[PEDA] Gerber import

2002-03-20 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
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[PEDA] Import Tango PCB

2002-03-21 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Anyone, Is there a way to import Tango .pcb into Protel 99SE? I tried to import it as a DOS file without success. Does any of the earlier versions of Protel import Tango? Regards, Igor Gmitrovic,HPM Sydney, Australia * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post

Re: [PEDA] Import Tango PCB

2002-03-21 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
when PROTEL98 came out. At 10:00 AM 3/22/02 +1100, you wrote: Anyone, Is there a way to import Tango .pcb into Protel 99SE? I tried to import it as a DOS file without success. Does any of the earlier versions of Protel import Tango? Regards, Igor Gmitrovic,HPM Sydney, Australia

Re: [PEDA] Accessing an Access Data Base from within Protel

2002-03-24 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
You can export dbase format from Access and then use that file to update the fields in Protel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 22 March 2002 2:57 PM To: proteledaforum Subject: [PEDA] Accessing an Access Data Base from within Protel Is

Re: [PEDA] PCB West...

2002-03-24 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
We use ddb to store all project files, even .doc, xls, .dxf, etc. I want my ddb. -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, 23 March 2002 3:09 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB West... That's a good question. I would bet Protel has

Re: [PEDA] NPT mounting holes

2002-03-25 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Jerry, I make the pad and the hole size the same and tick off the Plated box in the Pad-Advanced menu. It works fine with the Print Preview and my PCB manufacturer doesn't complain. Igor -Original Message- From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 26 March 2002 4:53

Re: [PEDA] S01 Format

2002-03-25 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Ian, Protel 2.8 can export schematics in DOS format, but you will have to go backwards through different versions of Protel. Igor -Original Message- From: Ian Capps [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 25 March 2002 10:25 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] S01 Format Does

Re: [PEDA] WANTED: PCB Expert (Off Topic)

2002-04-08 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Agree witht that. Also, there seem to be no polygons placed on the routing layers, which might add to the problem. Igor -Original Message- From: Mark E Witherite [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 4 April 2002 4:56 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] WANTED: PCB Expert

Re: [PEDA] library orientation of designators and types ??

2002-04-11 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Abdul Rahman, this is a good, logical explanation. Still, features like that should have been documented somewhere. Are they? People might be able to make use of them, if only they knew the features were there. Igor -Original Message- From: Abd ulRahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Re: [PEDA] PCB Panelization

2002-04-11 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
On 04:04 PM 4/11/2002 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim, In my opinion, I would not do the panelization in any of them. I let the Fab house do ... it. I agree. I recently ran the numbers on a small board from several PCB shops, both pre-panelized and by allowing them to handle the

Re: [PEDA] Gold or silver plating

2002-04-22 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Wayne, we have tried immersion tin organic metal proces and had good results with them. Surfaces are very flat and smooth and they worked well in wave and reflow. The process requires slightly higher temperatures, if that is of your concern. The boards were usable after 6 months, while the

Re: [PEDA] duplicated net labels and refdes (THANKS)

2002-04-29 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
-Original Message- From: Mira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 30 April 2002 11:03 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] duplicated net labels and refdes (THANKS) There are some very nice features in PCAD2k1. You can flip the component but you can flip (mirror) the

Re: [PEDA] recovering data

2002-04-29 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Tony, people come to this forum for help and not to be publicly denigrated. Psychologists say that we see in others what we have first seen in ourselves. However other people's reasons or actions seemed wrong to you, use of the sort of expression you have put in your message is unjustified. I

Re: [PEDA] recovering data

2002-05-06 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Here is your answer Tony. Just what might have happened to you. I have nothing further. Igor -Original Message- From: Rene Tschaggelar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 30 April 2002 6:26 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] recovering data You're right Tony I do make

Re: [PEDA] duplicated net labels and refdes (THANKS)

2002-05-06 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com Visit us at Booth 2G2-09 at CommunicAsia 2002 in Singapore June 18-21. -Original Message- From: Igor Gmitrovic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 7

Re: [PEDA] mirroring or flipping a PCB (was:...)

