Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-14 Thread rlamoreaux



It was determined a while back that closing a DDB with a print preview open
caused problems when the ddb was opened and the printer the preview was
using was no longer available. If you left the print preview open and he
has a diffferent printer this could be causing the problem.

Of course for mechanical people I just export an AutoCad 13 or 14 DWG.
They seem to like that better than the PCB itself.

Rob





Robison Michael R CNIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/13/2001 06:57:19
PM

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libraries was what i was thinking too, and it still could be that.  to
be honest, i'm a configuration pig.  i've got several jobs in this ddb,
and i'm almost positive that some of the jobs call libraries from
another ddb.  but the job i wanted him to see used no libraries.  i
just brute-force plunked down pads and traces and slapped some
silkscreen notations on it. no footprints at all.

but its the entire ddb that won't open, not the specific job, so maybe
the libraries are a problem.  that could be messy to fix.  i'll look into
it.

thanks, miker

 -Original Message-
 From:   Jon Elson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent:   Monday, August 13, 2001 5:43 PM
 To: Protel EDA Forum
 Subject: Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??



 Robison Michael R CNIN wrote:

  it isn't broke on my system...  ivan just can't open it on his
  machine.  like i said, since i can't send him an actual powsup.pcb,
  i sent him the whole darned ddb.  maybe thats not the way to move
  a job from one pc to another, but thats the method i tried, anyway.

 Well, why CAN'T you mail him the PCB?  You CAN export it from the DDB,
and
 you'll get a PCB file.  He will get asked to specify a DDB on his system.

  bottom line:  the ddb works fine on my machine.  i email it to
  him and get the access violation error.  maybe all the information
  was not contained in the ddb.

 I'm guessing libraries, but not sure.

 Jon






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Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-14 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN

hi rob,

what exactly do you export to a dwg?  that would be the gerbers, right?
he's needing measurements to the centers of all the pads so he can
work the heatsink plate around them.  and they're using solid edge for
a cad package, although i assume it imports dwg's alright.  is there any
particular gerber that i want to export for him?  i've done just a tiny
amount
of work with camtastic, changing a silkscreen on a pcb to reflect our cage
number.  beyond that, i'm not very good with gerbers.  i know that i have
been told that i should review the gerbers before shipping them off, but
that
is of little value when i wouldn't even know what i was looking for.

my response this morning to the problem was twofold:  i made sure
the ddb was not open, and i zipped it before i sent it to him.  although
your posts have pushed me towards giving them one of the gerbers
exported as a dwg (i think), ulterior motives (mine) wanna see that darned 
ddb opened on another machine.

i do not do system backups.  i back up specific work directories to a
network drive.  if these files won't open on another machine, then my
whole backup procedure is questionable.  i figure i've got well over $100K
worth of protel work backed up.  i'm a civilian employee for the navy, and
they are a pretty easy bunch to work for.  but if my system hard-crashed
and i couldn't reload all those protel board files from backup, i think they
might get a bit upset.  ;-) 

thanks, miker

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 10:15 AM
 To:   Protel EDA Forum
 Subject:  Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
 
 
 
 It was determined a while back that closing a DDB with a print preview
 open
 caused problems when the ddb was opened and the printer the preview was
 using was no longer available. If you left the print preview open and he
 has a diffferent printer this could be causing the problem.
 
 Of course for mechanical people I just export an AutoCad 13 or 14 DWG.
 They seem to like that better than the PCB itself.
 
