[PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: video cards

2001-05-07 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Hello, all: I am trying to decide what video card to buy in my new PC (Athlon, DDR). I would like to know what cards are stable and fast for use with 99SE and Win2K. Also, I would like to know what cards to avoid. My local PC shop will use any card I specify, but is recommending the Elsa

Re: [PEDA] Protel default Vcc hidden power pins

2001-05-07 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
I would like to make a brief comment about hiding power pins. I have been burned. My advice to anyone who thinks this is a good idea is don't do it. Show everything where nothing is assumed to be connected. I second this motion! Which snake are you more likely to get bitten by: the one

Re: [PEDA] Protel default Vcc hidden power pins

2001-05-07 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Of course. Every company must have standards. But any engineer who is confused by hidden pins is either new or has not been paying attention. Newbies and Out-To-Lunch'ies are very common in our industry. We were all newbies once. Hopefully we were never OTL's. Do you get a kick out of

[PEDA] Questions about upgrading to 99SE

2001-05-07 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Hello, all: I have purchased the upgrade to Protel 99SE. It has been sitting in the box for about 3 months now, waiting for my new computer hardware to arrive. The old computer (circa 1996 Dell) can't run 99SE. Not enough RAM (64MB, can't add more). I decided to go with a dual P-III PC133

Re: [PEDA] Questions about upgrading to 99SE

2001-05-07 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Congratulations on the new computer! Just for curiosity's sake, how much RAM did you get installed? (By now, you know what I think on the subj...) I haven't decided between 512MB or 1GB yet, but I probably will go with 1GB, since I won't be able to upgrade it 2 years from now (PC133 SDRAM

Re: [PEDA] Protel Support Came Thru ... Hooray!!

2001-05-07 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
aj said: I have no life. ...snip... I have a life. And you are also schizophrenic ;-) / :-( Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: http://www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Andrew J Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: [PEDA] OT: Unused CMOS inputs (was: Reference)

2001-05-07 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
I tie unused pins to VCC or GND depending on which is the easiest net to reach for that given pin. For example, if I am routing traces for a 74HC14 hex inverter, and I don't use 5 of the inverters, I tie the inputs of the unused gates on the pin 1 side of the chip to GND, and the inputs of

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: having W2k installed, can I run...

2001-05-07 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
- Original Message - From: Andrew J Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] W2k doesn't really like obsolete equipment. The same can be said for all flavors of W9x though, so I'm not sure that it's a valid downside. You be the judge. OK. I judge that equipment that is still useful is NOT obsolete.

Re: [PEDA] New on-line PCB quoting service for Protel 99 SE

2001-07-11 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
All ranting aside, has anyone (any real PCB designers, that is) actually used the AutoRFQ thingy yet? I would be interested to know how effective it is at getting competitive quotes from REPUTABLE PCB shops. With regard to the NDA stuff, the marketing fluff says it extracts the minimum

Re: [PEDA] perimeter stitched ground vias question

2001-07-11 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
At the 1999 PCB east conference I learned about the 20H rule. This rule simply put states that EMI can be substantially reduced by keeping the power planes back from the edge of the ground planes by 20 time the dielectric thickness between the two planes. This would be a lot easier to

Re: [PEDA] need uMAX10 footprint

2001-07-13 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
the best number of standards is either one or infinity sorry to have rambled and good luck with your footprint Dennis Saputelli Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: Hello, all: Does anyone have a land pattern (footprint) for the uMAX10 package? If so, I would appreciate a copy of it. Please

Re: [PEDA] need uMAX10 footprint

2001-07-13 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
file to email it. That way I can fax a print Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Bagotronix Tech

Re: [PEDA] need uMAX10 footprint

2001-07-13 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
one last thought on this it may not matter what footprint you use because when you really get rolling and really need the chips they won't be available it is Maxim you know :) Yeah, they stink when it comes to parts availability. Their parts are great, if you can get 'em. I try to avoid

[PEDA] got what I needed; thanks

2001-07-13 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Hello, all: I got the info about the uMAX10 land pattern that I needed. Some kind folks on the Protel group helped me. Thanks. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message:

