Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Help file location

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
the training software work, why does the released software not work? Seems to me Protel is 'cheating' in their training sessions, using software which is not equivalent to released versions in order to hide or get around bugs during the classes. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Seems Protel has broken DXF Import in99 se?

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
. It reacted exactly the same way to both the old previously import P98 DXF and the brand new file I was trying this morning. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Seems Protel has broken DXF Import in99 se?

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
Fabian, you seem to have misread one crucial word in my post, Import. I was trying to import DXF from ACAD into Protel P99SE, even a DXF file that reads into P98 without problems. Thanks for the reply anyway. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100

[PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Seems Protel has broken DXF Import in 99se?

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
elements into my P99SE file. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.norsat.com

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Rectangle holes

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
with your Fab shop. Your min. width is 50 mil but this shape must be routed, a typical shop might have a 32mil diameter router as their smallest size router bit and therefore your corners will have a 16mil radius. Just something to consider when sizing your rectangular hole. Sincerely, Brad Velander

[PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: How to include P99SE Mech layers in FinalPrints.

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
that I want added to my plot? I have tried checking any number of these mechanical layers and they never seem to get added to my plots. I have rebuilt and re-processed the plots. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: How to include P99SE Mech layers inFina l Prints.

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: TSListServer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Update PCB Errors/Oscillations (was:app arent Pad/Net lowercase bug)

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: DRC --ATTN Mr.Lomax

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
this? I am following this thread in earnest just to learn some of these trouble shooting procedures those of you with more experience use. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Seems Protel has broken DXF Import in99s e?

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Warning on ViewMate free Gerberviewer.. Found culprit..

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: TSListServer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Relief on Vias

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
newbies once. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: TSListServer [mailto

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Plane Stitching

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
of the vias to meet the desired end result. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.norsat.com -Original Message

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Bill of materials menu option breaksaft er SP6

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
guess, somehow your RCS file must have been corrupted. Try using the repair facility on the Protel install CD. You may have to apply the service pack again after repairing the install, I am not sure how it would repair files which may have been updated by a service pack. Sincerely, Brad Velander

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: My Biggest Mistakes

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
reference and expertise of it's author who developed this system through trial, error and experimentation in a large high volume assy house. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: newbie can't get power and groundplanesto connect up

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
that they haven't. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Library Share

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
seconds flat. After receiving advice or reading comments of others we do not touch the database members/permissions, it is a trap waiting to spring shut. Since we are running NT, we do not need another security measure/level that can go wrong and screw us. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Library Management

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: TSListServer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Library Management

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
to the 12 character limit. FYI: the limitation is mentioned in only one location that I have been able to find. It is hidden in the section explaining netlist formats and limitations (pg 648 in my acrobat version of the Protel P99SE manual). Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Library Share

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Library Management

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
not the portion of the information which is hidden, as you found out the pin number can be hidden as well. As for being stupid or naive, no, I doubt that you are either. Inexperienced, sounds more like it. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Library Management -relevant?, yes!

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Library Management

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Library Management

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
for all devices to be easily found in one area of the library without exhaustive searches. Similarly I use U_... for all IC devices, D_... for all diodes, X_... for crystals, etc. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: reconnecting nets

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
to do the update primitives from component pads. Note Colby wrote exactly how, where and in what order to execute these functions, I haven't bothered to repeated his instructions. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Library Management

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
or requirements. I am a firm believer in empowerment, not officious management. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Library Share

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
Rusty, I hadn't actually thought about the copying libraries out of the reference library, good catch! It is not my concern anyway, I simply want to protect the reference library from inadvertent overwrites. You know the stupid, Close, Save File?, Yes, Oooops. Sincerely, Brad Velander

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Library Share

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
. I have threatened anybody in our company with a long, cruel, painful death if they ever set any rights and permissions within Protel. Paranoia, quite possibly? Stupidity, not likely! If you don't need it, don't use it. KISS, Keep It Simple Stupid! Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Library Management

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
that everybody can find what they are looking for. It certainly does help as well when you just want to find all your existing symbols of similar types like you suggest. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Database Linking...a suggestedimproveme nt

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Database Linking...a suggested improveme nt

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
correct, our schematics are more consistent and our PCBs end up with the correct footprints for each part regardless of whichever small nuances might try to trip us up. And all of that takes very little user time or effort to accomplish this task. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat

Re: [PEDA] DRC error message

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
to a Protel file which is write-protected? Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.norsat.com -Original Message

Re: [PEDA] Use Pad Stack

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: David W. Gulley [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [PEDA] Does newest version of Orcad import well into Protel.. .

