[PEDA] IPL netlist to Protel

2002-04-18 Thread Peder K. Hellegaard

Re: [PEDA] FW: Access violation -- Is it a Protel bug?

2002-04-18 Thread Buckley.Dave
I have tried to reproduce this behaviour by creating a schematic symbol which is associated with footprint BLANK. No ERC errors in the schematic. Generating a PCB using PCB WIZARD and using UPDATE PCB does not cause a problem. The updated PCB displays two of 6 components (not including the BLANK)

[PEDA] Mentor Graphics vs Protel

2002-04-18 Thread Mike Reagan
Hello All, I was invited to attend a workshop with Mentor Graphics Expedition series. This is a PC based, schematic capture and pcb layout. Needless to say quite impressive and even more impressive was the price. The full set of Sch and pcb tool with the features you need to make it work was

Re: [PEDA] FW: Access violation -- Is it a Protel bug?

2002-04-18 Thread Ian Wilson
Thanks Dave, One more thing, can you try creating a netlist and then try loading that into a PCB using the Netlist Manager | Netlist Load command (as opposed to using the Update PCB synchroniser). Does it crash? This would then confirm Shuping's bug and the proposed bug database entry.

Re: [PEDA] FW: Access violation -- Is it a Protel bug?

2002-04-18 Thread Buckley.Dave
Ian, Creating netlist and Load Nets produces the same behaviour with no crashes. Perhaps having a small number of components makes the difference or maybe it's the size of the BLANK footprint. The system I run on is WIN NT4 P99SE sp6. Dave Buckley -Original Message- From: Ian Wilson

Re: [PEDA] Mentor Graphics vs Protel

2002-04-18 Thread jamgramet
There's a reason for the difference in price between the shrinkwrap tools and high-end such as Mentor, Cadence Zuken. At the end of the day, it boils down to investment in RD. Being generous, let's say a profitable company can afford to invest 20% of revenue in RD. A company like Protel can

[PEDA] net connections for a fill ?

2002-04-18 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i'm having a bit of trouble with how fills connect to thru-holes. first, the book says, a fill will adopt a net name if the first corner is placed on an object which has a net name. well i'm starting a fill right on thru-hole CR31_1, and then when i drag out a fill and then double-click

Re: [PEDA] net connections for a fill ?

2002-04-18 Thread Buckley.Dave
miker, I think you might want to try placing a polygon plane instead of a fill. Polygon planes provide thermal relief and don't connect to other nets. Cheers, Dave Buckley -Original Message- From: Robison Michael R CNIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 April 2002 14:40 To: 'Protel

[PEDA] dual monitors

2002-04-18 Thread Graham
At a recent Protel 99SE training session by Altium, I heard mention of the use of dual monitors in a single instance of Protel. Does anyone know how this is set up? It would be great to view two full-screen documents simultaneously. Thanks. Graham. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Re: [PEDA] Mentor Graphics vs Protel

2002-04-18 Thread Michael Reagan
Dont get me wrong, I am very pleased with Protel's current line of products. 99SE with SP6 is unparalleled for the cost. My requirements are ( rather my customer's requirements) are exceeding capabilities found in the program. I am currently using Spectra with Protel. I would like to think that

[PEDA] changing electrical type

2002-04-18 Thread ttontis
Is there anyway I can change the electrical type of a pin to one that is not listed in the drop down menu? I would like to put an open drain on one of the pins. Thank you, Ted Tontis C.I.D. Engage Networks, Inc. 1320 N. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Drive River Level Milwaukee, WI 53212 PH

Re: [PEDA] net connections for a fill ?

2002-04-18 Thread Buckley.Dave
-Original Message- From: Robison Michael R CNIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 April 2002 15:41 To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] net connections for a fill ? miker, I think you might want to try placing a polygon plane instead of a fill. Polygon planes provide thermal

Re: [PEDA] Tango to Protel Translator

2002-04-18 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 05:33 PM 4/17/2002 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: BUT, this applies ONLY to PCB, not schematic. ... I still don't know of a way to do it Tango Schematic can be read by Accel PCAD schematic (since that is the descendant program) and PCAD schematic is convertible to Protel Schematic through the

Re: [PEDA] dual monitors

2002-04-18 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 07:36 AM 4/18/2002 -0700, Graham wrote: At a recent Protel 99SE training session by Altium, I heard mention of the use of dual monitors in a single instance of Protel. Does anyone know how this is set up? It would be great to view two full-screen documents simultaneously. Thanks. Windows

Re: [PEDA] net connections for a fill ?

2002-04-18 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 09:41 AM 4/18/2002 -0500, Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: thanks for responding. but i'm not exactly sure about what you mean when you say polygon planes don't connect to other nets. is the fill connecting to every thru- hole within its boundaries? Yes. A fill is a bit misnamed. It is

Re: [PEDA] changing electrical type

2002-04-18 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 10:07 AM 4/18/2002 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there anyway I can change the electrical type of a pin to one that is not listed in the drop down menu? I would like to put an open drain on one of the pins. I rather doubt that there is a way. It would have to be in some kind of system

Re: [PEDA] changing electrical type

2002-04-18 Thread Richard Sumner
Open collector is essentially equivalent to open drain. Richard At 10:07 AM 4/18/2002 -0500, you wrote: Is there anyway I can change the electrical type of a pin to one that is not listed in the drop down menu? I would like to put an open drain on one of the pins. Thank you, Ted Tontis

Re: [PEDA] changing electrical type

2002-04-18 Thread Brad Velander
Richard, you beat me to the punch. For the intent and purpose of ERC checks, open Collector functions the same. I can't recall any CAD system I have used having open Drains as an option (maybe the high end Cadence or Mentor tools?), I have always used open Collectors in that circumstance.

