[PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Protel Schematic Feature ... or bug?

2001-05-07 Thread Brooks,Bill
Hi Protel users... I notice that when I create a BOM with the Schematic program sometimes parts that are on the schematic do not show up in the BOM. After some trouble-shooting I discovered that the parts were being dropped from the BOM ...if... the 'Part Type' field was empty. Is it supposed

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Protel Schematic Feature ... or bug?

2001-05-07 Thread Brooks,Bill
Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: TSListServer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brooks,Bill Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 8:58 AM

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Problem with the DRILL Drawing table -P rotel 99SE SP6

2001-05-07 Thread Brooks,Bill
, February 28, 2001 4:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list proteledausers Subject: Re: [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Problem with the DRILL Drawing table - Protel 99SE SP6 I think we heard this about SP6 does the .DRR file look correct? I think maybe it's just the gerber plots Dennis Saputelli Brooks,Bill

[PEDA] Flex Circuits?

2001-05-07 Thread Brooks,Bill
Hi - I need to make a rigid/flex circuit. Can anyone out there recommend a good fab shop to make the board for me? Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer DATRON WORLD COMMUNICATIONS INC. 3030 Enterprise Court Vista, CA 92083 Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] IPC

Re: [PEDA] Windows 2000 Professional fatal exception errors

2001-05-07 Thread Brooks,Bill
We've been experiencing fatal errors associated with printing as well. We are probably one of the largest users of Protel Software around. Problems with swapping from one network printer to another in Protel have caused us some trouble. We get access violation errors regularly and I found a

[PEDA] Flex circuits in Protel

2001-05-07 Thread Brooks,Bill
I am doing a flex circuit in Protel. Flex requires the use of arcs in or radius corners, have any of you found a slick way to do this in protel that comes out clean? Any other time saving tips for flex design in protel? Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer DATRON WORLD COMMUNICATIONS INC. 3030

[PEDA] problem w/ ports on Protel Schematic Service pack 6

2001-05-07 Thread Brooks,Bill
Another weird problem I have a schematic that was edited by another user here that looks fine on his machine... but when I pull it up the ports all change in length and are not connected properly. Anyone seen this effect? Maybe I have some setting that's wrong? or he does? can anyone

Re: [PEDA] problem w/ ports on Protel Schematic Service pack 6

2001-05-07 Thread Brooks,Bill
, 2001 10:20 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] problem w/ ports on Protel Schematic Service pack 6 At 09:18 AM 4/17/01 -0700, Brooks,Bill wrote: I have a schematic that was edited by another user here that looks fine on his machine... but when I pull it up the ports all change in length

Re: [PEDA] problem w/ ports on Protel Schematic Service pack 6

2001-05-07 Thread Brooks,Bill
: +33 1 41 44 37 61 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cirpack.com -Message d'origine- De : Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoy : mardi 17 avril 2001 18:18 : 'Protel EDA Forum' Objet : [PEDA] problem w/ ports on Protel Schematic Service pack 6 Another weird problem I have a schematic

Re: [PEDA] problem w/ ports on Protel Schematic Service pack 6

2001-05-07 Thread Brooks,Bill
://www.PowerStream.com - Original Message - From: Brooks,Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] problem w/ ports on Protel Schematic Service pack 6 Well, I uninstalled the protel software and re-installed

Re: [PEDA] FYI Protel's response to my printing problem

2001-07-11 Thread Brooks,Bill
Hi Mark, Before anyone can trouble shoot a problem like this you need to give them the variables... answer these questions and you may get a more useful response from the tech support people... What operating system are you using? What are the stats on your machine? What kind of printer are

Re: [PEDA] New on-line PCB quoting service for Protel 99 SE

2001-07-11 Thread Brooks,Bill
Regarding 'how we felt about access database' Some of us STILL feel that way... and are VERY frustrated to have to deal with this.. uh.. feature even after all this time. I wish (with all my might) that they would remove the complexity and 'mismanagement' of my files... and return to a

Re: [PEDA] autorouter

2001-07-20 Thread Brooks,Bill
Hi Richard, I would suggest that you check your setup on Design Rules for the autorouter. It may be that the spacing you are telling the program to maintain is so large that there are no paths for the router to take that would not violate the spacing rule. - Bill Brooks Bill Brooks PCB Design

Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone

2001-07-25 Thread Brooks,Bill
among a large group its very possible to do amazing things... Protel people are some of the best technical people around... think about it. You can make a difference, even if its only a small difference, it adds up. You are a great bunch keep up the ideas... :) - Bill Brooks Bill Brooks PCB

[PEDA] BUG.... Error handling BOM generation

2001-10-01 Thread Brooks,Bill
*** Todays forums are sponsored by Ian Martin Limited Engineering/Technical Placement Specialists www.ianmartin.com *** Found an unusual bug When generating the CAM files, I usually

Re: [PEDA] Using Client Spreadsheets to update schematics

2001-10-05 Thread Brooks,Bill
*** Todays forums are sponsored by Ian Martin Limited Engineering/Technical Placement Specialists www.ianmartin.com *** I have had trouble with the spreadsheet tools - they always drop leading

Re: [PEDA] gerbers from a scan ??

2001-10-18 Thread Brooks,Bill
of a guy that was milling off the layers of a board, one at a time, and photographing the circuits to recreate lost artwork. I guess it is done, but sounds like a lot of work! - Bill Brooks Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D. DATRON WORLD COMMUNICATIONS, INC 3030 Enterprise Court Vista, CA

Re: [PEDA] gerbers from a scan ??