Re: [PEDA] Keypad land pattern design

2001-07-24 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
i've got that quote you asked for. you know 15 .lbs of sh*t in a ziploc sandwich bag. we can do that for free and it has a half life of 33 million years. A half-life of 33 million years. That's some powerful sh*t... ;-) Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website:

Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone

2001-07-25 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
You may prefer but the vast majority if people responding do not want another mail list it seems... Mr. Wilson, we know, is allergic to new lists and only accepts them with difficulty. However, there will need to be a *lot* of detailed discussion, I don't think a new list is needed to

Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone

2001-07-26 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
As for part naming, I think that only exact part numbers, down to the full suffix will do in such a database. Though you can search for just the prefixes in the database, we don't need the 'Napster' equivalent happening here, but it will happen anyways. The problem with full suffix is

Re: [PEDA] Divdide and conquer: a lib. for everyone

2001-07-26 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
WOW! What a melee! I am Pentium of Borg. Division is futile. You will be approximated. (origin unknown) Is this approximating a constructive process? If so, it's off by several orders of magnitude. Seriously, I cast my vote (if I have one) for the following: 1) website-hosted

Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone

2001-07-26 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
It should be noted that the Protel ASCII format is not only text based, but it is self-documenting. All the records and fields are named wherever they occur. The library format is binary only, but one could import parts to a PCB file and then create a library from the PCB file. True, but I

Re: [PEDA] ASCII Format

2001-07-26 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
I believe CDs only have a finite life also. Does anyone know how long? The number I have heard mentioned is 10-20 years for writable optical media, and 50-100 years for stamped optical media. Of course, no one knows for sure because these technologies aren't that old yet. But for magnetic

[PEDA] opening Orcad DSN into Protel 99SE

2001-07-27 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Hello, all: I am trying to open an Orcad DSN file into Protel 99SE with no success. The message I get is: Error reading Orcad Cache! Try to Cleanup Cache first! Any idea what that means and how to work around it? Or is this another Protel advertised feature that doesn't really work? I don't

Re: [PEDA] Surface Mount Boards

2001-07-31 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Now I just need to wait for 0201's to follow this price prediction and I'll be happy :-) Just go to the supermarket and buy some ground black pepper. It's cheaper! But it's resistance probably changes with humidity ;-) Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com

[PEDA] Fw: Altium - Think it, Design it, Build it!

2001-08-06 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
We are now ready to take the next step in realizing this vision and are excited to announce our new corporate identity. As of August 6th 2001, Protel International Limited, with its close association to the Protel PCB design tool, will change to ALTIUM LIMITED. Excellent! Just what I have been

Re: [PEDA] 5/5 Manufacturing Issues

2001-08-06 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Tim: Keep in mind that only a resistor can absorb. A PCB trace cannot absorb anything. If you really need a reflection absorbed at the source, you really need a resistor to absorb it. Remember that when impedances are specified as one simple number (i.e. 50 ohm), that it is really the

Re: [PEDA] 5/5 Manufacturing Issues

2001-08-07 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
So, Ivan's comments about ONLY a resistor can absorb is correct when talking about conventional hard output CMOS chips. Due to these transmission line problems, many newer chips are putting active resistors on critical output pins. Yes, I suppose I should have said that only a R +/- jX

Re: [PEDA] save copy as is worthless

2001-08-07 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Jeff: 99SE does not crash daily for me, but it still does crash once in a while. I have noticed that if you try to place a BIG part that sometimes Protel will lock up into a loop, still doing timed backups, but not doing anything intelligent with the keystrokes and mouse activity you are giving

Re: [PEDA] save copy as is worthless

2001-08-07 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
:31 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] save copy as is worthless On 11:50 AM 8/7/2001 -0400, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: If you get a new PC, you should consider Dell or a local computer box builder. I now buy PCs from a local shop that builds Linux servers. I assume you mean that they specialize

Re: [PEDA] Changes to the Protel company name

2001-08-07 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Hello, all: Here are some more suggestions for Protel's name change, from the periodic table: CADmium - a toxic metal used in batteries that are always dead when you need them most, and exhibit a memory effect (like Protel software remembers bugs from previous versions) Cesium - what Protel

Re: [PEDA] Public open-source PCB software. was- Changes to the Protel company name

2001-08-07 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
My $0.02 about open source PCB software: It's hard to make money on open source software. The only viable business model I can think of is to sell support services for the software. But that means you have to make it hard to use, put bugs in it, and write bad documentation in order to sell

Re: [PEDA] Public open-source PCB software. was- Changes to the Protel company name

2001-08-08 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Whenever I do a demo for other programmers such as C++ guys or whoever, they are astonished that I do in 10 minutes what takes them a day. This is what applies to the viual stuff. Obviously when doing nonvisual, such as processing multiple linked data structures, it is the same as any other

Re: [PEDA] The Mysteries of Altium, Jeraldo investigates stay tuned.