Re: [PEDA] A designator global change question

2002-04-18 Thread Jon Elson
Jun Gong wrote: Hi, Anybody knows how to change C301, C302, C302,..., C3xx to C401, C402,...C4xx ? Yes, in most cases, you first want to select all the items to be changed. Double-click on one of the items, and then go to the global menu. In the far right field for the designator, there is

Re: [PEDA] dual monitors

2002-04-18 Thread Dennis Saputelli
we have 2 ea 21's and matrox G550 card can't get the center pop-up message dialogs to NOT straddle the screens what exactly did you do? i think i recall seeing the 'center' option but it appears to not work got the latest driver and all that which card do you have? BTW, the second output on my

Re: [PEDA] Mentor Graphics vs Protel

2002-04-18 Thread Cliff Gerhard, P.E.
Hello Everyone: I'll pass on an experience I had with Mentor (Veribest). At a previous job, I was managing the CAD dept for a company and we decided to step up to a high end system. I had the responsibility of choosing which CAD system the company would purchase. There were basically two main

Re: [PEDA] Mentor Graphics vs Protel

2002-04-18 Thread Jon Elson
Mike Reagan wrote: Hello All, I was invited to attend a workshop with Mentor Graphics Expedition series. This is a PC based, schematic capture and pcb layout. Needless to say quite impressive and even more impressive was the price. The full set of Sch and pcb tool with the features you

Re: [PEDA] A designator global change question

2002-04-18 Thread Jun Gong
Hi, Brenton, Thank you for the answer. It works. J.G. -Original Message- From: Brendon Slade [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 10:01 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] A designator global change question Hi J.G. What I do is: Double click on a

Re: [PEDA] A designator global change question

2002-04-18 Thread Jun Gong
Thank you Jon. I appreciate your help. J.G. -Original Message- From: Jon Elson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:58 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] A designator global change question Jun Gong wrote: Hi, Anybody knows how to change C301, C302,

Re: [PEDA] Tango to Protel Translator

2002-04-18 Thread Jon Elson
Abd ulRahman Lomax wrote: At 05:33 PM 4/17/2002 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: BUT, this applies ONLY to PCB, not schematic. ... I still don't know of a way to do it Tango Schematic can be read by Accel PCAD schematic (since that is the descendant program) and PCAD schematic is convertible to

Re: [PEDA] Mentor Graphics vs Protel

2002-04-18 Thread Michael Reagan
Jon Mentor Boardstation for Sun platforms are not the same as Expedition software I used yesterday. Also pricing is different. And yes you are correct the router is barely usable. Jim Vegh.I will call you Mike Reagan Amazing! The Mentor stuff I've seen is NOT very intuitive. We are

Re: [PEDA] dual monitors

2002-04-18 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 12:16 PM 4/18/2002 -0700, Dennis Saputelli wrote: we have 2 ea 21's and matrox G550 card can't get the center pop-up message dialogs to NOT straddle the screens what exactly did you do? Matrox QuickDesk / Multi-Display Controls / Use Center POPUP / In Parent Program Display. I also have

Re: [PEDA] Mentor Graphics vs Protel

2002-04-18 Thread John Williams
Jon Elson wrote: Amazing! The Mentor stuff I've seen is NOT very intuitive. We are using it on Sun workstations (also HP) for an IC design. This is not the same product. Be aware that Mentor had and still sells its own Unix based PCB design application called Board Architect. This is

[PEDA] deleting a mechanical layer ??

2002-04-18 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i've spent most of the day trying to massage a raster of some old pcb layers so that i can import it into protel to use as a guide for rerouting the traces close to their original paths. i got the rasters converted into pcb's by using the bmptopcb program with no problem. it was my

Re: [PEDA] deleting a mechanical layer ??

2002-04-18 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
sorry again! i got it: edit/select/all on layer this empties the layer and allows me to reuse it for another raster import, which is what i wanted to be able to do. thanks, miker * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * *

Re: [PEDA] deleting a mechanical layer ??

2002-04-18 Thread Brendon Slade
Mike, If I understand what you're trying to achieve, try this: Select the Mech layer you wish to delete by either clicking on the layer tab or cycling through the layers using the + or - key. As a precautionary measure use hot keys X, A to deselect all. Use the hot keys S, Y (for Select laYer)

Re: [PEDA] Mentor Graphics vs Protel

2002-04-18 Thread Jon Elson
John Williams wrote: Jon Elson wrote: Amazing! The Mentor stuff I've seen is NOT very intuitive. We are using it on Sun workstations (also HP) for an IC design. This is not the same product. Be aware that Mentor had and still sells its own Unix based PCB design application called

Re: [PEDA] dual monitors

2002-04-18 Thread Thomas
-Original Message- From: Abd ulRahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 19 April 2002 6:08 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] dual monitors At 12:16 PM 4/18/2002 -0700, Dennis Saputelli wrote: we have 2 ea 21's and matrox G550 card can't get the center

Re: [PEDA] dual monitors

2002-04-18 Thread Thomas
-Original Message- From: Abd ulRahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 19 April 2002 2:32 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] dual monitors If the Protel window is maximized, it spreads across both monitors; individual windows can then be sized so that

Re: [PEDA] dual monitors

2002-04-18 Thread Brian Guralnick
When you install the matrox drivers, you must select 'Install enhanced multimonitor support'. Once in windows, in your advanced display control settings, for multimonitor mode, you muse select different resolution # of colors foe each monitor. Now, you can still use the same

[PEDA] PCB to IC

2002-04-18 Thread Damon Kelly
A bit OT, I know, but I thought this forum would be a good one to ask... I have been designing analog circuits (for PCBs) for about 13 years now, so I class myself as middle career, with some skill. However, lately when I've been browsing job advertisements, it seems everyone wants analog and