Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Eating crow and moving OT

2001-05-07 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
to nasa andrew, awesome disclaimer there at the end... not exactly parallel, i realize, but for some reason it reminds of the movie Catch 22, where one fellow says, thats some catch... catch22. and the other guy says, yeah, its the best. ;-) miker -Original Message- From: Andrew

[PEDA] protel meeting at pcb west

2001-05-07 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, well i must have got wires crossed, cuz i went to the lafayette room at 7:30 thursday evening and there was a sign that the protel users group meeting had been moved down the hall but the only thing going on in that room was a symphonix meeting. oh well... disappointed i didn't get to

Re: [PEDA] Memory Error

2001-05-07 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
ditto here. protel fails to release a ton of memory after i've used it (as seen in the task manager). generally i have to reboot my system after a day of running protel. there for a while when i went to reboot, i'd close everything down, and then when i did the windows start/shutdown, it

Re: [PEDA] Reference

2001-05-07 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
i have a hard time separating board design from signal-integrity. in a perfect world an engineer sets up a set of design rules for the board layout person to work from. but no layout person should be working without knowledge of the principles involved. i had a medium-size board with about 150

Re: [PEDA] schematic on my PCB ??

2001-05-07 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
suggested, and go into design rules and get rid of the room definitions. thanks again, miker -Original Message- From: Peter Bennett [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:16 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] schematic on my PCB ?? Robison Michael

[PEDA] schematic on my PCB ??

2001-05-07 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i changed some things around on a multipage schematic for a previously built board, and now for some reason or other after i updated the pcb, i have red crosshatched squares on my pcb file that correspond to the pages of the schematic. i've tried refreshing the window and shutting it

[PEDA] irregular shaped holes ??

2001-07-18 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i've never had to place an irregular shaped hole in a board before, and i can't figure out how to do it. i looked up drill, hole, and irregular in the help and had no luck. its essentially an elongated circle. i kinda figure that it involves perhaps placing some lines and arcs on a

Re: [PEDA] irregular shaped holes ??

2001-07-18 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
on that? thanks again, miker -Original Message- From: Peter Bennett [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 3:42 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] irregular shaped holes ?? Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: hello, i've never had to place

Re: [PEDA] irregular shaped holes ??

2001-07-18 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
ian said: BTW - Mike, either you are not doing many PCBs or you are much more comfortable with Protel and PCB manufacture in general. I recall you thinking not so long ago, when you started in this game, that it was all a bit of a nightmare. Congratulations. * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Re: [PEDA] irregular shaped holes ??

2001-07-18 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
. miker -Original Message- From: Peter Bennett [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 5:11 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] irregular shaped holes ?? Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: thanks peter, recently we acquired some gerbers

Re: [PEDA] save copy as is worthless

2001-08-07 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
i've deleted some of this thread without reading it so i apologize if i repeat something, but when i first started using protel i turned my nose up at the database format, but then encountered some prob- lem reading the libraries (i am sorry that i cannot be more specific, but i'm sure the

[PEDA] multipage schematic question

2001-08-13 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i've only done a couple multi-sheet schematics and its been a while. the last few boards have been simple two-sided reworks of old boards and i didn't do a schematic for them... just the pcb. anyway, i created tmod_main.sch and put the sheet symbols for all the pages and then went thru

[PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-13 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hi everybody, well, i'm not having a banner day here. somebody else here needs to look at a pcb of mine in protel. since i'm using ddb's (it was either ddb's or not be able to read the footprints libraries) of course, there is no actual powsup.pcb. so i emailed him a 20MB ddb. we're still

Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-13 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
- From: Robison Michael R CNIN [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 5:15 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ?? it isn't broke on my system... ivan just can't open it on his machine. like i said, since i can't send him an actual

Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-13 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
think it could be what I had seen before. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Robison Michael R CNIN

Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-13 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
] ddb transfer failure ?? Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: hi everybody, well, i'm not having a banner day here. somebody else here needs to look at a pcb of mine in protel. since i'm using ddb's (it was either ddb's or not be able to read the footprints libraries) of course

Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-13 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
Elson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 5:43 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ?? Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: it isn't broke on my system... ivan just can't open it on his machine. like i said, since i can't send him

Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-14 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
Robison Michael R CNIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/13/2001 06:57:19 PM Please respond to Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Rob LaMoreaux/DSPT) Subject: Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ?? libraries was what i was thinking too

Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-14 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
management electronics for OEMs http://www.PowerStream.com - Original Message - From: Robison Michael R CNIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ?? it isn't broke on my system

Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-14 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
Robison Michael R CNIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/14/2001 11:52:13 AM Please respond to Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Rob LaMoreaux/DSPT) Subject: Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ?? hi rob, what exactly do you export

Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-14 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
?? Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: hi chris, ivan is a mechanical engineer who is gonna do a heat sink for the board. i built this pcb from crude old hardcopy drawings and an stripped board. he was wanting to open it in protel so that he could mouseover the layout and get dimensions

[PEDA] can't add component library access ??