2002-05-06 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Mira, find my comments bellow. -Original Message- From: Mira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 1 May 2002 8:46 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] mirroring or flipping a PCB (was:...) Igor, We are talking about two different things or at least both Protel and PCAD do

Re: [PEDA] CSExtractFromExcel Server @ Ian Wilson

2002-05-06 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Ian, we use three fields to match parts, Lib Ref, Part Type and Part Field 8. I usually leave my machine on overnight when importing data from the database. Very annoying and time consuming, but it works and it is still better than doing it manually. On one of the Protel shows their rep

Re: [PEDA] Protel 1.5 PCB Lib to Protel 99SE PCB Lib

2002-05-15 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
That happened to me when importing Autotrax pcb library into Protel 3 (a while ago). Pads were not visible, but they were still there. I edited pad size globaly and set it to eg. 100mil. That made pads visible, and there were lots of free pads, too, coming from the outer space. Happened on import

Re: [PEDA] Crashing Database seems to depend on name

2002-05-15 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
This happened to us when two users with the write access to a database were working on it at the same time. Igor -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 16 May 2002 1:51 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Crashing Database seems to

Re: [PEDA] broken bitmap link in schemaitc template...

2002-05-20 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
We use .wmf format. The files sits on a network drive, and NOT in a .ddb. Works fine. To make it portable you would have to include the .wmf file with the schematic and probably set your sch template to link to a file on a C:\ drive. Regards Igor -Original Message- From: Dennis

Re: [PEDA] Hole annular ring

2002-05-23 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
There are two things matt could do. One is to increase the size of the pads for mounting holes from 0 to a value that will not produce DRC error. Look into the DRC rules to find out what the value of the annula ring is and ente the new pad size as 147mil+annular ring value. This would work if

Re: [PEDA] Assembly drawing reference designators

2002-05-30 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Could someone comment on what is the advantage of using .Designator string as opposed to default component Designator? You can move default Designators to any track or mechanical layer, position them automatically and resize to fit into or next to a component. Doing that with the .Designator

Re: [PEDA] Assembly drawing reference designators

2002-06-03 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
outline. The silkscreen designator should whenever possible be outside the component outline. Dave Eloranta Locus Inc. Madison, WI -Original Message- From: Igor Gmitrovic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 9:29 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject:Re: [PEDA

Re: [PEDA] Cer Res -SMD Package

2002-06-03 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Dennis, I've been using CSTCC package from Murata for five years now, without any problems in assembly or in operation. Igor -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, 2 June 2002 3:43 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Cer Res -SMD

Re: [PEDA] Assembly drawing reference designators

2002-06-03 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
to have it both ways but it certainly doesn't make it all less work we don't use them here Dennis Saputelli Igor Gmitrovic wrote: Could someone comment on what is the advantage of using .Designator string as opposed to default component Designator? You can move default Designators to any

Re: [PEDA] Size of New Component Designator and Comment

2002-06-04 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Juha, go to Tools-Preferences-Defaults-Component and set them there. Tick the permanent box to make the new settings active. Igor -Original Message- From: Juha Pajunen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 4 June 2002 4:40 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Size of New

Re: [PEDA] Protel / MSoft

2002-06-05 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
It seems that protel is going M$ way. They want us to pay for their bugs. If someone wants to pay for the technical support it's their choice, and that's fair, as Protel has to employ people to provide the service. Bug fixes, though, should be distributed free, as it has been case so far, as this

Re: [PEDA] Print/Preview Problem

2002-06-05 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
That happened to me. Then I have setup the default to Zoom All or display full page and it worked fine since. I don't remeber exactly what I did. Igor -Original Message- From: Ray Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2002 10:14 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject:

Re: [PEDA] Protel / MSoft

2002-06-05 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
John, I am with you and may the force be with you as well. Igor -Original Message- From: John Haddy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2002 2:48 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel / MSoft Coming from a different perspective, I arrive at the same answer.