 Rob
 
 
 
 
 
 Robison Michael R CNIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/13/2001 06:57:19
 PM
 
 Please respond to Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
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 cc:(bcc: Rob LaMoreaux/DSPT)
 Subject:  Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
 
 
 
 
 libraries was what i was thinking too, and it still could be that.  to
 be honest, i'm a configuration pig.  i've got several jobs in this ddb,
 and i'm almost positive that some of the jobs call libraries from
 another ddb.  but the job i wanted him to see used no libraries.  i
 just brute-force plunked down pads and traces and slapped some
 silkscreen notations on it. no footprints at all.
 
 but its the entire ddb that won't open, not the specific job, so maybe
 the libraries are a problem.  that could be messy to fix.  i'll look into
 it.
 
 thanks, miker
 
  -Original Message-
  From:   Jon Elson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent:   Monday, August 13, 2001 5:43 PM
  To: Protel EDA Forum
  Subject: Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
 
 
 
  Robison Michael R CNIN wrote:
 
   it isn't broke on my system...  ivan just can't open it on his
   machine.  like i said, since i can't send him an actual powsup.pcb,
   i sent him the whole darned ddb.  maybe thats not the way to move
   a job from one pc to another, but thats the method i tried, anyway.
 
  Well, why CAN'T you mail him the PCB?  You CAN export it from the DDB,
 and
  you'll get a PCB file.  He will get asked to specify a DDB on his
 system.
 
   bottom line:  the ddb works fine on my machine.  i email it to
   him and get the access violation error.  maybe all the information
   was not contained in the ddb.
 
  I'm guessing libraries, but not sure.
 
  Jon
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-14 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN

thanks colby,

i just called ivan and asked if he had tried the zipped ddb that i sent him.
the file was also not opened in protel when i zipped it. protel wasn't even
open.  ivan's gonna give it a shot immediately.

but one thing you mentioned definitely threw up a flag.  i have never
installed any of the service packs.  while ivan is trying the zipped ddb i
sent him, i'll go to the protel site and see if i can find the service pack.

and i'll go to the microsoft site and get the latest mdac, whatever that is.
is it a new windows DLL?

thanks again, miker

 -Original Message-
 From: Colby - PowerStream [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 10:59 AM
 To:   Protel EDA Forum
 Subject:  Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
 
 After reading(skimming) through the other replies there were a few things
 I
 didn't see mentioned.
 
 1. Make sure you are both upgraded to the latest Service Pack for Protel
 SP6.
 2. Make sure the Design did not somehow become read-only in the
 transfer(this should only show an error if he was not upgraded to the
 latest
 service pack... but previous SP's would cause an error if the file is
 read-only)
 3. Make sure you are both upgraded to the MDAC 2.5(2.6 is out... but I
 *still* haven't gotten around to testing it out with Protel)
 http://www.microsoft.com/data/download.htm
 
 And of course... to repeat... definitely make sure all files are closed
 before sending it.
 
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** Custom Power Supplies
 PowerStream Technology   ** Custom UPS
 140 S. Mountainway Drive  ** Custom DC/DC Converters
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 - Original Message -
 From: Robison Michael R CNIN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 3:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
 
 
  it isn't broke on my system...  ivan just can't open it on his
  machine.  like i said, since i can't send him an actual powsup.pcb,
  i sent him the whole darned ddb.  maybe thats not the way to move
  a job from one pc to another, but thats the method i tried, anyway.
 
  bottom line:  the ddb works fine on my machine.  i email it to
  him and get the access violation error.  maybe all the information
  was not contained in the ddb.
 
  thanks, miker
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Ted Tontis [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 3:11 PM
   To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
   Subject: Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
  
   have you tried to repair the data base?
  
   Ted
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Robison Michael R CNIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 2:54 PM
   To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
   Subject: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
  
  
   hi everybody,
  
   well, i'm not having a banner day here.  somebody else here needs
   to look at a pcb of mine in protel.  since i'm using ddb's (it was
 either
   ddb's or not be able to read the footprints libraries) of course,
 there
   is no actual powsup.pcb.  so i emailed him a 20MB ddb.
  
   we're still hosed...  he tries to open it using the protel browse and
   gets an access violation at address xxx in client 99SE.exe.
  
   what do i need to do so he can use the file?
  
   thank you, miker
 

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Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-14 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN

to rob and brad,

thanks for the information on exporting the pcb as a dwg.  to be truthful,
its about time that i give that a shot.  the job is something of a priority 
and i really can't justify holding it up while i play with ddb
transportability,
especially when there's a better file to use in making the heatsink anyway.

i'll try that right now.

thanks, miker  

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 11:20 AM
 To:   Protel EDA Forum
 Subject:  Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
 
 
 
 This is from Protel not exported from CamTastic.
 