2001-08-09 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
. On 11:55 AM 8/9/2001 -0400, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: Seen it. sporadic, so again attributed to the program's idiosyncrasies, perhaps some more of that boasting about 10 minutes for a day's work thingy I just read about in another postg Dubious claim?: It takes only 10 minutes

[PEDA] Compactflash socket PCB footprint

2001-08-09 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Hello, all: Anyone got a CompactFlash socket SMT PCB footprint they can pass on to me? Or if not, any recommendations of a brand/part number? Anything going on with that discussion thread 2 weeks ago about a public domain PCB footprint website/list/whatever? Did the instigators of that other

[PEDA] 99SE crash upon exit

2001-08-14 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Hello, all: I got a strange message when exiting Protel 99SE today. The message is: Program error Client99SE.exe has generated errors and will be closed by Windows. You will need to restart the program. An error log is being created. Using W2K with no Protel problems until now. Anyone know

Re: [PEDA] 99SE crash upon exit

2001-08-15 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Yeah, W2K has Dr. Watson in it. I suppose it could be a really useful tool if I had the patience to wade through hex dumps of the CPU registers, memory, etc. I have patience to debug my own code, but I'll be damned if I'm going to do it for free for Protel's code that I paid for under the

Re: [PEDA] Alegro Conversion

2001-08-15 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
and saved them. Not that it would have done me any good. We did keep the original design files and stored them in the company fire proof safe. BUT, some idiot decided to clean up the safe and through them out, along with other vital stuff!!! Well then, put it someplace safe from the

[PEDA] OOPS!

2001-08-16 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Sorry, folks, I didn't mean to send that attachment to the Forum! Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: *

Re: [PEDA] OOPS!

2001-08-16 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
: Re: [PEDA] OOPS! On 05:50 PM 8/16/2001 -0400, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: Sorry, folks, I didn't mean to send that attachment to the Forum! HA! Thanks to the diligence of our sponsor, it didn't get thru (yet) Seriously, Ivan, I think Mark K. is being a kindly soul and blocking attachments

Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel?

2001-08-17 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
These topics seem to come up frequently: 1) How to panelize 2) How to create odd-shaped PCBs, holes, and slots 3) How to create jumper PCB tracks 4) How to create fuse PCB tracks 5) How to create PCB spark gaps These topics should be FAQ'ed on our hypothetical website. You know, the one

Re: [PEDA] DRC issue

2001-08-22 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Try putting a no-erc directive marker on each unconnected pin. The no-erc marker looks like a red X. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Ken Pelic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: KerryArtesyn

Re: [PEDA] Spam trawlers in this group

2001-08-27 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
All I want for Christmas is: I wish someone would design a virus that affects only e-mail spam origination computers. The virus would cause these computers to melt down into a puddle of bubbling silicon and epoxy. A modified version of it using touch tones could be used to melt down the

Re: [PEDA] tenting vias

2001-08-27 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
I just looked at this a short while ago. I am also using a 388 1.27mm PBGA, by AMD - ELANSC520. We are intending to tent the Vias as the folks on this group suggested. I have noticed your Via pad is smaller than we were asked to use by our fab house. We were asked to use 0.71mm pad and 0.3mm

Re: [PEDA] Spam trawlers in this group

2001-08-28 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
In any case, I'm generating a list of possible reply addresses for a potent deinculsion request addresses at ibsystems by PEDA members. More to come... A friend of mine uses a technique for determining who sells junk mail (postal) mailing lists. When he fills out any warranty registration

Re: [PEDA] FYI: addresses @ ib-systems (was spam trawlers)

