Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-12 Thread John A. Ross [Design]
want to appreciate the humour ;) John -Original Message- From: Abd ulRahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 2:56 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation? At 07:16 PM 4/11/2004, John A. Ross [RSDTV

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-12 Thread edsi
John wrote You can hardly call me silent, I am certainly not in Jami's league when it comes to hell raising but I am certainly not quiet (no insult intended Jami). I will vouch for Mr. Ross, He has helped me out on several occasions, including translating a PADs file or two Thanks John and

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-11 Thread Dennis Saputelli
so as a friend of mine once said: 'you got any _good_ news'? our 2004 has still not arrived i was advised by altium that the CDs were 'injected' into the US mail system in mid march (i'll leave that comment as the straight man setup line) it has been a long long stated goal of protel to offer a

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-11 Thread John A. Ross [RSDTV]
PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation? At 02:40 PM 4/10/2004, John A. Ross [RSDTV] wrote: It is a sad fact that Altium would prefer to listen to the 'few' than the many as regards how their tools are now styled, viewed

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-11 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 07:16 PM 4/11/2004, John A. Ross [RSDTV] wrote: You can hardly call me silent [...] I'm not sure where Mr. Ross lives, but in the United States various politicians have been known to use the term silent majority to claim that anyone who disagrees with them merely represents some extremist

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-10 Thread hwasti
Brooks,Bill wrote: This is pretty damning commentary. And maybe a bit 'rash'... What exactly do you mean by calling the commentary rash ? Logically, their business model tried to change awhile back... they tried to introduce a system whereby support services would be the revenue stream to

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-10 Thread hwasti
Matt Pobursky wrote: As for me and my PCB designer -- we've decided to use Protel 99SE until it becomes impractical for us. That is where I was last July after giving DXP a try. However, I got a project out of the blue that I was not sure could be done in 99SE. At that point, it was too

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-10 Thread Rich Thompson
I got my 2004 disks last week, so far I have found it to be very good. Much better than DXP. The new schematic wiring modes are great, real time savers, and the sch display is neater too. PCB hasn't changed much compared to dxp but I like that side mostly anyway. The whole package 'seems'

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-10 Thread Christopher Coley
found a work around or that I was doing something wrong. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 11:45 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation? Brooks,Bill wrote

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:44 AM 4/10/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [re Altium's essay into software maintenance fees] And why did we reject the idea? I can not speak for you, but I can speak for myself. There were two reasons. First, when I bought 99SE, it came with support included in the price I paid for it.

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:51 PM 4/10/2004, Christopher Coley wrote: I am getting fairly fed up with all this negativism towards Altium. With all due respect, if the negativism is leading to digestive disturbances, the sensible thing is to stop reading the thread which is clearly, on the face, about alternatives to

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-10 Thread John A. Ross [RSDTV]
-Original Message- From: edsi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 6:48 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation? snip Altium better start to listen to folks like Ray. Ray came to the same

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-10 Thread Tony Karavidas
-Original Message- From: Matt Pobursky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 2:30 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation? On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:19:34 -0700, Brooks,Bill wrote: This is pretty damning

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-10 Thread Tony Karavidas
-Original Message- From: Matt Pobursky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 2:06 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation? I took a look at the Pulsonix website today and I must say I'm impressed

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:40 PM 4/10/2004, John A. Ross [RSDTV] wrote: It is a sad fact that Altium would prefer to listen to the 'few' than the many as regards how their tools are now styled, viewed and the direction that they have taken. This brings us to a classic problem, that of the alleged silent majority.

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-10 Thread hwasti
Joe Sapienza wrote: This past week I was invited to a show and tell of one of the competitor products new versions. Pray tell what competitor's product art thou looking at. Hamid * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-10 Thread Joe Sapienza
contacted for whatevers. Do they offer me a free upgrade maintenance or anything else? Heck no The product was PADS. Joe - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-10 Thread edsi
The problem with DXP, it is fairly widely acknowledged, is that its increased power has come with an increased complexity which has not yet been sufficiently been compensated by ease-of-use enhancements. An experienced 99SE user is going to face a serious retraining hit at this time. The

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-09 Thread edsi
Ray The choice is simple you need to purchase Mentor Expedition , appox cost 36K. Simply the best Mike Reagan EDSI -- Original Message -- From: Ray Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-09 Thread Brooks,Bill
Ray, I made the mistake that you are considering before. The group I was with in Temecula bought Pads on my misguided recommendation... I was taken in by the demo. The guys made it look so easy, then when I got the software and realized they sold me a package that was stripped down compared to

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-09 Thread Brooks,Bill
-Original Message- From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 9:55 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation? The 'best' program out there by popular opinion... I hate to say this... Is supposedly Mentor

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-09 Thread Leon Heller
- Original Message - From: Ray Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 3:41 PM Subject: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation? Our group has used Protel for years. I've tried to get everyone to change to something else for

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-09 Thread Tom Robinson
Hi Leon; Is the phone support good at Pulsonix? tr :) -Original Message- From: Leon Heller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 1:53 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation? - Original Message - From

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-09 Thread Leon Heller
- Original Message - From: Tom Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation? Hi Leon; Is the phone support good at Pulsonix? Very good. Someone

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-09 Thread Tom Robinson
How about phone support in the USA? tr :) -Original Message- From: Leon Heller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 3:07 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation? - Original Message - From: Tom Robinson

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-09 Thread Leon Heller
- Original Message - From: Tom Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation? How about phone support in the USA? The US distributor is LPKF. I don't know

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-09 Thread Joe Sapienza
] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation? I am in agreement with Bill Brooks and his comments about PADS. I too own a seat of PADS. Unfortunately for $8500 I can't use it. DXF is an option

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-09 Thread Brooks,Bill
Message- From: Joe Sapienza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 12:35 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation? Mike, You left out the surprise that Dimensioning is also an OPTION, yes it is designed for and by marketing

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-09 Thread Joe Sapienza
- Original Message - From: Brooks,Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation? I'm sure they were former auto salesmen ... 'oh, you want brakes with it... well that's

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-09 Thread Brooks,Bill
To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation? edsi wrote: Altium better start to listen to folks like Ray. Ray came to the same conclusions that everyone else has about DXP without anyone holding a prompter if front of him. Ray's statement

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-09 Thread Matt Pobursky
On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:19:34 -0700, Brooks,Bill wrote: Those big vendors like Cadence and Mentor will all adopt the old business model because the only players will be big companies... no competition, maybe Protel can't compete. Or maybe we just don't see the whole picture... Lots of 'maybes'

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-09 Thread ajenkins
So I assume they use it as a budle for their PCB milling machines? -Original Message- From: Leon Heller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 3:34 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-09 Thread Leon Heller
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation? So I assume they use it as a budle for their PCB milling machines? Yes, Pulsonix has a file output facility

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-09 Thread Cliff Gerhard
of having to pick a new CAD system. o~o Cliff Gerhard, P.E. E-M Designs, Inc. -Original Message- From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 12:48 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-09 Thread Dennis Saputelli
Cliff Gerhard, P.E. E-M Designs, Inc. -Original Message- From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 12:48 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation? I'm sure they were former auto salesmen

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation? PCAD

2004-04-09 Thread John Strupat
How about the other Altium package, PCAD? I'm amazed that Altium markets both when I can't find a straight up comparison between them. John Strupat JST Limited * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-09 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 01:50 PM 4/9/2004, Leon Heller wrote: Have a look at Pulsonix: http://www.pulsonix.com It was developed from scratch by a group of people who used to work for Zuken-Redac, support is excellent. Unlike Altium, they fix bugs immediately they come to light. There are a number of small companies