2001-08-14 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, its been a while since i built a component library and it was kinda tricky the first time so i just kept adding to the same lib and using it for all my jobs. now i've come to where i need to create a new library and i'm having some trouble. i created the library with no problem:

Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-14 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:53 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ?? Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: thanks colby, i just called ivan and asked if he had tried the zipped ddb that i sent him. the file was also not opened

[PEDA] IGNORE COMP LIB ACCESS POST

2001-08-14 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
- From: Robison Michael R CNIN Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:54 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: [PEDA] can't add component library access ?? hello, its been a while since i built a component library and it was kinda tricky the first time so i just kept adding to the same lib

[PEDA] duping parts in a multi-part component ??

2001-08-15 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i've set up a 6-part component in my component library and i built up the first part and now i want to copy this first part into the second part and then edit the pin numbers and remove the vcc and gnd, but i can't figure out how to copy the first part into the second part. i tried to

Re: [PEDA] duping parts in a multi-part component ??

2001-08-15 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
Message- From: Andrew J Jenkins [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 9:16 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] duping parts in a multi-part component ?? On 09:05 AM 8/15/2001 -0500, Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: hello, i've set up a 6-part component

Re: [PEDA] Antwort: duping parts in a multi-part component ??

2001-08-15 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
be a simple thing that you are doing wrong. Regards, Gisbert Robison Michael R CNIN An: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robison_M@craneKopie: (Blindkopie: Gisbert Auge/NAT

Re: [PEDA] duping parts in a multi-part component ??

2001-08-15 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Robison Michael R CNIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 7:06 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum

[PEDA] nets and ports ??

2001-08-30 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, we bid and got a job to remanufacture some legacy boards out of an old military system that has finally started to go low on spares. several were modest two-layer boards. they had crude trace and drill drawings to look at, but no gerbers. i'm working on a 10-layer one now. i decided

Re: [PEDA] nets and ports ??

2001-08-30 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
page schematic that is filled with multi-netted nodes which are not being interpretted in protel as i meant them to be. miker -Original Message- From: Robison Michael R CNIN Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 3:21 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [PEDA] nets and ports

Re: [PEDA] nets and ports ??

2001-08-30 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
+5.3V attached to a wire going to VCC. Could it be you accidently used the PlaceNetLabel when you really wanted to PlaceAnnotation? I know I have done this and gotten some really weird net names like Do Not Run Close to Chassis Ground. Rob Robison Michael R CNIN [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [PEDA] nets and ports ??

2001-08-31 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Robison Michael R CNIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 3:05 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] nets and ports ?? well, from looking the netlist

Re: [PEDA] PCB Design Conference East

2001-09-06 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
i decided to skip the eastern conference in favor of another go at the western one this spring. i hate to get greedy and push my luck. i might go for the certification this next time. wonder if i'd get a fancy piece of paper to frame and hang on my walls? ;-) miker -Original

[PEDA] fix for no multi-named nets

2001-09-18 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, this is just a comment post and not a question. i wrote about a month ago about a problem i was having with not being able to assign multiple names to the same net. although this sounds like an unreasonable, unnecessary, and dubious practice, it was actually the result of a simple

[PEDA] protel schematics (comment only)

2001-09-18 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i've just copied another non-protel schematic into protel. ended up with 12 pages that print out well in 11x14. my comment is that protel does some DARN nice-looking schematics. i do my schematics a bit differently than some people. it seems that some people thrive on tiny print and

[PEDA] professionalism (comment only)

2001-09-18 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, talkative this morning, aren't i? ;-) i wanted to commend the professionalism of this group in avoiding the nasty hawk/dove thread concerning the recent terrorist attacks. with no exception, in every newsgroup or email list that i've seen it occur, it turned into an ugly, vicious

[PEDA] eliminating solder mask ??

2001-09-18 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, well another embarrassing newbie question from someone who should no better. production is having trouble getting some heat sinks to stay glued to the solder mask on some prototype boards. the decision has been made to not use a solder mask. the boards will be conformal coated anyway.