Re: [PEDA] 3D MODELS FOR PROTEL99SE

2002-06-19 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
You can't do it in Protel. The solution could be to use third party SW. Try QulECAD's View3D. I find it very good. Igor -Original Message- From: Christopher Rhomberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2002 4:02 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] 3D MODELS FOR

Re: [PEDA] 3D MODELS FOR PROTEL99SE

2002-06-19 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Waldemar, what do you do with those 3D models you created? Can you import them into Protel and how? Or you just use your mech CAD to build a mechanical model, without importing into Protel? Igor -Original Message- From: Waldemar Kulajew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 19

Re: [PEDA] PCB breakoffs

2002-06-26 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
big vias -Original Message- From: Igor Gmitrovic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2002 11:44 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB breakoffs Ivan, you could V-groove the board and put vias on the tracks where they cross the V-groove line. Igor

Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Drag Selection in PCB Editor

2002-07-08 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Jon, in PCB Editor you go to Tools-Preferences-Options-Component Drag and choose Connected Tracks mode. That would enable you to drag tracks. It works as it always did, since the DOS times. I have W2K and P99SE SP6. It drags the first segment of the track connected to the component. And while

Re: [PEDA] Fwd: OS bugs WAS: Problems with schematic annotate function. Linux Added.

2002-07-08 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Don, for the same reasons I see Protel (ie Altium) starting to lose thier user base. With the ATS useless and increase in prices people will start looking elsewhere. How could they explain charging us for the ATS and then they claim to stop support for the P99SE. What do they want us to pay

Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Drag Selection in PCB Editor

2002-07-09 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Jon , it is supposed to drag track endpoints. Does not drag selection. Hope you did not pay ATS. Igor -Original Message- From: Jon Elson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 10 July 2002 5:08 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Drag Selection in PCB Editor Igor

Re: [PEDA] Using library

2002-07-15 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
See the inserts. Igor -Original Message- From: Ferdinando Bignamini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 15 July 2002 5:07 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Using library Hi, I've some question about the library system of Protel in a shared evnironment. A- It's

Re: [PEDA] Speaking of Protel Bugs.

2002-07-22 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Agree with Toni. I like it, too. Igor -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2002 12:48 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Speaking of Protel Bugs. -Original Message- From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Re: [PEDA] Speaking of Protel Bugs.

2002-07-23 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Ivan, Writing dates as MM/DD/YY is the same as writing time as HH:SS:MM. It does not seem logical. There should be linear ascendence or descendence in the order of things, IMO. In Australia we have 240V/50Hz. Compared to your 120V/60Hz. We could discuss frequency, but one thing is sure, the

Re: [PEDA] Fastest possible Protel system (LATEST)

2002-07-24 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Brian, my bit to you is: 1. Use dual digital interface video card with LCD monitors. You will be able to work longer ours. Apparently you will need that. You don't need many colours, so colour processing speed is not an issue. You want stable image and no flicker. 2. M/B with 266MHz or

Re: [PEDA] To Forum Admin : Things getting too much OFF Topic here

2002-07-24 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
a good one... -Original Message- From: Schmitt Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2002 5:45 PM To: Protel EDA Forum (E-Mail) Subject: [PEDA] To Forum Admin : Things getting too much OFF Topic here Hey Folks ... One uppon a time there was a Protel Eda Users

Re: [PEDA] Kudos

2002-07-24 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
It goes both ways. PTC (PRO/Engineer) are about to release a PCB design package. Igor -Original Message- From: Brian Sherer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2002 1:40 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Kudos I guess I'm in the minority, but I find the Protel

Re: [PEDA] Kudos

2002-07-24 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2002 10:19 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Kudos On 09:03 AM 25/07/2002 +1000, Igor Gmitrovic said: It goes both ways. PTC (PRO/Engineer) are about to release a PCB design package. Igor I couldn't find

Re: [PEDA] Kudos

2002-07-24 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Igor Gmitrovic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 24

Re: [PEDA] Refdes on other Layers

2002-07-25 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
We had no problems with designators on mech layers. Igor -Original Message- From: Steve Wiseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2002 6:06 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Refdes on other Layers 25/07/2002 06:11:53, Waldemar Kulajew [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEDA] 3D models

2002-07-28 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Has anyone got 3D models for QualECAD's 3D View other than the sample ones available from QualECAD? Igor * Tracking #: 90D0420EA8562A48BA6FE3E9BBC03868CFDDF957 *

Re: [PEDA] Speaking of Protel Bugs.

