Re: [PEDA] Stock Components/Joining nets - now autorouting

2003-10-29 Thread Laurie Biddulph
I have spent a fair bit of time trying to `tweak' the rules but seem to reap very little improvement. When using 98 we often do several runs using the last run to make adjustments to component positions etc until we get a pretty good result that we then manually finish off (Have yet to see a

Re: [PEDA] Stock Components/Joining nets - now autorouting

2003-10-29 Thread Laurie Biddulph
This has happened on the last five boards that we have run - all of a similar complexity. Protel 98 succeeds everytime whereas the other two have been a big dissapointment in this area. The `mess' left behind with 99 appears to be the hardest `mess' to tidy up (not surprisingly) yet we can

Re: [PEDA] Stock components

2003-10-29 Thread Laurie Biddulph
This is the way that I proposed to the office and seems the most workable given the alternative of creating an external program(a bit like your server thing probably) to take the Protel generated BOM and manipulate it for us. Problem with that approach is that you still have to enter the

[PEDA] Using Excel for manipulating Protel data.

2003-10-29 Thread Aalt Lokhorst
Hello forum Mr Lomax wrote: When I start, I insert a field, put 1 into the first record (say that is cell A1), put =A1+1 into the next record and fill down. Then I select that field entirely (all records) and Copy. Then I Paste Special/Values. I've now numbered all the records. (Again, there is

Re: [PEDA] Using Excel for manipulating Protel data.

2003-10-29 Thread Edi Im Hof
At 09:58 29.10.2003 +0100, you wrote: Hello forum Mr Lomax wrote: When I start, I insert a field, put 1 into the first record (say that is cell A1), put =A1+1 into the next record and fill down. Then I select that field entirely (all records) and Copy. Then I Paste Special/Values. I've now

[PEDA] Middle mouse button?

2003-10-29 Thread Dale
Hello, Has anyone managed to get 99SE to use the middle mouse button for shortcuts? The middle button is in the list of primary keys in the shortcut editor. Mid_Click, Hold_Mid_Click etc... I have a three button mouse and would really like to use the extra button. Thanks! Dale * * * * * *

Re: [PEDA] OT: audio WAS parallel

2003-10-29 Thread Brian Guralnick
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Re: [PEDA] Off Topic: QFP Tray

2003-10-29 Thread Tony Karavidas
You should get someone to go dumpster diving here in Silicon Valley. Tons of crap like that get tossed around. How about sticking them in some AS-foam in a small cardboard box? How many parts are you trying to ship? -Original Message- From: Tim Fifield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: [PEDA] OT: audio WAS parallel

2003-10-29 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
I'm sure no use of the autorouter was made with these boards, eh? ;-) 30-bit video ADC? I assume that's 10 bits each for R, G, and B ? Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA

Re: [PEDA] Off Topic: QFP Tray

2003-10-29 Thread Tim Fifield
Tony, I found a tray at another local company. I was only shipping 25 parts but was afraid that the pins would get bent in the AS-foam. Some quick tests proved that it was hard to prevent them from moving around in the box so I really wanted to find a tray. Unfortunately the valley is on the

Re: [PEDA] OT: audio WAS parallel

2003-10-29 Thread Brian Guralnick
I'm sure no use of the autorouter was made with these boards, eh? ;-) Correct. 30-bit video ADC? I assume that's 10 bits each for R, G, and B ? Well, it's 12 bit Y, 12 bit Cr, 12 bit Cb component, or 12 bit Y, 12 bit C, or, 12 bit CVBS oversampled by 2x, down sampled to 30 bit component.

Re: [PEDA] OT: audio WAS parallel

2003-10-29 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Only the 24 bit converter can handle RGB. Remember, 24 bit RGB means 16 million valid colors. 24 bit component (YUV) means only 3 million valid colors, that's why head end broadcast quality use 30 bit color component, which gives them around 170 million valid colors. Head end? What does

Re: [PEDA] OT: audio WAS parallel

2003-10-29 Thread Brian Guralnick
I'll bet a lot of HDTV programming will be unrecordable because of that. Too late, HDTV is already recordable on the RCA-DSS dishs which have the HD-PDR on it, or, just use one of my minimal setups, it'll record HDTV,NTSC, PC RGB up to 1940x1440. _ Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [PEDA] Middle mouse button?