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Michael Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [PEDA] routing rules anomely??

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
or applicable program features). Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Michael

Re: [PEDA] Protel default Vcc hidden power pins

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: John Lemburg [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [PEDA] Use Pad Stack

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
experiencing the same difficulty. They can not fix it and allow others to forever fall into this pitfall in the future, their choice. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax

Re: [PEDA] Use Pad Stack

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
Abd-ul Rahman, see my comments below. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.norsat.com -Original

Re: [PEDA] Use Pad Stack

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
a little open there consider Protel's lacking documentation. A lot of what we all do day in and day out is undocumented or it is just mentioned without further explanation or qualification of the limitations. Have a good evening, I am sure we will talk tomorrow. Sincerely, Brad Velander

Re: [PEDA] BOM

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
. I can't think of any manner to do this in Protel, I am sure ACAD could do it in some manner but I don't know how off the top of my head. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct

Re: [PEDA] Long lag times - anyone else?

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
with the listserver or their ISP as they had indicated a while back. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.norsat.com

Re: [PEDA] Long lag times - anyone else?

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
There's a market opportunity, server hosting outside of California. Who'd of figured, great call Mike, I would have never put that together as a possible issue. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice

Re: [PEDA] Irregular pad shapes in Protel and How do you get fill s toassume net

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
checked the fills net assignment and it was still no net. I will have to test again in the next few days and figure out why it doesn't seem to work when I tried it. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604

Re: [PEDA] sp6 installed?

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
screen which states Includes Service Pack SP6. Within my HELP ABOUT it lists my version as 6.6.7. I think this is what you meant in your reference to ...help says ver 6.5.2.. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada

Re: [PEDA] Searching Network for Floating License

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
in and correct it. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

Re: [PEDA] CAMtastic 2000 and DRC Checking Of Gerbers....?

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
and it is up and running. Their new support email address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www

Re: [PEDA] need a work around for the 100 sq in restriction

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
Mark, can your design be scaled within the Protel database (i.e. 2:1, 55 x 1.875)? That's one idea. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010

Re: [PEDA] PCB printed self

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
to freehand draw a PCB design. It is not as simple as that, especially if you want to use the DRC functions. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: After Hibernate,running Protel scans fo r a network license.

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Inner Power Plane clearances ISO

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
knows what else they may miss. In your case it could have possibly given your company recourse for the expense of the boards. It also would have given you recourse to let most of the heat be deflected by some asbestos underwear. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat

Re: [PEDA] Bus nets

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
and a brief explanation, everyone worked with it just fine. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.norsat.com

Re: [PEDA] Bus nets

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
Ooopss, where I used the word multiply in several cases, it should have been multiple. Stupid spell checker! It should have known which word I really wanted. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9

Re: [PEDA] .Legend on the Drill Drawing layer.

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
, change the pads to multilayer and use the padstack to eliminate the pads on layers that you don't want pads. (i.e. set the padstack pad dimensions to 0 for the layers where you don't want a pad.) Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby

Re: [PEDA] toolbars customization

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [PEDA] Bus nets

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
that Protel SCH was virtually undistinguishable from Orcad in it's early Win 3.1 days (1993) and would even directly read in Orcad schematics with almost no problem as I remember. Why would they have departed from that? Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401

Re: [PEDA] Bus nets

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
Abd-ul Rahman, see my comments interspersed with yours. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.norsat.com

Re: [PEDA] Update PCB from SCH bug?

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
Frank, the only time that I see a particular query for a target board is when there is more then one board in the database. Not to say that there isn't a selection point in one of the windows along the path, I haven't noticed. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat

Re: [PEDA] any multi-layer prototype PCB house with great price?

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
do 5 day turns and sometimes try pushing to 4 or 3 days. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.norsat.com

Re: [PEDA] Bus nets

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
with it then there really are, because of my explanation above. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.norsat.com

Re: [PEDA] CAMtastic 2000 and DRC Checking Of Gerbers....?