2002-07-28 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Jami, don't take it personally. This is a discussion forum and not a winner-gets-to-live arena. We have several Dell machines with identical HW and identical SW. The only difference are the M$ and Protel licence numbers. Some (in fact only one) have mouse problems in Protel, some don't. So,

Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP

2002-07-29 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
So the saga continues. You can bet their sales guys are happy. They have new shiny interface to sell. Gether all you vain engineers. There are new glass perls and DXP mirrors in the shop. Igor -Original Message- From: John Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 29 July 2002

Re: [PEDA] DXP Discussion

2002-07-31 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
And it looks like beta v2 to me. Igor -Original Message- From: Andrew Jenkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2002 10:01 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] DXP Discussion -Original Message- From: Rene Tschaggelar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Re: [PEDA] rectangle hole?

2002-07-31 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Tim, if you use those holes just for the mechanical fixing points, you can create them by using Fills in the footprint. If you want to plate them through, there are some PCB manufacturers doing it on request. If you want to create them as pads, that is not possible. You will have to wait

Re: [PEDA] Not DXP or P99SE, but have you seen the Cadence offer! !!!

2002-08-01 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Vincent, My two bit(che)s in reply: See inserts Igor -Original Message- From: vincent mail [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 2 August 2002 6:42 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Not DXP or P99SE, but have you seen the Cadence offer! !!! Darryl Newberry wrote: Ah,

Re: [PEDA] DXP schematic, any good?

2002-08-01 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Matt, Protel has a bad track in documenting their 'features', but this one is in a Protel 99SE book, page 80, although it is somewhat unclear that the wire is in fact a polyline. And I am sure it is in previous editions' books as well. Igor -Original Message- From: Matt Pobursky

Re: [PEDA] Speaking of Protel Bugs. - Flame start!

2002-08-01 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Ian, well said. People have tried to hint before that it has gone over the top. Igor -Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2002 6:51 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Speaking of Protel Bugs. - Flame start! On 11:24 PM

Re: [PEDA] P99SE lockups

2002-08-11 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Hi Kat, Do Edit-Paste special and tick on Duplicate designators. Tick off Keep Net Name. You could also do Paste Array. Igor -Original Message- From: Katinka Mills [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, 11 August 2002 9:48 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] P99SE lockups Hi

Re: [PEDA] Matched Lenghth Constraint

2002-08-14 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
I would not recommend anyone to use 90deg corners as you will run into the emc problems. Igor -Original Message- From: Narinder Kumar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2002 9:50 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Matched Lenghth Constraint Hi Mr. Malik,

Re: [PEDA] Matched Lenghth Constraint

2002-08-15 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Danny, wherever you have a change in the inductance, i.e. track width, you will get reflections. In such conditions yo could get standing waves as well, although I don't think that working frequencies on your board are so high to be affected by this. Wider track is equivalent to a broadband

Re: [PEDA] Matched Lenghth Constraint

2002-08-15 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
= lower inductance = better immunity... (?) -Original Message- From: Igor Gmitrovic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 16 August 2002 11:43 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Matched Lenghth Constraint Danny, wherever you have a change in the inductance, i.e. track

Re: [PEDA] Slow Performance of Protel 99SE

2002-08-25 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Malik, You could decrease the number of undo steps for schematics and pcb editors, in Tools-Preferences menus. This will free up some of your RAM. You could also consider adding more RAM. There is a non-linear function between the component count and the time it takes to DRC a board. For a

Re: [PEDA] File Size Limit?