 Go into the PCB itself and then select File Export. Next select
 filename.DWG and type Autocad then press SAVE. You now get a dialog box
 asking what you want in the DWG.
 
 I find that the DWG file takes a lot less space than a DXF. This will
 include everything in the PCB so he will have all the info he needs.
 
 I generally use the Windows File system for storing instead of the Access
 Database method since then I can get to each file separately.
 
 And as others have pointed out each file in the project can be exported
 and
 sent to someone.
 
 Rob
 
 
 
 
 
 Robison Michael R CNIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/14/2001 11:52:13
 AM
 
 Please respond to Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 To:   'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 cc:(bcc: Rob LaMoreaux/DSPT)
 Subject:  Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
 
 
 
 
 hi rob,
 
 what exactly do you export to a dwg?  that would be the gerbers, right?
 he's needing measurements to the centers of all the pads so he can
 work the heatsink plate around them.  and they're using solid edge for
 a cad package, although i assume it imports dwg's alright.  is there any
 particular gerber that i want to export for him?  i've done just a tiny
 amount
 of work with camtastic, changing a silkscreen on a pcb to reflect our cage
 number.  beyond that, i'm not very good with gerbers.  i know that i have
 been told that i should review the gerbers before shipping them off, but
 that
 is of little value when i wouldn't even know what i was looking for.
 
 my response this morning to the problem was twofold:  i made sure
 the ddb was not open, and i zipped it before i sent it to him.  although
 your posts have pushed me towards giving them one of the gerbers
 exported as a dwg (i think), ulterior motives (mine) wanna see that darned
 ddb opened on another machine.
 
 i do not do system backups.  i back up specific work directories to a
 network drive.  if these files won't open on another machine, then my
 whole backup procedure is questionable.  i figure i've got well over $100K
 worth of protel work backed up.  i'm a civilian employee for the navy, and
 they are a pretty easy bunch to work for.  but if my system hard-crashed
 and i couldn't reload all those protel board files from backup, i think
 they
 might get a bit upset.  ;-)
 
 thanks, miker
 
  -Original Message-
  From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent:   Tuesday, August 14, 2001 10:15 AM
  To: Protel EDA Forum
  Subject: Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
 
 
 
  It was determined a while back that closing a DDB with a print preview
  open
  caused problems when the ddb was opened and the printer the preview was
  using was no longer available. If you left the print preview open and he
  has a diffferent printer this could be causing the problem.
 
  Of course for mechanical people I just export an AutoCad 13 or 14 DWG.
  They seem to like that better than the PCB itself.
 
  Rob
 
 
 
 
 
  Robison Michael R CNIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/13/2001
 06:57:19
  PM
 
  Please respond to Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  To:   'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  cc:(bcc: Rob LaMoreaux/DSPT)
  Subject:  Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
 
 
 
 
  libraries was what i was thinking too, and it still could be that.  to
  be honest, i'm a configuration pig.  i've got several jobs in this ddb,
  and i'm almost positive that some of the jobs call libraries from
  another ddb.  but the job i wanted him to see used no libraries.  i
  just brute-force plunked down pads and traces and slapped some
  silkscreen notations on it. no footprints at all.
 
  but its the entire ddb that won't open, not the specific job, so maybe
  the libraries are a problem.  that could be messy to fix.  i'll look
 into
  it.
 
  thanks, miker
 
   -Original Message-
   From:   Jon Elson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent:   Monday, August 13, 2001 5:43 PM
   To: Protel EDA Forum
   Subject: Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
  
  
  
   Robison Michael R CNIN wrote:
  
it isn't broke on my system...  ivan just can't open it on his
machine.  like i said, since i can't send him an actual powsup.pcb,
i sent him the whole darned ddb.  maybe thats not the way to move
a job from one pc to another, but thats the method i tried, anyway.
  