2001-08-28 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
AJ: I salute your valiant attempts to prevent spammers from doing what they love to do. However, I wonder if it will really have the desired effect. IMO, there are four rules about dealing with spam: 1) NEVER reply to spam 2) If you are thinking of replying to spam, see rule (1) 3) NEVER

Re: [PEDA] Diode pads

2001-09-06 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
My point was only that the EBC, AK, GDS is redundant and stupid on the schematic because the symbols convey the function of each pin already. Holding only the printed schematic in your hand, the EBC, GDS and AK conveys what information that you didn't already know from the symbol? What does

[PEDA] 99SE manual routing problem

2001-09-10 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Hello, all: When manually routing, the shortcut key '/' does not work. Therefore, I cannot place a via connecting to an internal plane. Yes, I do have the layer stackup with GND and VCC planes defined. What gives? Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com * *

Re: [PEDA] 99SE manual routing problem

2001-09-11 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
-Original Message- From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 11 September 2001 8:22 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] 99SE manual routing problem Hello, all: When manually routing, the shortcut key '/' does not work. Therefore

[PEDA] via tenting question

2001-09-12 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Hello, all: I am wondering what to do about vias. I have a design for an 8-layer 0.090 in. PCB with about 700-800 vias 32mil pad, 18mil hole (no BGAs). Since the vias can be very close (6 mil) to other vias and pads, I want to cover the vias with either soldermask or tent them. What is the

Re: [PEDA] via tenting question

2001-09-13 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Certified PCB Designers -Original Message- From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2001 8:11 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] via tenting question Hello, all: I am wondering what to do about vias. I have a design for an 8-layer

Re: [PEDA] Autorouting Problems

2001-09-13 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
The autorouter is old technology, we need to remember. It was not written to handle arcs, nor does it handle the full rule set, far from it, and it also gets a little crazy with off-grid pads. One of the recent service packs added a warning to design rules that are not respected by the

Re: [PEDA] PADs conversion

2001-09-17 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Lloyd: If you mean the old PADS-PCB for DOS, here is how I have done it in the past. First, you need the PADS files to be saved in ASCII format. There is a File, Save, Ascii, All option in one of the menus. If the files you have are not saved in ASCII, then you must get the PADS program and

Re: [PEDA] Virtual Shorts

2001-09-25 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Otherwise a zero-ohm resistor is very cheap, requires no special process or attention, and has other advantages with regard to potential modifications of the short character to add resistance or inductance. We use zero-ohm resistors for jumpers too. It eliminates second guessing by all

Re: [PEDA] Virtual Shorts

2001-09-25 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
I tried virtual shorts once but they were too drafty ; ) In the 80's I used to work in the service dept. of a traffic equipment maker. We had to repair new equipment that had plenty of real shorts caused by faulty etching of PCBs (electrical test? - we didn't need no stinkin' electrical test).

Re: [PEDA] Windoze versions compatible with Protel?

2001-10-02 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
*** Todays forums are sponsored by Ian Martin Limited Engineering/Technical Placement Specialists www.ianmartin.com *** 2000 rules. Microsoft finally learned how to write a good OS! Very

Re: [PEDA] Altium Total Support (ATS)

2001-10-31 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
So now, how we buy and upgrade CAD software is to be determined by tax law? UGH! Tax law is an evil that touches all things... Software maintenance: what a ludicrous concept. Did the software wear out? Did the software break? Hah! I cast my vote for free service packs and e-mail/phone

Re: [PEDA] None

2001-10-31 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
But for how long? Until they have another support policy change? Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Wayne Bickers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 2:32 PM Subject: [PEDA] None

Re: [PEDA] Altium Total Support (ATS)

2001-10-31 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
The last time I did my own taxes (about 2 years ago), you could take Section 179 expense deduction up to $19,000 in that tax year. This means you don't have to do the depreciation schedule for anything you can expense off. Of course, if you have more than $19K of purchases, you must either hold

Re: [PEDA] ATS

2001-11-01 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Screw them all if that's where the s/w world is heading. Windows2000 (and Office 2000) is pretty damn good and so is Protel (even though the router isn't close to state of the art) I, too, refuse to accept the .NET/XP scheme of time-limited remote-deactivated licensing, and the slightly less

Re: [PEDA] Pricing

2001-11-09 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
What a huge mass of confusion this ATS nonsense has caused. I now know nothing about the future of Protel or its products, whereas before all this I *thought* I knew there was a PCB software provider that provided free services packs and tech support, and I could choose whether or not and when

Re: [PEDA] ATS Specifications, Terms and Conditions

2001-11-12 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
What is realistic is the barbed shaft (tailored just for us) that some predatory software vendors are lobbying for via the UCTAI. Among other things, here is what they want: -Legalize remote turnoff of users' software (check out MS XP) -Ban unfavorable reviews of software

Re: [PEDA] HELP!