2002-08-27 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Jason, another option could be not to cross hatch the polygons but to do only vertical or horizontal pouring. Igor -Original Message- From: Jason Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2002 10:22 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] File Size Limit?

Re: [PEDA] DXP - Crunch time?

2002-09-04 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Terry, you know what's best for you. To see what other people are doing, have a look at the topic 'SV: Hard Look at other Programms'. From what I have seen so far, your thoughts are in line with a lot of the people in this forum and are definitely in line with mine. Cheers, Igor

Re: [PEDA] Solder jumper

2002-09-05 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Steve, You could have a pad on the outside and a via inside. That would leave you with one pad. Pad would have to have its hole diameter larger than the via diameter and should have to be marked as 'not-to-be-drilled' and not plated. How complicated is that going to be for your your pcb shop?

Re: [PEDA] DWG DWF files not importing correctly

2002-09-05 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Barry, we have tried that as well. In our experience, DXF files are not imported correctly into Protel (any version). DWG files on the other hand worked fine and we used that format for both import and export to AutoCAD LT and ProE.FWIW Igor -Original Message- From: Barry, Rick

Re: [PEDA] Document manager tree gone in 99SE

2002-09-05 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Maybe it's just window size dragged to the edge. Try increasing the window size by dragging it to the left. Igor -Original Message- From: Rene Tschaggelar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 6 September 2002 5:21 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Document manager tree gone

Re: [PEDA] DXP - Crunch time?

2002-09-08 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
you said it all Igor -Original Message- From: Fabian Hartery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, 7 September 2002 1:51 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] DXP - Crunch time? Dennis, The only thing I could relate to with demolishing a DDB architecture is that there is

Re: [PEDA] Whats wrong with this picture.

2002-09-08 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
doesn't do it to me Igor -Original Message- From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, 7 September 2002 5:21 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Cc: JaMi Smith Subject: [PEDA] Whats wrong with this picture. OK . . . So I'll admit, I missed the Class on Protel 99 SE Basics . . .

Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats wrong with this picture.

2002-09-08 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
In my experience Protel versions 3.0, 98 and 99 were flaky. Protel 99SE with SP6 is stable. I aggree with you on SP7. There are things to be corrected. Igor -Original Message- From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, 7 September 2002 6:41 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Cc:

Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats wrong with this picture.

2002-09-08 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
There are many factors in the same equation, but as I see it, they had to come up with something completely new so they could introduce the ATS. That, to me, is the most important factor in all this. They are fighting for revenue, as any other busines does. That they might lose in the end is a

Re: [PEDA] Cease the spam

2002-09-08 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
be? A copy of the message is included below: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 9 September 2002 9:08 AM To: Igor Gmitrovic Subject: CEASE THE SPAM If this waste of our resources does not cease immediately, please be advised that we may

Re: [PEDA] Whats wrong with this picture.

2002-09-08 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Stop sound. - Original Message - From: Igor Gmitrovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Whats wrong with this picture. JaMi, No, it doesn't. The sound is turned on. Dell, PIII, 700, 256, W2K, P99SE SP6

Re: [PEDA] Cease the spam

2002-09-08 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
That's called action. The nastygrams are not coming anymore. Igor -Original Message- From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 9 September 2002 1:26 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Cc: JaMi Smith Subject: Re: [PEDA] Cease the spam Bingo! I think you hit the nail on the head

Re: [PEDA] Whats wrong with this picture.

2002-09-09 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
it happens with Protel 98 in Win98. We have no input for Protel 98 in Win95 or NT4. Thanks again, Let me know if you think of something, JaMi - Original Message - From: Igor Gmitrovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10

Re: [PEDA] Fw: on topic supply SOS

2002-09-09 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Brian, I assume you need SMD caps. Have a look at MURATA multilayer ceramic chips, maybe LL series. For your prototype, I would suggest you solder a cap of 1-2uF directly on top of the IC, connecting accross power pins and using small multistranded wire. You could put several of them in

Re: [PEDA] I want my .... I want my... I want my SP7

2002-09-12 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Let me do it again: I really want my SP7! Igor -Original Message- From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2002 8:38 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: [PEDA] I want my I want my... I want my SP7 :) Bill Brooks