   Well, why CAN'T you mail him

Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-14 Thread Jon Elson



Robison Michael R CNIN wrote:

 hi chris,

 ivan is a mechanical engineer who is gonna do a heat sink for the
 board.  i built this pcb from crude old hardcopy drawings and an
 stripped board.  he was wanting to open it in protel so that he could
 mouseover the layout and get dimensions.

For this purpose, why don't you send him a DXF file?  That would
almost certainly be more useful to him, as he could import it straight
into a CAD package.

Jon

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Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-14 Thread Jon Elson



Robison Michael R CNIN wrote:

 thanks brad,

 i sent it over the intranet and i believe they've got that running at
 100MB, so no, i didn't zip the file.

Zip not only compresses files, it also makes sure that the file is undamaged
when it uncompresses it.  Some systems will alter binary files when passed
through mail systems.  When the mail system sees a file type it recognizes
as binary (.pdf, .zip, .jpg, etc) it then knows to preserve 8-bit characters
and non-printable characters, not fold long lines, etc.  So, there are other
reasons to use zip.

Jon

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Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-14 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN

well, at the time i wasn't aware that i could convert anything other
than gerbers into dxf/dwg, and in that case i wasn't sure which one
he would need, and whether he could do anything with it once he
got it. 

but yes!  i finished exporting it from the pcb file, as per instructions
from rob and brad, about an hour ago and i sent it to him and i haven't
got any complaints back yet.

thanks, miker

 -Original Message-
 From: Jon Elson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:30 PM
 To:   Protel EDA Forum
 Subject:  Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
 
 
 
 Robison Michael R CNIN wrote:
 
  hi chris,
 
  ivan is a mechanical engineer who is gonna do a heat sink for the
  board.  i built this pcb from crude old hardcopy drawings and an
  stripped board.  he was wanting to open it in protel so that he could
  mouseover the layout and get dimensions.
 
 For this purpose, why don't you send him a DXF file?  That would
 almost certainly be more useful to him, as he could import it straight
 into a CAD package.
 
 Jon

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Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-14 Thread Jon Elson



Robison Michael R CNIN wrote:

 thanks colby,

 i just called ivan and asked if he had tried the zipped ddb that i sent him.
 the file was also not opened in protel when i zipped it. protel wasn't even
 open.  ivan's gonna give it a shot immediately.

 but one thing you mentioned definitely threw up a flag.  i have never
 installed any of the service packs.  while ivan is trying the zipped ddb i
 sent him, i'll go to the protel site and see if i can find the service pack.

GASP!  How do you get any work done with it?  Maybe you already have
some of the service packs in the distribution, it depends on when you got
your CDs.

 and i'll go to the microsoft site and get the latest mdac, whatever that is.
 is it a new windows DLL?

Yes, I could barely get mine to work until I got updates for the Jet Database.
But, then, I had a very old Win 95 system.

Jon

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Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-14 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN

just finished installing SP6.  thank goodness the net was not bottlenecked
today...  the darn thing is 12MB!  have yet to get the new file from
microsoft, 
although i would bet that with NT4 sp6, i probably already have it.

thanks, miker

 -Original Message-
 From: Jon Elson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:53 PM
 To:   Protel EDA Forum
 Subject:  Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
 
 
 
 Robison Michael R CNIN wrote:
 
  thanks colby,
 
  i just called ivan and asked if he had tried the zipped ddb that i sent
 him.
  the file was also not opened in protel when i zipped it. protel wasn't
 even
  open.  ivan's gonna give it a shot immediately.
 
  but one thing you mentioned definitely threw up a flag.  i have never
  installed any of the service packs.  while ivan is trying the zipped ddb
 i
  sent him, i'll go to the protel site and see if i can find the service
 pack.
 