Re: [PEDA] eliminating solder mask ??

2001-09-19 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
thanks to all who responded. i've absorbed some of it and i'm still chewing on the rest. the one comment that i just tell the board shop not to solder mask it is going to work. i called advanced circuits (hope i'm not breaking the rules by mentioning them) and they said not only was it no

Re: [PEDA] fix for no multi-named nets

2001-09-19 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 2:34 PM To: Protel EDA Forum; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: [PEDA] fix for no multi-named nets At 07:18 AM 9/18/01 -0500, Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: this is just a comment post

Re: [PEDA] eliminating solder mask ??

2001-09-20 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
imagine would cause major problems. If you really must glue your heatsinks, just put a fill on the solder mask layer. Robison Michael R CNIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 09/19/2001 10:16:00 PM Please respond to Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL

[PEDA] manual routing on multiple layers ??

2001-09-24 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, there's a pretty decent section in the protel manual on manually routing a design, but i didn't find the answer to my questions. i am working on a pcb that needs to be duplicated as close as possible to the original. i have an old schematic and some hardcopy artwork for the 10 layers.

Re: [PEDA] pld design

2001-09-26 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
we've done 22V10 pals. be glad to help you out. miker -Original Message- From: david lawson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:47 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] pld design anyone done a pld using 99se? if you have i'd like to speak

[PEDA] update schematic problem ??

2001-09-26 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i built an IC component and i incorrectly numbered the ground pin as 17 instead of the 7 it should have been. i used three of them in the schematic and it was flagged when i went to update the pcb. i changed the component library, updated the schematic, but only one of the chips got

[PEDA] gerbers from a scan ??

2001-10-18 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i guess our customer on this board rebuild job is happy with us and has given us a bunch more boards to do. over half of them are simple two-sided boards. with no existing gerbers, up til now i've been recreating these in protel with a stripped board and a set of calipers. this issue

Re: [PEDA] gerbers from a scan ??

2001-10-22 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
-42 Fax. +49 6023 9487-33 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- - Original Message - From: Robison Michael R CNIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:33 PM Subject: [PEDA] gerbers from a scan ?? hello, i guess our customer

Re: [PEDA] gerbers from a scan ??

2001-10-22 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
___ Robison Michael R CNIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 10/18/2001 11:33:17 PM Please respond to Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Clive Broome/sdc) Subject: [PEDA] gerbers from a scan ?? hello, i guess our customer on this board

[PEDA] elusive traces

2001-10-25 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i've gone thru and hand-routed a 10-layer board from my protel schematic and bad artwork of the original layers. as suggested, i set the design rules for un-routed traces and it pointed out a few to me. here's what i ran into: i went to correct one of the unrun traces. it appeared

[PEDA] layer color problem

2001-10-25 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i noticed that layer 2 and 6 traces are exactly the same color. so i went to tools/preferences/colors/signal layers and the topLayer and 3 midLayers are there but the midLayer 4, 5, and 6 beyond that are grayed out. HOWEVER, if i scroll all the way to the bottom, beyond the midlayer27,

Re: [PEDA] PCB promo

2001-10-31 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
i believe it was advanced circuits, tony. i recommend them. miker -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 6:01 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] PCB promo This is a little off topic, but you're the right

[PEDA] keepoutlayer and planes ??

2001-11-08 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, we're duplicating some legacy boards. in order to avoid flight testing i hand-routed the traces to match the old artwork. i believe that i just came close to making a SERIOUS mistake. i used the pcb wizard to generate the board but then hand-editted the various notches in it. the

Re: [PEDA] keepoutlayer and planes ??

2001-11-08 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
Michael R CNIN said: hello, my questions: 1. the dark green i'm seeing represents the negative, or holes, in the power plane, correct? Correct 2. after simply drawing the keepoutlayer back in, i am not seeing the dark green power plane void outside the keepoutlayer. does this mean

[PEDA] dual-sided connector footprint ??

2001-11-16 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i just finished a board that had an connector with little smt-type feet, some that contacted with the top, some that contacted with the bottom of the board. i played with getting a footprint with top and bottom pads, but it didn't seem to want to cooperate, so i ended up hacking it and

Re: [PEDA] dual-sided connector footprint ??

2001-11-19 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
?? Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: hello, i just finished a board that had an connector with little smt-type feet, some that contacted with the top, some that contacted with the bottom of the board. i played with getting a footprint with top and bottom pads, but it didn't seem to want

[PEDA] update schematic failure solution

2001-12-05 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, some of you may remember that a few months ago i had difficulty changing my component library and getting the schematic to successfully update. i believe i may have seen the light. i ran into this problem again. it was even replacing transistors that i had already used with different

[PEDA] power port but no plane ??

