I received an invite to apply for Protel DXP beta testing today.
As I have not signed it yet, I don't suppose its breaking the NDA to let you
know this.
Tom.
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thanks to nick and everybody else. i did indeed change
operating systems. i went from NT4 to W2K. but also i
wasn't coming close to performing all the operations that
nick mentions. like i said, i was just changing the part
and then plunking my thumb down on the update schematic
button.
I received it yesterday. However, I haven't yet decided whether to sign or
not. Perhaps the biggest sticking point is that the license specifically
forbids me to use the beta to do real work - above and beyond the usual
disclaimers of liability for any of the results. Now I have to ask, what's
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
[Snip] Within a short time,
though, will come another entrepeneur who recognizes the void which Protel
has left, and fills it with tools which advance the state of the art, at a
price which fits the vast numbers of small shops which have been overlooked
by the
by the financial types. Looks like I'm stuck with P99SEsp6, warts and all,
until that next entrepeneur gets going. Hmmm, my degree is in computer
science (I started out doing mostly programming), and I've now got a lot
of
experience designing PC boards so I also know the user side of things.
I am working on a database which is giving me serious trouble with Protel
crashes. First a bit of history: This database was formed by importing
schematics into an Access database from discrete schematic files which had
been previously maintained under a Windows database. I've been over all of
Hi,
Normally i'm too patient when opening Protel but this
time I had some other things to do and minimized the
window.
When I opened it again I saw the startup window
Protel... bla-bla still displayed in the middle of
my screen. I can jump from one document to the other
but this window is always
The startup window can be disabled by editing the client99se.ini file in
your Windows directory.
Find the entry - DisplaySplashScreen=true, and set it to false.
This will enable you to minimise Protel on startup.
Mike.
Mira,
I remember this as a bug with a former SP. Are you on SP6?
Emanuel
Mira wrote:
Hi,
Normally i'm too patient when opening Protel but this
time I had some other things to do and minimized the
window.
When I opened it again I saw the startup window
Protel... bla-bla still displayed
Miker,
You have to click to a different part in the list and then back to the one
you just changed in order to get Update to work.
Don't know why...
Frank
At 06:42 AM 5/15/2002 -0500, you wrote:
thanks to nick and everybody else. i did indeed change
operating systems. i went from NT4 to
At 02:41 PM 5/14/2002 -0700, Dennis Saputelli wrote:
could you repost your alternative?
possible implementation: enable an unused mech layer and label it shorts.
Add track on this layer to a jumper footprint so that it will short the
jumper if added to the plot for the copper layer. Use the
At 04:59 PM 5/15/2002 +1000, Thomas wrote:
I received an invite to apply for Protel DXP beta testing today.
As I have not signed it yet, I don't suppose its breaking the NDA to let you
know this.
It's my understanding that Beta testing was only being offered to those who
had already signed up
At 08:02 AM 5/15/2002 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I received it yesterday. However, I haven't yet decided whether to sign or
not. Perhaps the biggest sticking point is that the license specifically
forbids me to use the beta to do real work - above and beyond the usual
disclaimers of
Due to a mail system error, this did not go out yesterday when it was written:
At 11:57 AM 5/14/2002 +0200, Georg Beckmann wrote:
For to do this, I use dummy parts usually 0402 resistors for the routing.
You have different nets for current and sense, you can also give them
different rules.
After
Due to a mail system error, this did not go out yesterday when it was written:
At 05:36 AM 5/14/2002 -0700, Fisher, Jerry wrote:
Did you run an ERC to see if the resistor is flagged with a connection
error.
This is absolutely the first thing that should be done; and the ERC matrix
should be
Steve,
just a simple attempt to fix your problem, have you tried to
repair the compressed DDB file? Remember the repair tool is under the left
side down arrow under utilities. I quite often forget about it as well
because of it's semi-hidden location.
Sincerely,
Brad Velander.
