote: I use Protel to design PCB as a non professionnal user. So I wonder if it is possible to print drill marks (that is to say a white point in the center of pads) when generating Gerber output files. Open the CAM Outputs for... folder that you

Re: [PEDA] ERC warnings

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
even at great expense. Abd ul-Rahman Lomax LOMAX DESIGN ASSOCIATES PCB design, consulting, and training Protel EDA brokering (resale) services Sonoma, California, USA (707) 939-7021, efax (419) 730-4777 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [PEDA] ERC warnings

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:43 PM 3/10/01 +0100, Rudolf Schaffer wrote: When using Only Ports Global in a flat design, how can i avoid ERC warning messages (with default matrix) for unconnected inputs without WIRING all the ports in the master sheet containing the sheet symbols? Only Ports Global is used, as

Re: [PEDA] Protel default Vcc hidden power pins

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:29 AM 3/14/01 +, Coleman, Tim wrote: With regard to power pins on multiple part components(or even large single part components like a uP or memory). We create a 'power part' that has just the power pins and any NC pins. This part of the component is then placed as part of the power

Re: [PEDA] Protel default Vcc hidden power pins

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:23 AM 3/14/01 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As chip designers tend to show ambition in specifying three and more power supplies for one chip, there is not much use in the hidden pin feature any more. The vast majority of integrated circuits in designs which cross my desk are

Re: [PEDA] Use Pad Stack

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:40 AM 3/14/01 -0800, Brad Velander wrote: Geoff, Abd-ul Rahman or others following this thread, first I am curious about the comments on routing to a single layer unplated pad. I have single layer unplated pads in most everyone of our designs and find no problem routing to them,

Re: [PEDA] Does newest version of Orcad import well into Protel.. .

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:38 AM 3/14/01 -0500, Michael Reynolds wrote: Can you just globally change the 28mil holes to something else once it is imported back into Protel? Is there a problem if you have a 20mil via and the hole is changed from 10mil to 28mil thereby causing the hole to be larger than the via pad?

Re: [PEDA] Protel Port/Hierarchy Checker Program Available

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:39 PM 3/12/01 -0800, Mike Coward wrote: I'm new to the forum, but in the spirit of giving something back: We had lots of problems here in our hierarchical designs with having our ports not match on sheets and their sheet symbol. The Protel ERC couldn't seem to detect the two most

Re: [PEDA] Strange behavior on unconnected pins

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:08 PM 3/14/01 -03-30, Fabian Hartery wrote: I have some real strange behavior going on with the dreaded hidden pins. These are being assigned sub-nets and are showing global netlist behavior where none exists. That means, a floating terminal of part 1, pin 2, is shown associated with pin 2

Re: [PEDA] Protel default Vcc hidden power pins

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:04 AM 3/15/01 +1100, Ian Wilson wrote: Personally, I would mark *all* parts of my multi-part components as must place. This ensures spare gates etc are visible and any floating inputs are detected. Note that my suggested tool, Place unused parts of multi-part components, would satisfy

Re: [PEDA] Use Pad Stack

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
It's important to realize that CAD programs may be thoroughly checked for bugs, but when they hit the real world, they may be fed data that was not anticipated and therefore the behavior of the program has not been tested. Further, whenever we attempt to do something non-standard, we are not

Re: [PEDA] Protel default Vcc hidden power pins

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:36 PM 3/13/01 -0600, John Lemburg wrote: I would like to make a brief comment about hiding power pins. I have been burned. My advice to anyone who thinks this is a good idea is don't do it. Show everything where nothing is assumed to be connected. This allows proper identification of all

Re: [PEDA] Bypass Caps (was: Protel default Vcc hidden power pins)

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:11 PM 3/14/01 +1100, you wrote: What we really need is a flag for a component that says that a component of class X must be located within Y mm. We don't need/want to specify which particular component is the bypass cap for that particular chip, just that one of a class of components must

Re: [PEDA] Strange behavior on unconnected pins

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:44 AM 3/15/01 +1100, Ian Wilson wrote: There should be a quick way to make top and bottom component classes and assign them to already placed parts. Anyone know one? Design|Classes click Component tab, click Class Generator - take it from there. Never tried it myself. From the

Re: [PEDA] Protel default Vcc hidden power pins

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:07 PM 3/14/01 -0600, David W. Gulley wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: The vast majority of integrated circuits in designs which cross my desk are single-supply, and the majority of designs have only two power nets: ground and one other. And as has been demonstrated so many times

