Re: [PEDA] [OT] Gun violence

2002-10-22 Thread Wojciech Oborski
Guys,

Why don't you go to:
http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html
and read the rules of this forum once again.

Or why don't you go back and read what the Forum Administrator
posted on 12.09.2002:
snip
 ...more members are leaving than joining. The overwhelming reason given
 is the flood of off topic discussion ...
snip

Think a while about it, please.
I'm not jumping on anybody, I just kindly ask to go back on topic.

Wojciech Oborski

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Re: [PEDA] [OT] Gun violence (was Top Notch Talent for Troubleshooting.)

2002-10-21 Thread Tony Karavidas


 -Original Message-
 From: Julian Higginson [mailto:J.Higginson;lake.com.au]
 Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 6:33 PM
 To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
 Subject: Re: [PEDA] Top Notch Talent for Troubleshooting.
 
 
 
 
  From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:techsupport;bagotronix.com]
 
  Criminals will always have guns.  Criminals don't worry about 
  whether or not they are breaking a particular gun control law, or 
  any law for that matter.
  That's why they are called criminals.  ;-)
  
 bollocks. Just like most gun advocates your argument has at
 least one massive flaw. 
 This particular flaw is - your whole country is saturated 
 with weapons. one state outlawing guns wont stop people 
 taking them across the border... you need to ban them nationwide.
 
 Why don't you go online and look up info on murder rates in
 countries that have strict gun laws? Japan, england are two 
 good examples. Still people get shot, but its a lot less common.

Or look at China and consider the people have no way to protect
themselves from the government while the government fires at them from
the protection of military tanks.



  Private ownership of guns has a certain deterrence factor.
 
 or you can say it escalates the level to which violent
 confrontations reach.
   
 How many people die in the US each year through drunken
 arguments that escalate to the point of macho cowboys pulling 
 out their steel penises and waving them in each others faces?

Or look at the Middle East and consider the macho man with his real
penis holding the power of man over women. How many women are executed
at the 'hand' of man there?? You don't need a gun to kill.




 More guns on the street means more opportunity for people on
 the street to get shot. end of story.

I guess, but considering we have some of the best human rights laws in
the world AND our government hasn't been greatly changed in a couple
centuries (or overthrown), we're doing ok.



 
  If a criminal
  thinks you might have a gun, he will be less likely to commit an act

  of violence against you.
 
 Or he's really desperate and 8has* to steal money so pulls
 out his own gun, bought from the same 7-11 you got yours and 
 puts a bullet through your face and your girlfriend's face 
 before taking your wallets.

What's the difference if you're knifed to death, shot to death, beaten
to death? You're still dead.


 
  If you have a gun, and the criminal is
  crazy enough
  to attack you anyway, you can shoot him.  Then he will be
  dead, commit no
  more acts of violence, and justice will have been better 
  served than by any
  court system and prison sentence.
  
 Oh dear. if you really feel this is the way to do things, I
 feel very sorry for you. Do you know anyone who has been 
 killed with a gun?
 
 Julian


  
Yes, suicide was one. Of course that is only one way to kill yourself.
Around here, the Golden Gate bridge is another popular way.

This is highly off topic and probably should not go on.

Tony


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