Lead PCB
Frank,
there could be some circumstance where what you say is true but I
have never had to do such a step. The main step that some may miss seems to
be the Save of the updated part before updating schematic.
Sincerely,
Brad Velander.
Lead PCB Designer
Norsat International Inc.
Microwave
Abd ul-Rahman,
here is a quotation from an Altium publically released report
courtesy of the Australian Stock Exchange. Article is Revises Revenue
Forecasts Part A released April 11th 2002.
Another impact on revenue figures for this half is the re-scheduling
of our next major product
Brad Miker,
You know what's funny- often it works properly without having to do
either. I tried it just now and it works perfectly every time without
saving or switching away.
But I know that sometimes I have to either save or switch away or both to
get it to work right. Don't ask me why.
Yes I think it is a bug. I remember a discussion on this list a long time
ago and it had something to do with launching Protel and clicking somewhere
else on the screen at just the right time. Maybe it was minimizing the app
as it launched. You could probably check the archives (Do we have an
when it crashes do you get:
'explorer has caused an error'
and/or cascading error boxes that you can't close?
does the whole protel session quit?
do you get 'creating an error log' that you can't find or access?
do you get something about 'running a debugger' ?
i have seen all of these due to
thanks for repost, i will consider this method
yes the shop should have called, FYI it was Imagineering
(not the first problem i have had with them)
though in fairness their quality is adequate when considering the very
fast turn and price
Dennis Saputelli
Abd ulRahman Lomax wrote:
At
anyone care to speculate if DXP is still in Delphi, or did they start
over in C ?
if the latter then there could be a long debug curve and old bugs could
be a moot point
Dennis Saputelli
Brad Velander wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman,
here is a quotation from an Altium publically released
OK, you Protel gurus...
What's a room? Yeah, I know, it's what I'm in right now. But seriously,
a room just appeared on my PCB after an update pcb action. I need to
delete it, but I can't select it. How do I get rid of it?
What are rooms for? If they are for placement, can I get the
-Original Message-
From: Ben Uijtenhaak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 9:54 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel 1.5 PCB Lib to Protel 99SE PCB Lib
Suresh,
I just managed to import an old AUTOTRAX library (last update
in 1994) into
an
Ivan,
rooms are for controlling placement of parts during layout. It is
the equivalent to floor planning in IC or semiconductor design. You may
define a room and the parts which should be placed in the room for
placement.
You undoubtedly had the rooms generated automatically
For a product that has been under development for 3 years, 3 months seems a
pretty optimistic beta period. Maybe it's only optimistic when trying to
put out quality software.
Joey Nelson
JoeScan
509-338-9678
- Original Message -
From: Brad Velander [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Protel EDA
Rooms are great.
Protel will generate a room for each sheet in your sch design. You can then
move everything that belongs in a room to its room and that is the fastest
way I know of organizing parts in the PCB (initially) I don't think the
netlist loaded does it automatically, but it's simple to
I would guess it's a new tool set that created it. I saw it at the PCB show
a while back, and it looks really different. I'm talking about the icons and
other little things that seem to be signature of various packages. I used to
remember spotting Borland C stuff from their graphics library
. Many bugs do not rear their ugly little heads until
the program has been exposed to a wide range of user-generated conditions;
as we have noticed, there are bugs that took us two years to find
yea and if you think our issues are real problems join a PADS/Inoveda forum,
They are
At 08:49 AM 5/15/2002 -0700, Brad Velander wrote:
[...]Another impact on revenue figures for this half is the re-scheduling
of our next major product release. Protel DXP, which is now expected
to go into external beta testing in May and released for sale in July
2002.
So I guess anybody can talk
I have problems too with an Nvidia GeForce2 card. It's supposedly OpenGL
compatible, but who know...
Protel should be able to tell us what version of OpenGL they REQUIRE and
there should be a test suite that we could do on a card to know if it will
work properly. Heck, each card manufacturer
At 11:26 AM 5/15/2002 -0700, Tony Karavidas wrote:
Rooms are great.