2001-12-11 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i'm duplicating a legacy card from the card and some hardcopies of the layer artwork. i assumed that there was a power and ground plane when i did the schematic, but when i finished i discovered that there is only a ground plane. does a power port require a plane? i looked at the help

Re: [PEDA] laptops (again), Nvidia graphics, OS recommendations

2001-12-12 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
laptops are available with plenty of computing power to handle protel, but screen size is a limiting factor. although you might consider 1024x768 on a 15 screen a minimum, you better be VERY sure that the higher rez screens (dell is calling them ultra xga, i believe, and they go to 1600x1200, i

[PEDA] special board requirements ??

2001-12-20 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, the board shop that i've been using has been doing an excellent job for me, but i've got a board now that they can't do. its extra fat and it needs some milling done on it. can anyone recommend a shop that will do it for me? i need a 330mil thick board with 70mil taken off of mirrored

Re: [PEDA] special board requirements ??

2001-12-21 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
for a thruhole pad? thanks, miker -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 5:58 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] special board requirements ?? At 09:03 AM 12/20/01 -0500, Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: i need a 330mil

Re: [PEDA] special board requirements ??

2001-12-23 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
]] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 5:58 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] special board requirements ?? At 09:03 AM 12/20/01 -0500, Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: i need a 330mil thick board with 70mil taken off of mirrored sections on both sides. i'm thinking a 100mil radius tolerance

Re: [PEDA] Board Mirroring

2002-01-07 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hi sean, i don't believe that it can be done. it would be a handy item. i sometimes must reproduce a two-layer board by merely looking and taking measurements from the board. i've also run into several boards with the silkscreening on the bottom. being able to lay traces and silkscreen a

Re: [PEDA] Board Mirroring

2002-01-07 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
learning to visually reverse a mirror-image was one of the first skills i picked up doing circuit boards. however, i still have a hard time verifying a silkscreened bottom as is. my standard operating procedure on that is to mirror it and print it out and compare it to the actual board i'm

[PEDA] Routing uncompleted ??

2002-02-04 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i had a 4 layer board with 2 planes and 2 layers of traces. it routed 100% but then was taking forever trying to resolve contentions. i stopped it and added two more layers for traces. its now going to 99% routing completion and stopping, with 2 connections remaining. this took under 3

[PEDA] routing uncompleted II

2002-02-04 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
earlier i posted: i had a 4 layer board with 2 planes and 2 layers of traces. it routed 100% but then was taking forever trying to resolve contentions. i stopped it and added two more layers for traces. its now going to 99% routing completion and stopping, with 2 connections remaining. this

Re: [PEDA] routing uncompleted II

2002-02-04 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
Dennis Saputelli said: we generally have a few unrouted and generally they are surprisingly easy to put in. *** thanks dennis, i did a design rules check and i had 15 shorts and 15 corresponding clearance constraints. scared me good! i looked at some of the problems and

[PEDA] autoroute endless loop...

2002-02-04 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, for the first time i've attempted to lock down some pre-laid traces and then have the autorouter finish the job. i believe that i've followed the directions on p.576-577 of the protel99 design book by clicking one of the laid traces, locking it, and then extending that to all the traces

[PEDA] routing uncompleted III

2002-02-05 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
i said: i did a design rules check and i had 15 shorts and 15 corresponding clearance constraints. scared me good! i looked at some of the problems and there were vias and traces with no net. i was clueless. they wouldn't go away with an unroute. mr. lomax said: This is what happens when

[PEDA] setting design rules for autoroute

2002-02-05 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
last year i attended the pcb west and did the lee richey (sp?) 2-day seminar. somebody asked him if the very high- tech boards required hand-laying the traces, and he implied that because of some of boards' complexity, it simply wasn't practical. he said that you simply set up the design rules

[PEDA] design rules/autoroute discrepancy

2002-02-05 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i believe i've discerned a problem (feature?) involving the autorouter and the design rules check. if i roll a schematic onto a pcb, and then place a no net trace on the board thats attached to nothing, the autorouter is blind to it but the design rules checker picks up on it. correct?

Re: [PEDA] routing uncompleted III

2002-02-05 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hi brock, thanks for the suggestion on doing an undo instead of an unroute. sounds like a good one. miker *** I don't think you should do an Un-route after a failed autorouter pass. An Undo will remove all the junk and take you back to where you started. I have only

[PEDA] Gerber Error: Film too small ??

