[PEDA] Protel DXP beta testing

2002-05-15 Thread Thomas
I received an invite to apply for Protel DXP beta testing today. As I have not signed it yet, I don't suppose its breaking the NDA to let you know this. Tom. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: *

Re: [PEDA] update schematic ??

2002-05-15 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
thanks to nick and everybody else. i did indeed change operating systems. i went from NT4 to W2K. but also i wasn't coming close to performing all the operations that nick mentions. like i said, i was just changing the part and then plunking my thumb down on the update schematic button.

Re: [PEDA] Protel DXP beta testing

2002-05-15 Thread HxEngr
I received it yesterday. However, I haven't yet decided whether to sign or not. Perhaps the biggest sticking point is that the license specifically forbids me to use the beta to do real work - above and beyond the usual disclaimers of liability for any of the results. Now I have to ask, what's

Re: [PEDA] Protel DXP beta testing

2002-05-15 Thread kiernan_fitzpatrick
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [Snip] Within a short time, though, will come another entrepeneur who recognizes the void which Protel has left, and fills it with tools which advance the state of the art, at a price which fits the vast numbers of small shops which have been overlooked by the

Re: [PEDA] Protel DXP beta testing

2002-05-15 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
by the financial types. Looks like I'm stuck with P99SEsp6, warts and all, until that next entrepeneur gets going. Hmmm, my degree is in computer science (I started out doing mostly programming), and I've now got a lot of experience designing PC boards so I also know the user side of things.

[PEDA] Crashing Database seems to depend on name

2002-05-15 Thread HxEngr
I am working on a database which is giving me serious trouble with Protel crashes. First a bit of history: This database was formed by importing schematics into an Access database from discrete schematic files which had been previously maintained under a Windows database. I've been over all of

[PEDA] startup window

2002-05-15 Thread Mira
Hi, Normally i'm too patient when opening Protel but this time I had some other things to do and minimized the window. When I opened it again I saw the startup window Protel... bla-bla still displayed in the middle of my screen. I can jump from one document to the other but this window is always

Re: [PEDA] startup window

2002-05-15 Thread Michael Binning
The startup window can be disabled by editing the client99se.ini file in your Windows directory. Find the entry - DisplaySplashScreen=true, and set it to false. This will enable you to minimise Protel on startup. Mike.

Re: [PEDA] startup window

2002-05-15 Thread Emanuel Zimmermann
Mira, I remember this as a bug with a former SP. Are you on SP6? Emanuel Mira wrote: Hi, Normally i'm too patient when opening Protel but this time I had some other things to do and minimized the window. When I opened it again I saw the startup window Protel... bla-bla still displayed

Re: [PEDA] update schematic ??

2002-05-15 Thread Frank Gilley
Miker, You have to click to a different part in the list and then back to the one you just changed in order to get Update to work. Don't know why... Frank At 06:42 AM 5/15/2002 -0500, you wrote: thanks to nick and everybody else. i did indeed change operating systems. i went from NT4 to

Re: [PEDA] Issue w/ lomax short Kelvin Paths and Copper pour

2002-05-15 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 02:41 PM 5/14/2002 -0700, Dennis Saputelli wrote: could you repost your alternative? possible implementation: enable an unused mech layer and label it shorts. Add track on this layer to a jumper footprint so that it will short the jumper if added to the plot for the copper layer. Use the

Re: [PEDA] Protel DXP beta testing

2002-05-15 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 04:59 PM 5/15/2002 +1000, Thomas wrote: I received an invite to apply for Protel DXP beta testing today. As I have not signed it yet, I don't suppose its breaking the NDA to let you know this. It's my understanding that Beta testing was only being offered to those who had already signed up

Re: [PEDA] Protel DXP beta testing

2002-05-15 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 08:02 AM 5/15/2002 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I received it yesterday. However, I haven't yet decided whether to sign or not. Perhaps the biggest sticking point is that the license specifically forbids me to use the beta to do real work - above and beyond the usual disclaimers of