Re: [PEDA] DRC error message

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:48 AM 3/14/01 -0600, you wrote: After finishing a rather large surface mount board, I ran a DRC and received a error message attempted to write or delete a protected file or directory immediately before the program ran. After the DRC ran it did not give a report. Does anyone know why

Re: [PEDA] Use Pad Stack

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:17 AM 3/14/01 +1100, Geoff Harland wrote: Out of curiosity, what do you suggest should be done in a situation where someone wants an unplated hole through a PCB, and this hole is to pass through the middle of a pad on the bottom (copper) layer? Before making a suggestion, I would

Re: [PEDA] Stepping up

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:44 AM 3/13/01 +, Terry Harris wrote: I am thinking of making a panel with a set of 4 PCBS on it whch to the board house looks like one plot/screen charge and a bit of extra routing. Any thoughts on the best way to do this? Sure. Consult with the fab house as to how to place the

Re: [PEDA] Protel User Group Meeting at PCB West 2001

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Hooray! We didn't even have to make a fuss this year. Congratulations, Protel! At 10:29 AM 3/14/01 +1100, Protel CSC wrote: PCB West Thursday March 22nd from 7.30am - 9.30am Westin Hotel, Lafayette Room Even though the hour is totally insane, I know that it is made necessary by the schedule.

Re: [PEDA] Protel default Vcc hidden power pins

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:21 PM 3/13/01 -0700, Gordon Price wrote: Ladies Gents, How do you globally fix hidden power pins(from Protel library parts) that go to a net called Vcc, to go to a fully defined and existing layer that has a net name of +3.3V Two ways: (1) Edit the library part so that the

Re: [PEDA] Protel default Vcc hidden power pins

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:06 PM 3/15/01 +1100, Ian Wilson wrote: [I had written:] course our experience differs. However, I think that if we could collect statistics on the designs actually being made with Protel all over the world, the majority would be single supply (or dual-supply analog, which amounts to

Re: [PEDA] Protel default Vcc hidden power pins

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:28 PM 3/15/01 +1100, you wrote: On 06:02 PM 14/03/2001 -0800, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said: At 10:04 AM 3/15/01 +1100, Ian Wilson wrote: Personally, I would mark *all* parts of my multi-part components as must place. This ensures spare gates etc are visible and any floating inputs

Re: [PEDA] Use Pad Stack

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:42 PM 3/15/01 +1100, Ian Wilson wrote: We seem to be locking horns today ;-) If one does not lock horns every so often, they become ingrown. :-) On 05:58 PM 14/03/2001 -0800, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said: It's important to realize that CAD programs may be thoroughly checked for bugs

[PEDA] Data Converter PCB design online design seminar

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I just was informed of an on-line seminar that might be of interest to many of our readers. It is timed rather unfortunately to coincide with PCB Design Conference West, but for those who are not going to the Design Conference Data Converter Layout Pitfalls: Millivolts and Picoseconds

Re: [PEDA] MM's VS Mils

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:34 PM 3/14/01 -0800, Jim Mcgrath wrote: Hi all, Accurate conversion is the key. NOT that metric rules. Both exist and must be dealt with. You can run your version in metric any time you want. But if things don't convert correctly things get messed up.Mils is MY prefered work enviroment.

Re: [PEDA] MM's VS Mils

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:41 PM 3/15/01 +1100, Les Grant wrote: Perhaps I have missed something here but are you implying that conversion from metric is exact but conversion from imperial is approximate? 1 inch = 1000 mil = 25.4mm exactly, both ways. So conversion from inch to mm is exact. But what about the other

Re: [PEDA] Protel Port/Hierarchy Checker Program Available

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
to the filespace for [EMAIL PROTECTED], zipped with documentation as portcheck.zip. It is written in Perl; a URL for obtaining a Perl interpreter is given in the readme file. Thanks to Mr. Coward for providing this utility. Abd ul-Rahman Lomax LOMAX DESIGN ASSOCIATES PCB design, consulting, and training

Re: [PEDA] Use Pad Stack

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:18 AM 3/15/01 -0800, Brad Velander wrote: Abd-ul Rahman how can you define a single layer pad with a hole as pushing the envelope? I have used this type of design in at least three CAD packages over the years and extensively in P98, all successfully. So where is it defined that

Re: [PEDA] Reading Tango PCB into P99SE

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:46 PM 3/15/01 -0800, you wrote: Does anyone know if P99SE can read this old Tango format? This example is the start of the file I'm trying to read. Protel doesn't complain about the file, when when I load it, I don't see anything, just a blank PCB space Yes. That's what you get when