2001-11-12 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
I don't have help for you, but maybe I have help for him. If the reason he won't use schematic capture is that he thinks optimum placement and routing is achieved by placing and routing, then figuring out the schematic later, I have a suggestion for him. I have had to do something like this

Re: [PEDA] ATS Specifications, Terms and Conditions

2001-11-12 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
There is nothing intrinsically wrong with the software as a service concept. In fact, properly implemented, it could be an improvement over the more common product concept. Having your house cleaned is a service. Having your yard mowed is a service. What these 2 examples DO NOT have in

Re: [PEDA] ATS Specifications, Terms and Conditions

2001-11-13 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS Specifications, Terms and Conditions At 03:13 PM 11/12/01 -0500, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote

Re: [PEDA] ATS Specifications, Terms and Conditions

2001-11-13 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
all have far too much spare time on your hands!!! -Original Message- From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 13 November 2001 19:32 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS Specifications, Terms and Conditions Having your house cleaned is a service

Re: [PEDA] Old v3.1 PCB Question

2001-11-13 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
They did offer Adv Route3. I bought it. It was not worth the price. The router did a reasonable job on some boards and a shocker on others. It had very poor copper sharing, so it would run a stringer from virtually every SM to gnd and a separate pad even if they were right next to each

Re: [PEDA] ATS Specifications, Terms and Conditions

2001-11-14 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Sorry, didn't mean to offend you, just laughing at how much some people write in their response's. It seems that when I come in to work in the morning, I spend ages ploughing through all the emails. Good luck on your recovery, though!! No offense taken. If you don't want to spend time

Re: [PEDA] Full Path and Mapped Drives

2001-11-15 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
We've never had problems with keeping libs on our network server either. Of course, we don't run 2 or more simultaneous Protel sessions, since we only have 1 license. Our network setup is various Win9X, W2K, and Linux boxes connected to 1 Linux server running Samba (Windows Network Neighborhood

Re: [PEDA] Using 3D

2001-11-15 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Protel *is* worth its current retail price of $7995, in my view. It is more than hobbyists can afford, but anyone who is seriously involved with design, who is trying to make a living with it, is advised to realize that the productivity features make it worth the price. $5K tops, dude. IMO.

Re: [PEDA] Autorouter

2001-11-16 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
How large is large for you? I use the 99SE autorouter for my large designs, but not for small designs. It takes a lot of practice and trial/error to figure out how to set up the autorouting rules for each board. And each board may take different rules. You just have to have patience.

Re: [PEDA] Autorouter

2001-11-16 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
I've never have used autorouters. I'm from the old school, where I cut my teeth with hand taping. Ouch, that must have hurt! Personally, I have my dentist do my dental work. ;-) Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: http://www.bagotronix.com - Original Message -

Re: [PEDA] Autorouter

2001-11-16 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
I've never have used autorouters. I'm from the old school, where I cut my teeth with hand taping. Fortunately, I never had to use the mylar tape layout. But I have manually routed quite a few boards. Until the Protel AR came along, I never did autorouting, because the few autorouters I had

Re: [PEDA] Antwort: Autorouter

2001-11-16 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
. what rules did you find significant playing around with? Just being curious ... Regards, Gisbert Auge N.A.T. GmbH Bagotronix Tech Support An: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] techsupport@bagotKopie

Re: [PEDA] Protel usage

2001-11-16 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Regarding the questions about 3D and autorouter, what parts of Protel do you actually use? - Schematic YES - PCB YES - Powerprint YES - CAM Manager YES - Simulator NO, but I may soon. I think this is an important feature. - Autorouter YES, needs improvement - 3D Viewer NO, not until it