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
, long page. They also have a users forum with sign-up details outlined in their support pages. Sorry I can't help further but I didn't see anything in regards to your precise question. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby

Re: [PEDA] Bus nets

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
..15] or DB[0..15] along with DA[0..15](separate data buses). That doesn't take a lot of room, a several characters less then CONT[0..15]. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line

Re: [PEDA] FCC and design for Manufacturability advice

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
. http://www.aimtronics.com/dfm_foyer.cfm http://www.merix.com/main_res.html Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www

Re: [PEDA] Gold Emersion

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
board platings and relative performances (not really specific but generic comparisons, if you know what I mean. Lots of talk but little specific detailed comparisons). Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice

Re: [PEDA] Gold Emersion

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
of an issue then if you were talking multi-layers. Sorry, nothing in my experience or library can answer this question definitively. I figured that you were looking for info on thickness and types of gold with your initial enquiry. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat

Re: [PEDA] Gold Emersion

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
send to you. Let me know if you have any specific questions that I could answer, or did I already give you enough for your enquiry. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax

Re: [PEDA] schematic library tips

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
David, see my comments interspersed below. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: David Cary [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [PEDA] Gold Emersion

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
pointed that out poignantly when I went looking for all my articles. The cited HP paper above is by far the best research paper I have ever found on the issue. Another author who has published a number of articles or books which touch on this issue is J. Lau (or J.H. Lau). Brad Velander

Re: [PEDA] Export an IPC-D-356 format Netlist for PWB MFGcircuittesting

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
, etc., etc.. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Terry Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, April 28

Re: [PEDA] Export an IPC-D-356 format Netlist for PWB MFGcircuittesting

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
are in the Gerbers. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Jim Mcgrath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, April 28

Re: [PEDA] Export an IPC-D-356 format Netlist for PWB MFGcircuittesting

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
will have to keep my eyes open for anything on ECAM and brush up on their capabilities for future reference. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com

Re: [PEDA] Protel flyer in the mail

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
Yeah, short-sighted but never in short supply! 8^ I am sure we all have very similar war stories. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com

Re: [PEDA] Export an IPC-D-356 format Netlist for PWB MFGcircuittesting

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
they haven't thought about pastemask attributes for inclusion as well. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Max Henzi

Re: [PEDA] Export an IPC-D-356 format Netlist for PWB MFGcircuittesting

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
this is where I missed something. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Max Henzi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May

Re: [PEDA] Protel flyer in the mail

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
Tony Karavidas Yeah, short-sighted but never in short supply! 8^ I am sure we all have very similar war stories. Brad Velander SNIP So I will give my best shot to getting the next version of Protel. But it would help things in that regard if Protel also comes to the aid

Re: [PEDA] Paste Mask issues (ex Export an IPC-D-356 format...)

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
informed ramble. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Geoff Harland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 02

Re: [PEDA] Paste Mask issues (ex Export an IPC-D-356 format...)

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
with it. I have used the charting resource monitor on my home system, W98 (sorry don't remember the exact name). I am also using NT4 at work so it may be completely irrelevant but I prefer to stay away from challenging the software. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International

Re: [PEDA] Export an IPC-D-356 format Netlist for PWB MFGcircuittesting

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
for would be a testpoint output that would allow testing of layer pairs in a multilayer PCB before they are stack laminated. Seems you are out of luck, Protel doesn't seem to support that function. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C

[PEDA] Protel news. Was: BGA Design

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
what you were alluding in your comment on PCAD? Recent, how recent is over a year ago (Jan 2000)? Partnership, should that not read take-over/purchase? Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604

Re: [PEDA] Layer Stackup Info.

2001-07-09 Thread Brad Velander
only for controlled impedances, it is a matter of specifying such that you can get a reliable 'known' product from multiple manufacturers as the IPC spec suggests. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089

Re: [PEDA] Layer Stackup Info.

2001-07-09 Thread Brad Velander
requirements, i.e. basic digital circuits) of not specifying the dielectric thickness in all cases. I hope that you can now see the issue which I responded to, it was not a personal attack nor was it questioning your abilities and I am sorry that you mistook it as such. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer

Re: [PEDA] Layer Stackup Info.