 GASP!  How do you get any work done with it?  Maybe you already have
 some of the service packs in the distribution, it depends on when you got
 your CDs.
 
  and i'll go to the microsoft site and get the latest mdac, whatever that
 is.
  is it a new windows DLL?
 
 Yes, I could barely get mine to work until I got updates for the Jet
 Database.
 But, then, I had a very old Win 95 system.
 
 Jon

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Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-14 Thread Brad Velander

Specifically that FAQ should also mention that the Protel ddb Access
database doesn't get along well with standard email, possibly due to mime
encoding.

Brad Velander,
Lead PCB Designer,
Norsat International Inc.,
#300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr.,
Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9.
Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct
Fax (604) 292-9010
website www.norsat.com


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 From: Andrew J Jenkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 1:07 PM
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 Subject: Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
 
SNIP
 
 This one really ought to make it into the FAQ, under the query:
 
 What is the smartest way to transfer files thru the internet?
 
 or How should I send files using the internet?
 
 regards,
 
 aj
 

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Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-14 Thread Colby - PowerStream

I am pretty sure SP6 for NT doesn't update what you will get from this 2.5
MDAC install I am almost positive... but I don't have an NT system to
check anymore :(

I would download and install it anyway.

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   ** Custom Power Supplies
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 just finished installing SP6.  thank goodness the net was not bottlenecked
 today...  the darn thing is 12MB!  have yet to get the new file from
 microsoft,
 although i would bet that with NT4 sp6, i probably already have it.

 thanks, miker

  -Original Message-
  From: Jon Elson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:53 PM
  To: Protel EDA Forum
  Subject: Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
 
 
 
  Robison Michael R CNIN wrote:
 
   thanks colby,
  
   i just called ivan and asked if he had tried the zipped ddb that i
sent
  him.
   the file was also not opened in protel when i zipped it. protel wasn't
  even
   open.  ivan's gonna give it a shot immediately.
  
   but one thing you mentioned definitely threw up a flag.  i have never
   installed any of the service packs.  while ivan is trying the zipped
ddb
  i
   sent him, i'll go to the protel site and see if i can find the service
  pack.
 
  GASP!  How do you get any work done with it?  Maybe you already have
  some of the service packs in the distribution, it depends on when you
got
  your CDs.
 
   and i'll go to the microsoft site and get the latest mdac, whatever
that
  is.
   is it a new windows DLL?
 
  Yes, I could barely get mine to work until I got updates for the Jet
  Database.
  But, then, I had a very old Win 95 system.
 
  Jon


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Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-14 Thread Jon Elson



Brad Velander wrote:

 Specifically that FAQ should also mention that the Protel ddb Access
 database doesn't get along well with standard email, possibly due to mime
 encoding.

I think the problem is that it DIDN'T get MIME-encoded, as MIME doesn't have
a known file type for a DDB or PCB, etc. file.  You could probably add a new
file type description for DDB, listing it as a binary file type, and the
recipient
would get it as an unknown-binary, MIME-encoded, and at least be able
to correctly reconstruct it at the other end.

Jon


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Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-14 Thread Clive . Broome



And if zipping also fails to send the database without causing it to be
corrupted, then
the last resort is to FTP the file in binary mode.

This is the way our company sends databases as the email servers  between here
and the USA manage to mangle zip files and make them unloadable. The clue is the
database cannot load.


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Jon Elson [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/15/2001 05:31:53 AM

Please respond to Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Subject:  Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??





Robison Michael R CNIN wrote:

 thanks brad,

 i sent it over the intranet and i believe they've got that running at
 100MB, so no, i didn't zip the file.

Zip not only compresses files, it also makes sure that the file is undamaged
when it uncompresses it.  Some systems will alter binary files when passed
through mail systems.  When the mail system sees a file type it recognizes
as binary (.pdf, .zip, .jpg, etc) it then knows to preserve 8-bit characters
and non-printable characters, not fold long lines, etc.  So, there are other
reasons to use zip.

Jon






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Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-13 Thread Ted Tontis

have you tried to repair the data base?