Yes, though their automatic generation can be a small nuisance.
The checkbox for adding rooms is the default setting, as I recall, so I'm
often getting rooms when I don't want them I'd prefer the default to be
settable or
I have this question for anyone Please,
I am referring from a UL standard chart for materials group tables related
to the CTI performance level category values of insulation materials that
are specified in the Standard for Polymetric Materials - Short Term Property
Evaluations, Ul 746A, to be
thanks for the answer, i didn't know about this stuff
(they did say for 2-sided)
it doesn't sound like you can or would solder to these
if that is correct then you would have to add a via to any through hole
parts that have a top side connection, right?
now that i think about this sounds like
Dennis,
you got it! It is the same or at least similar process to that used
by some prototype systems. As for the soldering it takes some thought to do
your layout with all solder connections on the bottom side. Similar to
single-sided design but with the ability to go 2 sided after you
(Steve Hendrix Wrote):
by the financial types. Looks like I'm stuck with P99SEsp6,
warts and all,
until that next entrepeneur gets going. Hmmm, my degree is
in computer
science (I started out doing mostly programming), and I've
now got a lot
of
experience designing PC boards so
Michael,
A large percentage of the PCBs I design operate with high voltages somewhere
on them.
I design meet to UL standards for 1000Vdc and have no trouble with the
spacings involved with using FR-4 material.
I have seen FR-4 specified as having CTI values of 175 and up. I specify
that for our
On 02:55 PM 15/05/2002 +0100, Michael Binning said:
The startup window can be disabled by editing the client99se.ini file in
your Windows directory.
Find the entry - DisplaySplashScreen=true, and set it to false.
This will enable you to minimise Protel on startup.
Mike.
If the entry doesn't
You might look around for other files with the same filename. Access/protel
will create a .ldb file when it opens a ddb, with the same filename as the
ddb. Maybe there's a bad .ldb file that's not getting cleaned up after
the compress.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 16 May 2002 08:45:05 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote:
If the entry doesn't exist you should add it to the
[System Preferences]
section
In very Protel-like fashion, my client99se.ini file doesn't have
the entry. If I add it (yes, with Protel closed and not running),
Protel promptly removes it
At 07:09 PM 15/05/02 -0500, you wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2002 08:45:05 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote:
If the entry doesn't exist you should add it to the
[System Preferences]
section
In very Protel-like fashion, my client99se.ini file doesn't have
the entry. If I add it (yes, with Protel closed
At 07:09 PM 15/05/02 -0500, you wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2002 08:45:05 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote:
If the entry doesn't exist you should add it to the
[System Preferences]
section
In very Protel-like fashion, my client99se.ini file doesn't have
the entry. If I add it (yes, with Protel closed
At 07:09 PM 15/05/02 -0500, you wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2002 08:45:05 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote:
If the entry doesn't exist you should add it to the
[System Preferences]
section
In very Protel-like fashion, my client99se.ini file doesn't have
the entry. If I add it (yes, with Protel closed
I wait until just after the splash disappears before minimizing Prottle.
-Original Message-
From: Mira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:45 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: [PEDA] startup window
Hi,
Normally i'm too patient when opening Protel but this
time I
-Original Message-
From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 16 May 2002 10:42 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] startup window
At 07:09 PM 15/05/02 -0500, you wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2002 08:45:05 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote:
If the entry doesn't
Hi Chris and all,
Had a similar problem with my Matrox Millennium G550
Solved it by reducing the colour depth from 32 bit to 24 bit. (Display,
Properties, Settings tab, Colour Quality)
AFAIK, this has no effect on the colour rendering ability but definitely
fixed the zebra stripes and missing
This happened to us when two users with the write access to a database were
working on it at the same time.
Igor
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Sent: Thursday, 16 May 2002 1:51 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Crashing Database seems to
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