2001-07-09 Thread Brad Velander
performance details specific to our designs. I don't really care about the weave or %RC but do care about the x/y/z stabilities, DK, thickness and loss tangent. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax

Re: [PEDA] Layer Stackup Info.

2001-07-09 Thread Brad Velander
mixed in a stackup, it would contribute negatively to the board bow and twist. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com -Original Message- From

Re: [PEDA] Layer Stackup Info.

2001-07-09 Thread Brad Velander
then the usual articles telling us everything that we already knew or didn't know, in general terms and not really supplying any useful knowledge or techniques. Mike, do you know it will be published, or is this a hopeful submission? Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc

Re: [PEDA] Layer Stackup Info.

2001-07-09 Thread Brad Velander
their materials. See even the IPC knows that nobody is actually supposed to read all their material. 8^ Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com

Re: [PEDA] Layer Stackup Info.

2001-07-10 Thread Brad Velander
%, possibly 20 - 25%). Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Mark E Witherite [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday

Re: [PEDA] perimeter stitched ground vias question. Can you help here Abd ul-Rahman?

2001-07-10 Thread Brad Velander
magic or something like that in the title. Damn my memory is getting holey and it has nothing at all to do with religion. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website

Re: [PEDA] Silver Immersion Finish

2001-07-10 Thread Brad Velander
initial prototypes to start. If you find a cooperative source possibly you could let me know how to contact them, I am still looking for the detailed performance information if I can find it. Have you looked at the Organic White Tin process (Omikron)yourself? Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer

Re: [PEDA] Silver Immersion Finish

2001-07-11 Thread Brad Velander
more lossy then the Omikron White Tin which matches copper characteristics closely. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com -Original Message

Re: [PEDA] Board Supplier

2001-07-11 Thread Brad Velander
) and there are not many of them around. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Joe Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday

Re: [PEDA] New on-line PCB quoting service for Protel 99 SE

2001-07-11 Thread Brad Velander
. Then where is this fancy feature that nobody wants? I will bet it's a reality within 2 years, feature works but the supporting service has gone belly up. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604

Re: [PEDA] perimeter stitched ground vias question

2001-07-11 Thread Brad Velander
the more I think about it. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent

Re: [PEDA] New on-line PCB quoting service for Protel 99 SE

2001-07-12 Thread Brad Velander
will definitely not help me or improve my efficiency. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [PEDA] Thermal Reliefs to Internal Planes

2001-07-12 Thread Brad Velander
then it may connect to both planes and DRC will not catch this and you cannot edit a rule to make it catch it. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com

Re: [PEDA] Thermal Reliefs to Internal Planes

2001-07-12 Thread Brad Velander
identify the particular violation in the list, you can highlight and jump to the error location, usually. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com

Re: [PEDA] Trace jumpers generate DRC violations

2001-07-12 Thread Brad Velander
by Abd ul-Rahman on 2000-08-21 01:53:22 PM Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [PEDA] Trace jumpers generate DRC violations

2001-07-12 Thread Brad Velander
Well Ted it is supposed to be possible through the Short Circuit Constraint in the Other Design Rules Tab. Last anybody ever tried it, it still didn't work but that was a little while ago. That might have been before SP6, I don't remember. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International

Re: [PEDA] Trace jumpers generate DRC violations

2001-07-12 Thread Brad Velander
I believe that Ian may be the keeper of the Wish list. I am not sure that I like the sounds of editing a trace to allow a short. My preference would be through the design rules so that it can be found and checked down the road instead of being hidden in the trace properties. Brad Velander, Lead

Re: [PEDA] Trace jumpers generate DRC violations

2001-07-12 Thread Brad Velander
. What Abd ul- Rahman does is probably not exactly what you want aesthetically but the same principle can be used to cover off almost any variation of a shorting pattern you want, 2 net, 3 net, 4 net shorts, anything. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401

Re: [PEDA] 20H spacing to plane boundaries.

2001-07-12 Thread Brad Velander
? Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Jon Elson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 2:15 PM

Re: [PEDA] 20H rule, Planes etc (Ex: perimeter stitched ground vi as question)

2001-07-12 Thread Brad Velander
but then I don't design antennas so what do I know. I only know that the article I read about traces and the 20H rule to plane edges most definitely showed the desired effect in the results arrived at with the field solvers. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still

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