2002-02-05 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, well, it must be just the end of the day and i'm having a stupid attack. i wrapped this one board up and went to generate the gerbers, just like i've done 20 times before (or so i think), and i get an error dialog saying The Film is too small for this PCB. i wonder if that means i left

[PEDA] I fixed the Film too small error

2002-02-05 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i apologize for posting in such haste. i went back and cut the dimensioning graphics and the information box and it generated the gerbers with no problem. there must have been something else there, cuz surely those wouldn't have botched the gerber generation. thanks, miker * * * * *

Re: [PEDA] rotation of a schematic component ??

2002-02-12 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
thanks to everybody who posted. i think i can live with drawing a single 45 degree diode and then rotating it. and the zero-length pin lead is a good hint too... i hadn't thought of that. thanks again, miker * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message:

[PEDA] OT: congratulations !!

2002-02-15 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
mr. lomax said: I've done printed circuit design for about 25 years, it raised my five children -- and now we are adopting a daughter from China, hopefully we will be assigned a child by April or May and will travel to pick her up in June or July. *** congratulations on your new

Re: [PEDA] What does printed circuit board mean to you?

2002-02-20 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
darryl says: SHAME ON PROTEL FOR PROVIDING UNSTABLE, FLAKY-ASS, SO-CALLED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SOFTWARE THAT ROBS ME OF MY TIME aND my BEAUTY SLEEP! sorry to hear you lost your work. but i have never used any software packages (other than a few small utilities) that don't occasionally

[PEDA] how does smt work ??

2002-02-20 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, well, thats a pretty dumb question, isn't it? hahaha. but i'm serious. i'm trying to reproduce a board which has smt top and bottom, and it appears that some of the smt pads overlap from top to bottom. so how do smt pads work? on a thru-hole, they obviously go thru the entire board.

[PEDA] help with a stack ??

2002-02-21 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i've got a negative (ECL) and a positive (TTL) power plane on a board i'm doing. right now i'm figuring on a matching ground plane for each power supply, spaced close to the rail for switching capacitance. here's the stack i'm thinking of: critical traces gnd -5.2V noncritical

[PEDA] stackup name discrepancies ??

2002-02-22 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i've been having a bit of trouble recently with my readme file that i send in with the board stackup. i get the names by right-clicking on the pcb and selecting options/layer stack manager. but the board shop has complained some times that it doesn't match my gerbers, and i have to

Re: [PEDA] stackup name discrepancies ??

2002-02-22 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
mr. lomax said: That's the problem with introducing new features, the implementation is not always complete. It's only recently that Protel gave us the option of naming layers. These names do not readily translate to file extensions with three letter names, so Protel did not modify the plot

[PEDA] monitor recommendations ??

2002-03-05 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i'm using a 4-year-old ilyama 21 inch crt monitor now, and thats a pretty big monitor, but its less than 20 inches actually, and its just not enough for me. in order to drag parts around on the pcb, i need to zoom out to find them (i'm aware of the edit/jump feature, but its awkward to

Re: [PEDA] monitor recommendations ??

2002-03-05 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
WHOOPS! slightly erroneous terminology. when i said flatscreen, i meant lcd, although i'm interested in anything that is good, including a flatscreen crt. miker -Original Message- From: Robison Michael R CNIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 1:33 PM

Re: [PEDA] monitor recommendations ??

2002-03-05 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
brian said: | WHOOPS! slightly erroneous terminology. when i said | flatscreen, i meant lcd, although i'm interested in | anything that is good, including a flatscreen crt. Where's the difference between your previous post this one? *** in the previous one i mentioned

[PEDA] minimum SMD to plane constraint ?

2002-03-06 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i'm working with smt for the first time, and the board has 576MHz piped onboard thru a coax, so some signal integrity issues arise. i've established a stack that will give me a controlled impedance, and after laying a few critical lines by hand, i want to allow autorouting to complete

[PEDA] hidden fields (maybe)

2002-03-16 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i altered a pcb by deleting the part types by merely clicking on them on the pcb and spacing in the field under attributes. there are probably about 250 components. just this morning i added a couple resistors to the schematic and updated the pcb, and to my horror, all those part

Re: [PEDA] hidden fields (maybe)

2002-03-16 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i just noticed something odd. i thought i should experiment a bit and try and feel my way thru this problem, so i chose a capacitor on the schematic and checked the hidden fields in the attributes and hit ok and when i looked at the schematic it had a row of astericks below the chip.