Ted

-Original Message-
From: Robison Michael R CNIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 2:54 PM
To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
Subject: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??


hi everybody,

well, i'm not having a banner day here.  somebody else here needs
to look at a pcb of mine in protel.  since i'm using ddb's (it was either
ddb's or not be able to read the footprints libraries) of course, there
is no actual powsup.pcb.  so i emailed him a 20MB ddb.

we're still hosed...  he tries to open it using the protel browse and 
gets an access violation at address xxx in client 99SE.exe.

what do i need to do so he can use the file?

thank you, miker

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Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-13 Thread Chris Knudsen


If he just needs to view it, send him the pcb only (right-click, export).

Or send him a set of gerbers.

Of course this would be a work-around.  You SHOULD be able to just copy the ddb over 
to him.  The error you see seems a little unnerving.

Are there any links to external files on your computer (like a company logo or a 
graphic perhaps), in the ddb?

Regards,

-Chris

-Original Message-
From:   Robison Michael R CNIN [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Monday, August 13, 2001 5:15 PM
To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
Subject:Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

it isn't broke on my system...  ivan just can't open it on his 
machine.  like i said, since i can't send him an actual powsup.pcb,
i sent him the whole darned ddb.  maybe thats not the way to move
a job from one pc to another, but thats the method i tried, anyway.  

bottom line:  the ddb works fine on my machine.  i email it to 
him and get the access violation error.  maybe all the information
was not contained in the ddb.  

thanks, miker

 -Original Message-
 From: Ted Tontis [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 3:11 PM
 To:   'Protel EDA Forum'
 Subject:  Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
 
 have you tried to repair the data base?
 
 Ted
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Robison Michael R CNIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 2:54 PM
 To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
 Subject: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
 
 
 hi everybody,
 
 well, i'm not having a banner day here.  somebody else here needs
 to look at a pcb of mine in protel.  since i'm using ddb's (it was either
 ddb's or not be able to read the footprints libraries) of course, there
 is no actual powsup.pcb.  so i emailed him a 20MB ddb.
 
 we're still hosed...  he tries to open it using the protel browse and 
 gets an access violation at address xxx in client 99SE.exe.
 
 what do i need to do so he can use the file?
 
 thank you, miker

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Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-13 Thread Jon Elson



Robison Michael R CNIN wrote:

 hi everybody,

 well, i'm not having a banner day here.  somebody else here needs
 to look at a pcb of mine in protel.  since i'm using ddb's (it was either
 ddb's or not be able to read the footprints libraries) of course, there
 is no actual powsup.pcb.  so i emailed him a 20MB ddb.

 we're still hosed...  he tries to open it using the protel browse and
 gets an access violation at address xxx in client 99SE.exe.

 what do i need to do so he can use the file?

make sure all files in the DDB are closed.  Remove any unneeded files.
Maybe make a copy of the entire DDB and open it yourself to make sure
it is consistant, etc.

Jon

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Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-13 Thread Jon Elson



Robison Michael R CNIN wrote:

 it isn't broke on my system...  ivan just can't open it on his
 machine.  like i said, since i can't send him an actual powsup.pcb,
 i sent him the whole darned ddb.  maybe thats not the way to move
 a job from one pc to another, but thats the method i tried, anyway.

Well, why CAN'T you mail him the PCB?  You CAN export it from the DDB, and
you'll get a PCB file.  He will get asked to specify a DDB on his system.

 bottom line:  the ddb works fine on my machine.  i email it to
 him and get the access violation error.  maybe all the information
 was not contained in the ddb.

I'm guessing libraries, but not sure.

Jon

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Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-13 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN

hi chris,

ivan is a mechanical engineer who is gonna do a heat sink for the
board.  i built this pcb from crude old hardcopy drawings and an
stripped board.  he was wanting to open it in protel so that he could
mouseover the layout and get dimensions.

there are no external files that i know of.  the board was so basic
that i didn't even establish a footprint library... i just put pads where
i needed them.

are any of the files path sensitive?  i.e. does ivan need to establish
the exact same directory path that i've got?  surely not.  that would
be a nightmare.

thanks, miker  

 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Knudsen [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 4:46 PM
 To:   'Protel EDA Forum'
 Subject:  Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
 
 
 If he just needs to view it, send him the pcb only (right-click, export).
 