Re: [PEDA] Autorouter

2001-11-17 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
On the other hand, today we have carpal tunnel syndrome and I got a frozen left shoulder from hours of having my left hand hovering over the keyboard while the right hand moved the mouse. Don't try this one at home, it took a year of physical therapy to unfreeze the shoulder. Abdul, have you

Re: [PEDA] Protel's Good/Bad points (WAS:Using 3D)

2001-11-19 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Explain why a fresh re-install of 2000 + sp2, then Protel +sp6 crashes on several operations, even on first run. Explain why printing on one machine with exactly the same graphics card, graphics drivers, print drivers etc. works fine. On the new one it does not, if it prints at all, many

Re: [PEDA] Protel's Good/Bad points (WAS:Using 3D)

2001-11-19 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Actually, the high speed digital testers employed by the memory manufacturers FULLY test memory modules over their rated speed and voltage ranges. Usually any problems that occur after the module leaves the factory are due to handling, installation or motherboard related issues (timing,

Re: [PEDA] Another Compacting Design Question

2001-11-20 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
I have a Compaq IPAQ x86 Family 6 Model 6, 196meg RAM, Norton AntiVirus, Stop right there! The Compaq may be your problem. I had a Compaq Presario 4640 once. What a piece of junk! I swore I would never buy another Compaq product again. Only Compaq would take a perfectly good Pentium II CPU

Re: [PEDA] Another Compacting Design Question

2001-11-20 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Jeff: If there is any way you can get your IT dept. to agree to this, do it: 1) Find a local PC shop that also builds, maintains, and warranties Linux servers. 2) Get them to build you a standard white box PC with your choice of CPU, RAM, video, and storage. 3) Tell them to load Windows 2000

Re: [PEDA] PADS to Protel Conversion

2001-11-20 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Is there any other way I can read this job file into Protel? Also does anyone remember version 2.8 reading job files or did it read ASCII files only? Well, I remember Protel v2.8 just like it was yesterday. And it was, practically. I upgraded from v2.8 to 99SE late last year. Skipped PCB

Re: [PEDA] MS versus Linux wrt Protel

2001-11-21 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Oh boy, a chance to stir the Windows/Linux pot! But seriously: We use both Linux and Windows 9X, 2K. Linux is used so far only as the LAN server/gateway. All of the desktop work is done on Windows. Linux is a great server OS, but still needs a lot of GUI and API work before it can be a

Re: [PEDA] MS versus Linux

2001-11-21 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Has any of the *nix users here tried protel under VMware ?? as I have been I think you still need a copy of Windows to run Windows apps under VMware when you run VMware hosted on Linux. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From:

Re: [PEDA] Pin gate swapping

2001-11-21 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
I liked being able to do pin swapping in v2.8. This was useful when manually routing a PCB and optimizing the layout for no signals crossing over/under other signals. I could assign connector pinouts on the fly by swapping connector pins. Of course, the schematic has to be updated afterwards.

Re: [PEDA] Pin gate swapping

2001-11-21 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
You can still pin swap, one good way, one not so good way. Good way: edit the pins to interchange the net assignments. Then run the synchronizer preview and write the report to file (rt-click on the screen of the macro list to bring up the options). Then cancel it. Yeah, that's the way I do

Re: [PEDA] Pin gate swapping

2001-11-26 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Please don't forget that other are still getting a lot of use out of 74xx series of ICs and related devices. Right on! And don't forget analog ICs with multiple parts in them, such as LM324, LM339, etc. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com -

Re: [PEDA] Protel Crashes

2001-11-26 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Jeff: I have seen Protel crash with similar access violation messages when, during Protel startup, you switch the focus to another application while Protel is scanning files. This happened to me last week. For some reason, the day after, it was healed and didn't do it anymore. If that

Re: [PEDA] Database Repair

2001-11-26 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
So why am I putting up with my aging K6-450? Inertia. Not much else. Well, it's always a major interruption to install everything on a new system, get the network talking sense, etc True! This is one on-going problem the PC industry has ignored. As long as they continue to ignore this

Re: [PEDA] Multiple Subcircuits

2001-11-27 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Hey guys: Can't you panelize the PCB in CAMtastic? Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 10:26 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [PEDA] Protel Crashes

2001-11-28 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
There is Parity memory and there is ECC memory, but when the buyers always want the cheapest ... You don't really expect a 500$ PC to have all the stuff that is built into a 5000$ machine, do you ? I expect reliability from everything I buy, no matter how cheap or expensive it is.