Re: [PEDA] KILL THE DAMN AUTOROUTER

2002-09-17 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
JaMi, Auto Route-Stop works for me. It doesn't do it to my board, either, if pre-routes are locked. Sorry to bring you the bad news, but you have too many problems with Protel. Maybe it's time to have a look into some HW/SW compatibility in your PC, or, excuse my forbidden thoughts, change it

Re: [PEDA] Unplated pads

2002-09-19 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Just make them Top Layer pads. Igor -Original Message- From: Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 20 September 2002 10:34 AM To: Protel Data Forum (E-mail) Subject: [PEDA] Unplated pads Our board house has asked us to de-check the Plated box for single sided pads. Ok, 1

Re: [PEDA] Unplated pads

2002-09-19 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Or Bottom Layer, depends on your board. Igor -Original Message- From: Igor Gmitrovic Sent: Friday, 20 September 2002 11:09 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Unplated pads Just make them Top Layer pads. Igor -Original Message- From: Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [PEDA] Unplated pads

2002-09-19 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
- From: Igor Gmitrovic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 6:09 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Unplated pads Just make them Top Layer pads. Igor * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [PEDA] P99SE SP6 Problem with Update PCB generating duplicate nets or ot her errors.

2002-10-02 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Hi Brad, there were cases when I had to update a pcb two or three times before it completed correctly. Don't know why it happened. After that the board was done without any further problems. Regards, Igor -Original Message- From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:

Re: [PEDA] Update Schmatics from

2002-10-03 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
You could un-group the sch symbols by deleting them from the group in the library. Each part will then have its own symbol and the update should work. Igor -Original Message- From: Duane Foster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 4 October 2002 4:24 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum'

Re: [PEDA] flipping board

2002-10-09 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Tony, that would be one of the ways to create a pick'n place file for bottom layer. Igor -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 9:36 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum'; 'Protel Developers Forum'; 'Open Topic Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA]

Re: [PEDA] flipping board

2002-10-09 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Don't even joke about it. Shame on you ;) Igor -Original Message- From: Terry Creer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 12:46 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] flipping board -Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Re: [PEDA] flipping board

2002-10-09 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
remember where it came from (could have been a commercial website). TC -Original Message- From: Igor Gmitrovic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 2:03 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] flipping board Don't even joke about it. Shame on you ;) Igor

Re: [PEDA] WARNING!!! Junctions at + points can disappear in DXP

2002-10-14 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
All, I see there is a lot of diplomacy and politeness being flogged around. So, before we all get civilised again, let me throw some more oil into the fire. In my opinion there are legitimate, logical and electrically correct reasons to use 4-way junctions. E.g., if I wanted to represent the

Re: [PEDA] Graphic symbol on PCB?

2002-10-15 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Hugh, have the logo in .bmp black and white, then convert it to .dwg format and import it into the blank .pcb. Then create a component and place it into your PCB library. From there you can import it automatically through the netlist in any of your PCBs. Cheers, Igor -Original

Re: [PEDA] Protel99se and win2k fun

2002-10-16 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
JaMi, there it is, the root of your problems. You have only 128MB of RAM. Upgrade that and you will have Protel running happily and will save yourself a lot of frustration. And don't forget to install a video card with at least 16MB RAM. They don't even make them with less than 32MB today.

Re: [PEDA] Fan out Via clearance

2002-10-16 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Jon, if this is true, it then explains why all those short tracks appear under pads. Basically, it is not a gridless autorouter, unless there is a definition of 'gridless' that is different from my understanding of the word. Igor -Original Message- From: Jon Elson [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [PEDA] Pads disappearing - DXP - Earlier Version - DXP

2002-10-18 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
in an old version of Protel, then there is nothing a new version can fix. It's not the old format that is flawed, it's old data that is getting corrupted. I don't see what difficult to understand. Tony -Original Message- From: Igor Gmitrovic [mailto:igmitrovic;hpm.com.au] Sent