 Or send him a set of gerbers.
 
 Of course this would be a work-around.  You SHOULD be able to just copy
 the ddb over to him.  The error you see seems a little unnerving.
 
 Are there any links to external files on your computer (like a company
 logo or a graphic perhaps), in the ddb?
 
 Regards,
 
 -Chris
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Robison Michael R CNIN [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 5:15 PM
 To:   'Protel EDA Forum'
 Subject:  Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
 
 it isn't broke on my system...  ivan just can't open it on his 
 machine.  like i said, since i can't send him an actual powsup.pcb,
 i sent him the whole darned ddb.  maybe thats not the way to move
 a job from one pc to another, but thats the method i tried, anyway.  
 
 bottom line:  the ddb works fine on my machine.  i email it to 
 him and get the access violation error.  maybe all the information
 was not contained in the ddb.  
 
 thanks, miker
 
  -Original Message-
  From:   Ted Tontis [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent:   Monday, August 13, 2001 3:11 PM
  To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
  Subject:Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
  
  have you tried to repair the data base?
  
  Ted
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Robison Michael R CNIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 2:54 PM
  To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
  Subject: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
  
  
  hi everybody,
  
  well, i'm not having a banner day here.  somebody else here needs
  to look at a pcb of mine in protel.  since i'm using ddb's (it was
 either
  ddb's or not be able to read the footprints libraries) of course, there
  is no actual powsup.pcb.  so i emailed him a 20MB ddb.
  
  we're still hosed...  he tries to open it using the protel browse and 
  gets an access violation at address xxx in client 99SE.exe.
  
  what do i need to do so he can use the file?
  
  thank you, miker

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Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-13 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN

thanks brad,

i sent it over the intranet and i believe they've got that running at
100MB, so no, i didn't zip the file.

and i guess i should also have stated that this is exactly the same
version of protel that i am using... in fact its coming off the same 
cd that i used.  (don't be thinking naughty thoughts!  one cd, two 
licenses ;-).

thanks, miker

 -Original Message-
 From: Brad Velander [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 5:06 PM
 To:   'Protel EDA Forum'
 Subject:  Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
 
 Mike,
   I have seen this, or something similar, once before when I
 transferred a file to Ian. Did you zip the file before transferring? This
 was the root of my problem, zipped it up and then emailed it and
 everything
 was fine. Sorry I didn't pipe up sooner, I was reading the thread but
 didn't
 realize you were using email so I didn't think it could be what I had seen
 before.
 
 Brad Velander,
 Lead PCB Designer,
 Norsat International Inc.,
 #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr.,
 Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9.
 Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct
 Fax (604) 292-9010
 website www.norsat.com
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Robison Michael R CNIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 2:15 PM
  To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
  Subject: Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
  
  
  it isn't broke on my system...  ivan just can't open it on his 
  machine.  like i said, since i can't send him an actual powsup.pcb,
  i sent him the whole darned ddb.  maybe thats not the way to move
  a job from one pc to another, but thats the method i tried, anyway.  
  
  bottom line:  the ddb works fine on my machine.  i email it to 
  him and get the access violation error.  maybe all the information
  was not contained in the ddb.  
  
  thanks, miker
  

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Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-13 Thread Clive . Broome



The problem could be the email system not transferring the *.ddb file correctly,
specially
if it goes through different servers in the system. The file type is probably
unknown.

Try zipping the ddb, if that doesnt work, zip and FTP it.