[PEDA] footprint trouble

2002-03-17 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i'm finishing up a pcb that somebody else started. i've added two resistors to the schematic and when i go to update the pcb, i don't get any errors but under warnings it says that i'm missing two footprints. the components that use those footprints look fine on the pcb, and the

Re: [PEDA] footprint trouble

2002-03-18 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
dwight said: Have you checked the library list in PCB? Double-check footprint spelling? -Original Message- From: Robison Michael R CNIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 7:43 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: [PEDA] footprint trouble hmm... i'll have

[PEDA] disappearing via

2002-04-01 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i did a schematic and interactively routed a board. i laid the traces according to orignial artwork that i have hard copies of. i noticed early on that some of the traces are redundant, perhaps to either shorten a path or simply add some more copper. anyway, i've found one redundant

Re: [PEDA] Can ProtelPLD compile Verilog?

2002-04-02 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
and please don't forget that verilog hdl and vhdl are not the same thing. it wasn't obvious to me at first. miker -Original Message- From: Phillip Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:42 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Can ProtelPLD compile

[PEDA] drill hole with no plating ?

2002-04-04 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i've been using a thru-hole pad with the pad smaller than the hole for a nonplated drill hole. i thought i was being slick. now i've had two different board shops chewing my rear for it in a one week period. how do i properly designate an unplated hole using protel? thank you,

[PEDA] library orientation of designators and types ??

2002-04-08 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i created a component in a library and when i place it on the schematic, the part designator and type are way off where they don't belong. i've got other components that are fine, but i can't find the difference and i can't figure out how to adjust the default locations for these fields

Re: [PEDA] library orientation of designators and types ??

2002-04-08 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
the part is, and not anything close to where i'm clicking, so i'm even further confused. thanks again, miker -Original Message- From: Robison Michael R CNIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:42 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: [PEDA] library orientation

[PEDA] library orientation of designators and types !!

2002-04-08 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i appreciate everyone posting on my problem. somebody suggested rotating the component a couple times to fix the problem. i found something revealing when i did this. the component is a simple capacitor that i made myself. when i first grabbed the component and also on the first 90

[PEDA] dashed box around designator

2002-04-12 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i'm doing a schematic in protel and when i cruise around and click to change the font on the component designators, every so often one of them gets a dashed square around it with a dashed line leading off to some point. once i get the darned dashed box around the designator, i can't get

Re: [PEDA] dashed box around designator

2002-04-12 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
thanks for responding terry. for the life of me, i can't get the focus off this one designator. i've slow clicked and fast clicked a billion times elsewhere. i'm wiring it now and the thing is still selected. i had the same thing happen on earlier pages of the schematic and i finally got

[PEDA] interactive routing fill ??

2002-04-17 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i'm doing some interactive routing to match some old hard- copy art work for a board. some of the traces flair out into small planes. i've done a fill before, but never with an interactively routed trace. any information on how to do this would be appreciated. i did a schematic

[PEDA] transparent backgrounds ??

2002-04-17 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, it was mentioned here a while ago that if i had hardcopy artwork, i could scan it, get it sized appropriately, and add it as a transparent background for me to use as a guide for interactive routing. is this correct? i'm at a point where that would be a convenient capability. i can

Re: [PEDA] interactive routing fill ??

2002-04-17 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
my apologies. it appears that i have found the answer to this question on p.491 of the old protel 99 book. it says that i merely start the fill on the corner of an object which has the net name i want the fill to be. thanks, miker -Original Message- From: Robison Michael R CNIN

[PEDA] net connections for a fill ?

2002-04-18 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i'm having a bit of trouble with how fills connect to thru-holes. first, the book says, a fill will adopt a net name if the first corner is placed on an object which has a net name. well i'm starting a fill right on thru-hole CR31_1, and then when i drag out a fill and then double-click

[PEDA] deleting a mechanical layer ??

2002-04-18 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i've spent most of the day trying to massage a raster of some old pcb layers so that i can import it into protel to use as a guide for rerouting the traces close to their original paths. i got the rasters converted into pcb's by using the bmptopcb program with no problem. it was my

Re: [PEDA] deleting a mechanical layer ??

2002-04-18 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
sorry again! i got it: edit/select/all on layer this empties the layer and allows me to reuse it for another raster import, which is what i wanted to be able to do. thanks, miker * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * *

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