Re: [PEDA] keepoutlayer and planes ??

2001-11-09 Thread Stephen Casey
Has anyone reading this received fabricated boards with no inner plane clearance? Was it from an established fabricator? (I'd be surprised if it *never* happened, but I would also be surprised if it was at all common.) Abd, Yes, I have received boards with no clearance. My mistake on my

[PEDA] Multi-Layer (Ex: minor display refresh bug)

2001-11-09 Thread Ian Wilson
On 10:25 PM 8/11/2001 -0500, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said: ..snip.. Abd ul-Rahman Lomax has also recently mentioned that blind and buried vias are sometimes inappropriately displayed. Actually, they are *always* inappropriately displayed. Either you have multilayer turned off, in which case no vias

Re: [PEDA] keepoutlayer and planes ??

2001-11-09 Thread Ian Wilson
On 10:37 AM 9/11/2001 +, Stephen Casey said: Has anyone reading this received fabricated boards with no inner plane clearance? Was it from an established fabricator? (I'd be surprised if it *never* happened, but I would also be surprised if it was at all common.) Abd, Yes, I have

[PEDA] Chip Wire

2001-11-09 Thread Sean James

[PEDA] Polygon problems!

2001-11-09 Thread Coleman, Tim
Hi folks I have a problem with polygons! I can't select the propertise to change them. I can't adjust the vertices, I can't delet them, I can't move them. It's as though they weren't there. I can see them but I can't touch them! I've never had this problem before. What do I have to do to regain

Re: [PEDA] keepoutlayer and planes ??

2001-11-09 Thread Bob Fearon
Abdul-Rahman Yes I have seen an inner plane layer come all the way out to an edge. The design was supposed to be better for RF, but made no difference in board performance. The two outside layers were plated aound the edge and shorted ( on purpose ) to the inner layer. This was a

Re: [PEDA] Polygon problems!

2001-11-09 Thread Brad Velander
Tim, I have experienced similar difficulties from time to time, typically I can click around a little bit and finally get the vertices to highlight using the Move Polygon vertices command. Remember that the vertices may actually be in an area where there is no polygon pour because it was

Re: [PEDA] Chip Wire

2001-11-09 Thread Bob Fearon
Sean I have used Protel for Chip and Wire, but it was Ver 2.8. If you can use that out date info, contact me off-forum. Bob Fearon Sean James wrote: Has anybody attempted to do chip wire (hybrid layouts) with Protel? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove

Re: [PEDA] Polygon problems!

2001-11-09 Thread Jim McGrath
Tim, Just as a precaution I create my polygons with a trackwidth other than any already used on the board. If they lose their inteligence for some reason I can always select the culprits for easy identification/deletion and rebuild. Its a holdover from earlier versions of Protel that I have

Re: [PEDA] ATS Specifications

2001-11-09 Thread Frank Gilley
Brad isn't the only one to return from vacation to hear this most disappointing news. I'm a little shocked...from what I can tell, we are basically going to have to pay for our technical support and service packs from now on. A whopping $2K a year. Apparantly with penalty if you don't

Re: [PEDA] Chip Wire

2001-11-09 Thread Michael Reagan
Sean, I have designed both MCMs and Hybrids with both Protel and PCAD. You can give me a call Monday 301 620 0080 and maybe I can guide you thru. I am not in my office today. Mike Reagan EDSI Frederick Md -Original Message- From: Bob Fearon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:

[PEDA] Pricing

2001-11-09 Thread Sean James

Re: [PEDA] Chip Wire

2001-11-09 Thread Sean James
Any help or information would be greatly appreciated. My only other option is to by a 3rd party add-on for AutoCAD (I used to do chip wire in ACAD without any intelligence; not easy and a big PITA). Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL)

Re: [PEDA] keepoutlayer and planes ??

2001-11-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:44 AM 11/9/01 -0700, Bob Fearon wrote: Abdul-Rahman Yes I have seen an inner plane layer come all the way out to an edge. The design was supposed to be better for RF, but made no difference in board performance. The two outside layers were plated aound the edge and

Re: [PEDA] keepoutlayer and planes ??

2001-11-09 Thread Brad Velander
My 2 cents worth, since we do this regularily. The edge plating will make a significant difference in board emmisions with GHz frequency signals depending on the board material used. It gets worse the higher your frequencies go. The problem is that the board material is a dielectric and

Re: [PEDA] Pricing

2001-11-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:48 PM 11/9/01 -0500, Sean James wrote: Well everybody, Accel/PCAD did the same exact thing by changing their pricing. Who owns Accel/PCAD and Protel? Yes, Altium, nee Protel, owns both. BUT the Accel pricing boost was while Accel Technologies was independent. It was my impression that

Re: [PEDA] Chip Wire

2001-11-09 Thread Watnoski, Michael

Re: [PEDA] keepoutlayer and planes ??

2001-11-09 Thread Frank Gilley
My experience with planes-to-the-edge has been this... to date, no one has ever sent me a board that has both power and ground all the way out to the edge whether I pulled the planes back in the gerbers or not. It appears to be pretty much SOP. However, I have received almost all the boards that

Re: [PEDA] Pricing

2001-11-09 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
What a huge mass of confusion this ATS nonsense has caused. I now know nothing about the future of Protel or its products, whereas before all this I *thought* I knew there was a PCB software provider that provided free services packs and tech support, and I could choose whether or not and when

Re: [PEDA] Pricing

2001-11-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:36 PM 11/9/01 -0500, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: What a huge mass of confusion this ATS nonsense has caused. Yes, the announcement was *very* badly done. The Press Release was directly contradicted by USA Protel sales. I'd suggest that Altium *communicate* -- this means back and forth

Re: [PEDA] Pricing

2001-11-09 Thread rlamoreaux
and to add another question to the confusion What happens if you have two Protel Licenses and buy 1 ATS? It might be affordable then. Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: *

Re: [PEDA] Pricing

2001-11-09 Thread Brad Velander
Rob, try my quandry, 5 licenses and a bunch of rogue engineers who care not about licenses, support or anything else as long as they can get a design out the door. If they can't get the design out the door then they all want to instantly buy some other program that minute. Sincerely,

Re: [PEDA] Pricing

2001-11-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:39 PM 11/9/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and to add another question to the confusion What happens if you have two Protel Licenses and buy 1 ATS? It might be affordable then. It might be illegal then Sure, you'd get the CD for the upgrade, but if you really want to save

Re: [PEDA] Pricing

2001-11-09 Thread Ian Wilson
On 04:29 PM 9/11/2001 -0500, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said: ..PCAD stuff snipped.. Now, to ATS for Protel. Today, you can buy from Accel Technologies (the U.S. Protel rep, we've gone full circle) the upgrade from Protel 98 to Protel 99SE for $1995. Essentially, a Protel 98 user can buy ATS for that

Re: [PEDA] Polygon problems!

2001-11-09 Thread Ian Wilson
On 04:34 PM 9/11/2001 +, Coleman, Tim said: Hi folks I have a problem with polygons! I can't select the propertise to change them. I can't adjust the vertices, I can't delet them, I can't move them. It's as though they weren't there. I can see them but I can't touch them! I've never had this

[PEDA] Possible enhancement for polygon display!

2001-11-09 Thread Brian Guralnick
I was thinking, I was thinking of a possible means of accelerating design work with multiple polygons all over the place. During design, as an option, what if Protel just generated quick dirty raster type polygon planes with regard to the area where you are working on the PCB? Moving

[PEDA] Old patch files

2001-11-09 Thread intellasys