Re: [PEDA] Pads disappearing - DXP - Earlier Version - DXP

2002-10-18 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Brian, so it is still there. I have seen it in P3, P98 and P99 when importing files from previous versions of Protel into the latest version. DOS version files were the most probable to result in zero size pads. Igor -Original Message- From: Brian Watson

Re: [PEDA] Pads disappearing - DXP - Earlier Version - DXP

2002-10-18 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
- Earlier Version - DXP Well if the problems is with a version earlier than DXP, then maybe the problem is not still there. Maybe it's still with the older versions. It seems like it would be pretty easy to find, once someone notices it. -Original Message- From: Igor Gmitrovic

Re: [PEDA] Altium....Are you guys crazy!!!

2002-10-18 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
The odds seem to be zillion (of us) to one (Altium). The problem with gambling is that the rules are set by the guy who deals the cards. That also means the rules can be changed at any time. Igor -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:dsicon;integratedcontrolsinc.com] Sent:

Re: [PEDA] polygon fill

2002-11-04 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Interesting, a friend of mine working for another company reported the same problem today. The polygon Plane parameters were setup correctly. We tried to play with the DRC rules. It was the only polygon on the board. Nothing could be done. Any ideas? Igor -Original Message- From:

Re: [PEDA] Pick Place Data

2002-11-07 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Hi Steve, yes the protel PP file is usable. We use spreadsheet metric format, so it's easier to edit the file in Excel. Our origin is set onto one of the fiducial marks. The way you set the origin is defined by your PP machine and the way you panellise the board. There was some discussion

Re: [PEDA] Assembly Drawing generated from Protel99SE

2002-11-19 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Michael, we use both overlays and several mechanical layers to compile the assembly information. We assign different mechanical layers for Designators and Comments, as well as other information, such as dimensions, panellisation and glue stencil pads. And we use the Protel PCBPrint to print

Re: [PEDA] What else is under the hood

2002-11-21 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Mike, at least you would let us know about it and save us some frustration. Igor -Original Message- From: Mike Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 22 November 2002 1:07 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] What else is under the hood Dennis, This program sometimes

Re: [PEDA] Simple (?) Pasting Problem

2002-11-27 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Terry, you might have some hidden objects in your components. That would explain why Protel takes time to process it. Or your component may be corrupted in some other way. Try to select all the visible objects in the component and then copy-paste to a new component. Then check if it still does

Re: [PEDA] 10 best options I want

2002-12-03 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Brad, Mike my understanding of the question is that there are more than four footprints that could be used for a component. Let's say a capacitor. There are four footprint fields in the sch component library and there couldb be 53 different footprints one uses for capacitors. There is

Re: [PEDA] 10 best options I want

2002-12-03 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
you mean? Hope you have a good one, too. Regards, Igor Gmitrovic RD Engineer HPM Industries Pty Ltd Ph: ++ 61 2 9207 9550 Fax: ++ 61 2 9207 9554 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 4 December 2002 11:24 AM

Re: [PEDA] 10 best options I want

2002-12-04 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
at www.norsat.com. Limited quantities. Sale ends December 24, 2002. Contact your Account Manager or call 1-800-NII-4LNB or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Igor Gmitrovic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 5:28 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] 10

Re: [PEDA] Default Pointer

2002-12-05 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
John, File sharing feature works fine accross network and shared drives. If two users with the same access privileges try to open the same file, the second user will be denied access. The same second user can access other files in the same .ddb if they are not accessed by the first user. The

Re: [PEDA] Unable to Initialize

2002-12-05 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Dave, may sound trivial, but check your licence setting and make sure the autorouter is enabled. Regards Igor -Original Message- From: Sanders, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 6 December 2002 1:43 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Unable to Initialize

Re: [PEDA] Complex hierarchy?

2003-02-02 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Peter, in Tools-Annotate you can define how to annotate your schematic sheets. Choose to annotate the whole project and in Advanced Options dialog set the suffixes for each individual schematic sheet. That will enable you to differentiate between part naming on individual channels in your

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