2003-10-29 Thread Rich Thompson
I'm on DXP and use the middle mouse button to select the next signal layer (shortcut key * normally) this works really well in use. I couldn't find a way of doing this in protel, however my microsoft optical mouse has options for program specific customization in its drivers. Add dxp (or your

Re: [PEDA] Middle mouse button?

2003-10-29 Thread Mark Koitmaa
Dale- No and Yes. We've discussed before but I don't recall if it was ever determined that there was a mouse/driver that would work with Mid_Click. Even so, I've been using my middle mouse button with Protel going back to the days of Autotrax. The trick is to use the mouse driver (or other

Re: [PEDA] NETLIST MERGE

2003-10-29 Thread Terry Creer
Mike, On the first Schematic, youu need to Place - Sheet Symbol for each of the other two schematics, indicating their filenames accurately. This should make the two other schematics appear to be 'under' the primary one in the explorer window. Alternatively, you could create a new

[PEDA] NETLIST MERGE

2003-10-29 Thread Mike
Hi I have a three sheet schematic in 99SE but I can't output a merged net list. Can anyone help? Mike * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * *

Re: [PEDA] NETLIST MERGE

2003-10-29 Thread Robert Stephens
I haven't used 99SE for a while, but I seem to recall there is an option pick in the create netlist dialog that says descend in to sheet paths? Or something like that No warranty express or implied Bob -Original Message- From: Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29,

Re: [PEDA] NETLIST MERGE

2003-10-29 Thread Peter Bennett
Mike wrote: Hi I have a three sheet schematic in 99SE but I can't output a merged net list. Can anyone help? Mike You need a project file that has sheet entries for each sheet - or put sheet entries for sheets 2 and 3 on sheet 1. -- Peter Bennett TRIUMF 4004 Wesbrook Mall, Vancouver, BC,

Re: [PEDA] NETLIST MERGE

2003-10-29 Thread Steve Smith
Did you create a top level schematic with sheet symbols for each schematic on the project? Regards, Steve Smith, C.I.D. Product Engineer Staco Energy Products Co. Web Site: www.stacoenergy.com www.stacopower.com -Original Message- From: Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [PEDA] NETLIST MERGE

2003-10-29 Thread Mike
Thank you Peter it worked fine. Mike - Original Message - From: Peter Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] NETLIST MERGE Mike wrote: Hi I have a three sheet schematic in 99SE but I can't output

Re: [PEDA] NETLIST MERGE

2003-10-29 Thread Mike
Thank you Steve. - Original Message - From: Steve Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] NETLIST MERGE Did you create a top level schematic with sheet symbols for each schematic on the project?

[PEDA] Exporting Classes?

2003-10-29 Thread John Haddy
Hi all, We're trying to export all the information from a 99SE database so that we can provide it to a contractor who doesn't have any access to Protel (or a Protel import tool). Our big sticking point at the moment is in getting the list of classes and class mambers out of the ddb and into a

Re: [PEDA] Using Excel for manipulating Protel data.

2003-10-29 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:51 AM 10/29/2003, Edi Im Hof wrote: At 09:58 29.10.2003 +0100, [Aalt Lokhorst] wrote: Put 1 in cell A1, put 2 in cell A2, select both cells and then use the small square in the right bottom corner to drag it as far as you wish. See the Excel help 'Fill in a series of numbers, dates, or other

Re: [PEDA] Using Excel for manipulating Protel data.

2003-10-29 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:58 AM 10/29/2003, Aalt Lokhorst wrote: [In Excel] Put 1 in cell A1, put 2 in cell A2, select both cells and then use the small square in the right bottom corner to drag it as far as you wish. nice. Thanks. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message:

Re: [PEDA] Exporting Classes?

2003-10-29 Thread Dennis Saputelli
not that i can see, EXCEPT if you save as ascii PCB here is a snip from a simple bd at bottom can you explain more what they are trying to do? recreate in another system? i assume you are aware that you *can* export the design rules to a file Dennis Saputelli