Re: [PEDA] Using Multiple Vcc for same part

2001-11-30 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
If you are using 99SE, place a part and then left click on it. Up pops a menu. Click on Properties. Then check the Hidden Pins checkbox. This will make the power pins show on the schematic. Then you can explicity tie them to any power port you want. Be careful that when annotation occurs,

Re: [PEDA] Seeking Popular or Standard Footprint for Surface Mount LEDs

2001-11-30 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
since they will tend to mount them backwards more often than not, and Must be a Murphy's Law thing. You would think they would mount them backwards 50% of the time, not more often. But that's if Murphy isn't looking ;-) No matter how many security guards you hire, you can't always keep

Re: [PEDA] First announcement of Phoenix by Altium

2001-12-05 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Hello, all: One of my customers just told me he received an offer from Protel (Altium, whatever) to buy Protel for $2K. That's right, $2K for a full (not upgrade) license. I recommended Protel to him because I like it and because we have done custom design work for him, and he needs a way to

Re: [PEDA] Bug in Interactive Routing

2001-12-05 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Jeff: I don't think this is a bug. It's a consequence of the way your netlist is connected. I think what is happening is that the net you are trying to route is really connected to the pin of the bottom side chip. To route to the top chip instead, you will need to change the order of the net

Re: [PEDA] Bug in Interactive Routing

2001-12-05 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
P.P.S. I still think it is a bug. It's not a bug, it's a feature ;-) Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Jeff Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 12:19 PM

Re: [PEDA] Altium Total Support Brochure

2001-12-05 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
IMO: I think that free support should be maintained for old products forever, as long as there is no cost associated with maintaining that free support. No cost support is possible. It consists of downloadable service packs for the software, FAQs, bug lists, and workarounds, all on the

Re: [PEDA] Altium Total Support Brochure

2001-12-05 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
At 03:51 PM 12/5/2001 -0500, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: I think that free support should be maintained for old products forever, as long as there is no cost associated with maintaining that free support. No cost support is possible. It consists of downloadable service packs for the software

Re: [PEDA] Altium Total Support Brochure

2001-12-06 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Thanks for the link. The only problem I see with this archive website is that it has too visible a presence. If Altium told them to get rid of any copyrighted materials with a Protel copyright, they would have to do so or face legal wrangling. And I wonder if they have the service packs. Even

Re: [PEDA] Altium Total Support Brochure

2001-12-06 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
- From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Total Support Brochure Thanks for the link. The only problem I see with this archive website is that it has too visible a presence

Re: [PEDA] SPs for earlier versions (ex Altium Total Support Brochure)

2001-12-07 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
It's an old saying that monopolies don't have to apologise to their customers. However, when competition does exist, it is a bad move to alienate your customers, and when competition doesn't exist (or is weak), bad attitudes can result in customers taking their complaints to a regulatory

Re: [PEDA] laptops (again), Nvidia graphics, OS recommendations

2001-12-12 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Lately I have been looking for a new laptop myself. My research shows: 1) They all have Windows XP - ugh! 2) Some no longer have what I consider the essential ports (parallel, serial) 3) Some require external floppy drives or CD docking stations to get software on/off them 4) Some have

Re: [PEDA] URGENT!!!

2001-12-12 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Hey, Abdul: If any ATS dollars are to be paid, they should be paid to you! You are better tech support for Protel than any corporate Protel tech support I've seen. In the EE dictionary, under Altium Total Support, it says see Lomax, Abd ul-Rahman. ;-) Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix

Re: [PEDA] Monitors, WAS: laptops (again), Nvidia graphics, OS recommendations

2001-12-12 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
And better than what I am running now on my desktop, except I've got a 21 inch monitor and a bigger hard drive. Me too. You gotta love those 21 inch monitors! In the spirit of mine is bigger than yours ;-) , is anyone out there using a 27 (or 25, etc.) inch monitor? I've heard of these

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