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Robison Michael R CNIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/14/2001 05:53:38 AM

Please respond to Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Subject:  [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??



hi everybody,

well, i'm not having a banner day here.  somebody else here needs
to look at a pcb of mine in protel.  since i'm using ddb's (it was either
ddb's or not be able to read the footprints libraries) of course, there
is no actual powsup.pcb.  so i emailed him a 20MB ddb.

we're still hosed...  he tries to open it using the protel browse and
gets an access violation at address xxx in client 99SE.exe.

what do i need to do so he can use the file?

thank you, miker







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Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-13 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN

uh oh!  i'm thinking they weren't all closed.  i sent the ddb to ivan
while i had the thing open in protel.

i'll try that!

thanks, miker

 -Original Message-
 From: Jon Elson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 5:20 PM
 To:   Protel EDA Forum
 Subject:  Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
 
 
 
 Robison Michael R CNIN wrote:
 
  hi everybody,
 
  well, i'm not having a banner day here.  somebody else here needs
  to look at a pcb of mine in protel.  since i'm using ddb's (it was
 either
  ddb's or not be able to read the footprints libraries) of course, there
  is no actual powsup.pcb.  so i emailed him a 20MB ddb.
 
  we're still hosed...  he tries to open it using the protel browse and
  gets an access violation at address xxx in client 99SE.exe.
 
  what do i need to do so he can use the file?
 
 make sure all files in the DDB are closed.  Remove any unneeded files.
 Maybe make a copy of the entire DDB and open it yourself to make sure
 it is consistant, etc.
 
 Jon

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Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-13 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN

libraries was what i was thinking too, and it still could be that.  to
be honest, i'm a configuration pig.  i've got several jobs in this ddb,
and i'm almost positive that some of the jobs call libraries from
another ddb.  but the job i wanted him to see used no libraries.  i
just brute-force plunked down pads and traces and slapped some
silkscreen notations on it. no footprints at all.

but its the entire ddb that won't open, not the specific job, so maybe
the libraries are a problem.  that could be messy to fix.  i'll look into
it.

thanks, miker

 -Original Message-
 From: Jon Elson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 5:43 PM
 To:   Protel EDA Forum
 Subject:  Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
 
 
 
 Robison Michael R CNIN wrote:
 
  it isn't broke on my system...  ivan just can't open it on his
  machine.  like i said, since i can't send him an actual powsup.pcb,
  i sent him the whole darned ddb.  maybe thats not the way to move
  a job from one pc to another, but thats the method i tried, anyway.
 
 Well, why CAN'T you mail him the PCB?  You CAN export it from the DDB, and
 you'll get a PCB file.  He will get asked to specify a DDB on his system.
 
  bottom line:  the ddb works fine on my machine.  i email it to
  him and get the access violation error.  maybe all the information
  was not contained in the ddb.
 
 I'm guessing libraries, but not sure.
 
 Jon

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Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

2001-08-13 Thread Brad Velander

Mike,
as more of the story comes out here I have a new suggestion. Since
Ivan is a mechanical guy, why not just export the PCB to ACAD DWG or DXF
format, export it and email it to him. He can open it in ACAD and make much
faster and more precise measurements. This is what I do to transfer PCB
information to our mechanical designers, even for myself I prefer checking
critical dimensions in ACAD anyday.
But if you are sending DDBs by email zip them up, seems possibly the
mime formatting does something or other to them otherwise by my experiences.
When I sent a file to Ian first one failed similar to your failure, send one
that was zipped was just fine (much smaller too).

Brad Velander,
Lead PCB Designer,
Norsat International Inc.,
#300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr.,
Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9.
Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct
Fax (604) 292-9010
website www.norsat.com


 -Original Message-
 From: Robison Michael R CNIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 3:48 PM
 To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
 Subject: Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
 
 
 thanks brad,
 
 i sent it over the intranet and i believe they've got that running at
 100MB, so no, i didn't zip the file.
 
 and i guess i should also have stated that this is exactly the same
 version of protel that i am using... in fact its coming off the same 
 cd that i used.  (don't be thinking naughty thoughts!  one cd, two 
 licenses ;-).
 
 thanks, miker

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