Re: [PEDA] AW: Kelvin Paths and Copper pour

2002-05-15 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
Due to a mail system error, this did not go out yesterday when it was written: At 11:57 AM 5/14/2002 +0200, Georg Beckmann wrote: For to do this, I use dummy parts usually 0402 resistors for the routing. You have different nets for current and sense, you can also give them different rules. After

Re: [PEDA] New Netlisting Problem

2002-05-15 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
Due to a mail system error, this did not go out yesterday when it was written: At 05:36 AM 5/14/2002 -0700, Fisher, Jerry wrote: Did you run an ERC to see if the resistor is flagged with a connection error. This is absolutely the first thing that should be done; and the ERC matrix should be

Re: [PEDA] Crashing Database seems to depend on name

2002-05-15 Thread Brad Velander
Steve, just a simple attempt to fix your problem, have you tried to repair the compressed DDB file? Remember the repair tool is under the left side down arrow under utilities. I quite often forget about it as well because of it's semi-hidden location. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB

Re: [PEDA] update schematic ??

2002-05-15 Thread Brad Velander
Frank, there could be some circumstance where what you say is true but I have never had to do such a step. The main step that some may miss seems to be the Save of the updated part before updating schematic. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave

Re: [PEDA] Protel DXP beta testing

2002-05-15 Thread Brad Velander
Abd ul-Rahman, here is a quotation from an Altium publically released report courtesy of the Australian Stock Exchange. Article is Revises Revenue Forecasts Part A released April 11th 2002. Another impact on revenue figures for this half is the re-scheduling of our next major product

Re: [PEDA] Crashing Database seems to depend on name

2002-05-15 Thread HxEngr

Re: [PEDA] update schematic ??

2002-05-15 Thread Frank Gilley
Brad Miker, You know what's funny- often it works properly without having to do either. I tried it just now and it works perfectly every time without saving or switching away. But I know that sometimes I have to either save or switch away or both to get it to work right. Don't ask me why.

Re: [PEDA] startup window

2002-05-15 Thread Tony Karavidas
Yes I think it is a bug. I remember a discussion on this list a long time ago and it had something to do with launching Protel and clicking somewhere else on the screen at just the right time. Maybe it was minimizing the app as it launched. You could probably check the archives (Do we have an

Re: [PEDA] Crashing Database seems to depend on name

2002-05-15 Thread Dennis Saputelli
when it crashes do you get: 'explorer has caused an error' and/or cascading error boxes that you can't close? does the whole protel session quit? do you get 'creating an error log' that you can't find or access? do you get something about 'running a debugger' ? i have seen all of these due to

Re: [PEDA] Issue w/ lomax short Kelvin Paths and Copper pour

2002-05-15 Thread Dennis Saputelli
thanks for repost, i will consider this method yes the shop should have called, FYI it was Imagineering (not the first problem i have had with them) though in fairness their quality is adequate when considering the very fast turn and price Dennis Saputelli Abd ulRahman Lomax wrote: At

Re: [PEDA] Still Delphi? Protel DXP beta testing

2002-05-15 Thread Dennis Saputelli
anyone care to speculate if DXP is still in Delphi, or did they start over in C ? if the latter then there could be a long debug curve and old bugs could be a moot point Dennis Saputelli Brad Velander wrote: Abd ul-Rahman, here is a quotation from an Altium publically released

Re: [PEDA] Crashing Database seems to depend on name

2002-05-15 Thread HxEngr

[PEDA] rooms?

2002-05-15 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
OK, you Protel gurus... What's a room? Yeah, I know, it's what I'm in right now. But seriously, a room just appeared on my PCB after an update pcb action. I need to delete it, but I can't select it. How do I get rid of it? What are rooms for? If they are for placement, can I get the

Re: [PEDA] Protel 1.5 PCB Lib to Protel 99SE PCB Lib

2002-05-15 Thread Andrew Jenkins
-Original Message- From: Ben Uijtenhaak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 9:54 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel 1.5 PCB Lib to Protel 99SE PCB Lib Suresh, I just managed to import an old AUTOTRAX library (last update in 1994) into an

Re: [PEDA] rooms?