Re: [PEDA] Netlist will not load

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:32 AM 3/16/01 -0500, Mike Reagan wrote: Thank you Mr. Lomax, For you input so eloquently expressed. I would have eliminated the parts of the netlist, however it would have been counter productive to goals. Ultimately, of course, one would have to load the entire net list. But that

Re: [PEDA] Use Pad Stack

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:43 AM 3/15/01 -0700, Bruce admin wrote: I read your email and thought I would throw in my two cents worth. The following comments are meant more for educational purposes, and not to flame your email. The technology in our field is rapidly changing, and we need to help each other keep

Re: [PEDA] Use Pad Stack

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:55 PM 3/15/01 -0800, Brad Velander wrote: Abd-ul Rahman, Not that it warrants arguing over but you and I just have different views. You say a single layer pad is a SMT pad. I say a single layer pad is the most ancient of all pads and originally in it's concept had a drill even

Re: [PEDA] Netlist will not load

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:51 PM 3/16/01 -0500, Mike Reagan wrote: [I had written:] I don't call those medium to large designs, I call them very large designs. The largest design I've ever encountered in my entire career -- so far -- was 8000 pins. Pins, not nets. I didn't do it -- impossible with Tango --

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Printing to PDF...

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:16 PM 3/16/01 -0700, Eric Albach wrote: [...]I was glad to see that PDF writer is on the Adobe PhotoDeluxe Home Edition CD. I installed it just for the PDF writer. It works well for Protel 99SE SP6 and SP5 PCB but will not work for schematics. Printing from a schematic does not bring up

Re: [PEDA] Netlist now small jobs

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:23 PM 3/17/01 -0500, Mike Reagan wrote: Abdul. Don't get me wrong I will do a small jobs for good or new customers. When I find myself doing to many small jobs for the same customer and they did not award me a large design, I quit responding to their next request for quote. Send 'em

Re: [PEDA] P99SE opening Tango PCB files

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:06 PM 3/15/01 -0800, Tony Karavidas wrote: I found my old Protel 2.8 floppies and installing it on a Window2000 system. Well, I'm glad that Mr. Karavidas has solved his problem. Protel: Why did you break the importer!?? Please fix it! I don't what to have to drag around Protel2.8 for this

Re: [PEDA] P99SE opening Tango PCB files

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:16 PM 3/15/01 -0800, Tony Karavidas wrote: I'm not sure I agree. They had source code for a Tango ASCII imported with 2.8. I don't think Protel has ever done a re-write from the ground up, so why couldn't this source have been carried through 3.x, P98, and to P99 as most of us are using

[PEDA] Cadence has been watching!

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I became aware more than a year ago that a highly-placed Cadence official had subscribed to this list. In his position, wouldn't you? Now it seems that Cadence may have taken a clue from the success of this list in supporting Protel users. I spoke with the official at last year's PCB Design

Re: [PEDA] Signal Integrity Designator Mapping

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:25 PM 3/20/01 -0800, Jim Mcgrath wrote: I don't know if this helps but connectors are typically J designators. I use CN for cap networks. I hope I didn't miss the point as Mr. Lomax catches me on from time to time. I hope that Mr. Mcgrath and others are not shy to respond to this list

Re: [PEDA] Mapping connected copper to the same net

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:53 AM 3/21/01 +1000, van de Werken, Matthew (DEM, PH) wrote: I'm pulling my hair out here - there must be a way of doing this, but I can't find it: Don't pull your hair out. That's an OrCAD procedure. I've inherited a board from someone else, with most of the tracks routed (I've had to

Re: [PEDA] BOM

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:56 PM 3/20/01 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to create a Bill Of Materials from the schematic, and import it directly into the assembly drawing. Is there a way to do this, and could someone please help. As others have said, there is no direct way, at least not as far as I am

Re: [PEDA] Questions about upgrading to 99SE

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:13 PM 3/22/01 -0500, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: My question is: do I have to install the old Protel software on my new PC before I install the 99SE upgrade? No. The 99SE distribution CD is a complete stand-alone product. Then download and install SP6, and you will be running the

Re: [PEDA] Protel 99 SE / SP5 ... dead ... won't run ... nightmare ...help

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I'm not sure I have any solutions, but maybe just talking it over will turn something up. At 06:16 PM 3/22/01 -0600, John Lemburg wrote: Under Windows NT4 have been running Protel 99 SE with SP5 for months. No problems. 1. Was using Protel, schematic, had ddb up and working, did a template

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