2002-05-15 Thread Brad Velander
Ivan, rooms are for controlling placement of parts during layout. It is the equivalent to floor planning in IC or semiconductor design. You may define a room and the parts which should be placed in the room for placement. You undoubtedly had the rooms generated automatically

Re: [PEDA] Protel DXP beta testing

2002-05-15 Thread Joey Nelson
For a product that has been under development for 3 years, 3 months seems a pretty optimistic beta period. Maybe it's only optimistic when trying to put out quality software. Joey Nelson JoeScan 509-338-9678 - Original Message - From: Brad Velander [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA

Re: [PEDA] rooms?

2002-05-15 Thread Tony Karavidas
Rooms are great. Protel will generate a room for each sheet in your sch design. You can then move everything that belongs in a room to its room and that is the fastest way I know of organizing parts in the PCB (initially) I don't think the netlist loaded does it automatically, but it's simple to

[PEDA] 3D VIEW USING RADEON7000

2002-05-15 Thread Christopher Rhomberg

Re: [PEDA] Still Delphi? Protel DXP beta testing

2002-05-15 Thread Tony Karavidas
I would guess it's a new tool set that created it. I saw it at the PCB show a while back, and it looks really different. I'm talking about the icons and other little things that seem to be signature of various packages. I used to remember spotting Borland C stuff from their graphics library

Re: [PEDA] Protel DXP beta testing

2002-05-15 Thread Mike Reagan
. Many bugs do not rear their ugly little heads until the program has been exposed to a wide range of user-generated conditions; as we have noticed, there are bugs that took us two years to find yea and if you think our issues are real problems join a PADS/Inoveda forum, They are

Re: [PEDA] Protel DXP beta testing

2002-05-15 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 08:49 AM 5/15/2002 -0700, Brad Velander wrote: [...]Another impact on revenue figures for this half is the re-scheduling of our next major product release. Protel DXP, which is now expected to go into external beta testing in May and released for sale in July 2002. So I guess anybody can talk

Re: [PEDA] 3D VIEW USING RADEON7000

2002-05-15 Thread Tony Karavidas
I have problems too with an Nvidia GeForce2 card. It's supposedly OpenGL compatible, but who know... Protel should be able to tell us what version of OpenGL they REQUIRE and there should be a test suite that we could do on a card to know if it will work properly. Heck, each card manufacturer

Re: [PEDA] rooms?

2002-05-15 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 11:26 AM 5/15/2002 -0700, Tony Karavidas wrote: Rooms are great. Yes, though their automatic generation can be a small nuisance. The checkbox for adding rooms is the default setting, as I recall, so I'm often getting rooms when I don't want them I'd prefer the default to be settable or

[PEDA] Materials Group from UL 840

2002-05-15 Thread Michael Biggs
I have this question for anyone Please, I am referring from a UL standard chart for materials group tables related to the CTI performance level category values of insulation materials that are specified in the Standard for Polymetric Materials - Short Term Property Evaluations, Ul 746A, to be

Re: [PEDA] silver thru hole

2002-05-15 Thread Dennis Saputelli
thanks for the answer, i didn't know about this stuff (they did say for 2-sided) it doesn't sound like you can or would solder to these if that is correct then you would have to add a via to any through hole parts that have a top side connection, right? now that i think about this sounds like

Re: [PEDA] silver thru hole

2002-05-15 Thread Brad Velander
Dennis, you got it! It is the same or at least similar process to that used by some prototype systems. As for the soldering it takes some thought to do your layout with all solder connections on the bottom side. Similar to single-sided design but with the ability to go 2 sided after you

Re: [PEDA] Protel DXP beta testing

2002-05-15 Thread Matt . VanDeWerken
(Steve Hendrix Wrote): by the financial types. Looks like I'm stuck with P99SEsp6, warts and all, until that next entrepeneur gets going. Hmmm, my degree is in computer science (I started out doing mostly programming), and I've now got a lot of experience designing PC boards so

Re: [PEDA] Materials Group from UL 840

2002-05-15 Thread Linden Doyle
Michael, A large percentage of the PCBs I design operate with high voltages somewhere on them. I design meet to UL standards for 1000Vdc and have no trouble with the spacings involved with using FR-4 material. I have seen FR-4 specified as having CTI values of 175 and up. I specify that for our

Re: [PEDA] startup window

2002-05-15 Thread Ian Wilson
On 02:55 PM 15/05/2002 +0100, Michael Binning said: The startup window can be disabled by editing the client99se.ini file in your Windows directory. Find the entry - DisplaySplashScreen=true, and set it to false. This will enable you to minimise Protel on startup. Mike. If the entry doesn't

Re: [PEDA] Crashing Database seems to depend on name

2002-05-15 Thread Dwight Harm
You might look around for other files with the same filename. Access/protel will create a .ldb file when it opens a ddb, with the same filename as the ddb. Maybe there's a bad .ldb file that's not getting cleaned up after the compress. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [PEDA] startup window

2002-05-15 Thread Matt Pobursky
On Thu, 16 May 2002 08:45:05 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote: If the entry doesn't exist you should add it to the [System Preferences] section In very Protel-like fashion, my client99se.ini file doesn't have the entry. If I add it (yes, with Protel closed and not running), Protel promptly removes it

Re: [PEDA] startup window

2002-05-15 Thread Ian Wilson
At 07:09 PM 15/05/02 -0500, you wrote: On Thu, 16 May 2002 08:45:05 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote: If the entry doesn't exist you should add it to the [System Preferences] section In very Protel-like fashion, my client99se.ini file doesn't have the entry. If I add it (yes, with Protel closed

Re: [PEDA] startup window

2002-05-15 Thread Ian Wilson
At 07:09 PM 15/05/02 -0500, you wrote: On Thu, 16 May 2002 08:45:05 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote: If the entry doesn't exist you should add it to the [System Preferences] section In very Protel-like fashion, my client99se.ini file doesn't have the entry. If I add it (yes, with Protel closed

Re: [PEDA] startup window

2002-05-15 Thread Ian Wilson
At 07:09 PM 15/05/02 -0500, you wrote: On Thu, 16 May 2002 08:45:05 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote: If the entry doesn't exist you should add it to the [System Preferences] section In very Protel-like fashion, my client99se.ini file doesn't have the entry. If I add it (yes, with Protel closed

Re: [PEDA] startup window

2002-05-15 Thread Bruce Walter
I wait until just after the splash disappears before minimizing Prottle. -Original Message- From: Mira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:45 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] startup window Hi, Normally i'm too patient when opening Protel but this time I

Re: [PEDA] startup window

2002-05-15 Thread Matt . VanDeWerken
-Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 16 May 2002 10:42 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] startup window At 07:09 PM 15/05/02 -0500, you wrote: On Thu, 16 May 2002 08:45:05 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote: If the entry doesn't

Re: [PEDA] 3D VIEW USING RADEON7000

2002-05-15 Thread Stephen Binks
Hi Chris and all, Had a similar problem with my Matrox Millennium G550 Solved it by reducing the colour depth from 32 bit to 24 bit. (Display, Properties, Settings tab, Colour Quality) AFAIK, this has no effect on the colour rendering ability but definitely fixed the zebra stripes and missing

Re: [PEDA] Crashing Database seems to depend on name

2002-05-15 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
This happened to us when two users with the write access to a database were working on it at the same time. Igor -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 16 May 2002 1:51 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Crashing Database seems to