2001-10-18 Thread Brooks,Bill
This is also how we do it... I bring in the gerber from their scans and put it on mechanical layers in the Protel database. The I place the components on top of the image and move the traces from the mechanical layers to the trace layers. - Bill Brooks -Original Message- From: Dennis

Re: [PEDA] ATS

2001-11-01 Thread Brooks,Bill
Perhaps they have had a 'mole' from PADS move in to scuttle the Protel company... It's really sounding a lot like what the Pads/Inoveda people have done to their abused users... I think most of us hate PADS and their stinking product upgrade structure... Oh!.. you want to edit the parts... grin

Re: [PEDA] ATS

2001-11-01 Thread Brooks,Bill
(back to designing PCB's with Protel) -Original Message- From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 10:12 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS Perhaps they have had a 'mole' from PADS move in to scuttle the Protel company... It's really

Re: [PEDA] Copper Calculations

2001-11-19 Thread Brooks,Bill
Hi Rene, I believe the way the story (legend) goes is: The British housing industry used to make copper shingles for roofing... they were 1 foot by 1 foot square and had a weight 1 oz. ... I'm told that's where the measurement technique was invented... This of course, yields the familiar 1.4

Re: [PEDA] Protel usage

2001-11-19 Thread Brooks,Bill
This examination of the Protel package usage is a good exercise... Protel should pay attention to this. rant mode on My pet peeve with the Protel Explorer concept is that I have to open everything, in a specific place, without any changes in the windows environment, in order to get the design

Re: [PEDA] Protel usage

2001-11-19 Thread Brooks,Bill
: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 1:54 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel usage This examination of the Protel package usage is a good exercise... Protel should pay attention to this. rant mode on My pet peeve with the Protel

Re: [PEDA] Padstack

2001-11-29 Thread Brooks,Bill
Hi Wesley, This is what I would do, if I understand what you described... Make a physical clearance in the inner plane where you put the via so it will not connect... If you are using power/gnd planes and not polygon fills then you need to just put a fill or pad in the area on the negative

Re: [PEDA] Padstack

2001-11-29 Thread Brooks,Bill
That DOES work if its a Pad and not a Via...(only because you can't uniquely identify a single via other than by its size and hole if they were different than all the rest of the vias on the board. Place a free PAD out there and call it '1', connect the net to 'gnd'. Then you can define a rule

Re: [PEDA] Padstack

2001-11-29 Thread Brooks,Bill
Nicely put ABD... I didn't attempt to address the cap placement issue because I am not familiar with his design...But as a general rule I put bypass caps as close as I can to the lead of the IC that needs decoupling and drop a via to the ground plane as close as possible to the CAP foot print

Re: [PEDA] Padstack

2001-11-29 Thread Brooks,Bill
Very good point! Michael, In fact the diligence in reviewing the macros is key if you want to retain things like mounting holes that have a connection to ground, or Fiducials that are named components in your design...most of us do not include such things in the schematic... the macros created

Re: [PEDA] Padstack

2001-11-30 Thread Brooks,Bill
Again you are most observant Abd... The problem I encountered was the removal of the net from the pad used for mounting. And if it was a component, as many of our older designs were, the macros marked it for deletion. I believe I was using service pack 5 at the time... I am now using SP6 and your

Re: [PEDA] AW: imported Gerber info missing

2001-12-03 Thread Brooks,Bill
Hi Georg, Could I get a copy of the Gerber translator program you mentioned in this post? - Bill Brooks Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D. DATRON WORLD COMMUNICATIONS, INC 3030 Enterprise Court Vista, CA 92083 Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] IPC

[PEDA] CAMTASTIC GERBER TO PROTEL TRANSLATOR?

2001-12-04 Thread Brooks,Bill
Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:59 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: [PEDA] AW: imported Gerber info missing Hi Georg, Could I get a copy of the Gerber translator

Re: [PEDA] SV: AW: CAMTASTIC GERBER TO PROTEL TRANSLATOR?

2001-12-05 Thread Brooks,Bill
' Subject: [PEDA] AW: CAMTASTIC GERBER TO PROTEL TRANSLATOR? I sent it to Abdulrahman Lomax he wanted to bring it to the file section in this forum. But anyway, I send it to your e-mail address. Georg -Urspr ngliche Nachricht- Von: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5

[PEDA] Signal Analysis ?

2001-12-12 Thread Brooks,Bill
I received this question from an associate who is evaluating the Protel Software and thought I should post it to the forum. Your thoughts? Do you use the signal analysis on Protel? If so, how well does it work? We're finally getting up high enough that we've started checking

Re: [PEDA] Want to know which program created some .PCB files

2001-12-21 Thread Brooks,Bill
Tango, and Accell used the .pcb file format. Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D. DATRON WORLD COMMUNICATIONS, INC 3030 Enterprise Court Vista, CA 92083 Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] IPC Designers Council, San Diego Chapter

[PEDA] Weird Problems with Protel -!!!

2002-01-11 Thread Brooks,Bill
I have had some unusual problems with Protel before but this one takes the cake. I open a schematic from our server directory, Protel 99SE sp6 tells me that the schematic is an unknown file type First thing I thought... oh yea... must be a corrupt file... So I open Protel 98 and the file

Re: [PEDA] Autoplacer

2002-01-22 Thread Brooks,Bill
I don't use it... - BB -Original Message- From: Afshin Salehi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 9:17 AM To: Protel Forum Subject: [PEDA] Autoplacer Hey everyone, I was wondering if anyone has had any luck with the autoplace function? I have played

Re: [PEDA] Protel DXP 'no hurry'

2002-03-25 Thread Brooks,Bill
It was at the PCBWEST show... Very impressive changes... user interface improvements are nice... They demo'd it at the users group meeting on Wednesday... They still have some areas they are working on but it looks much nicer, we shall see when we get through the beta testing, eh? Bill Brooks

[PEDA] PIN/GATE SWAPPING

2002-03-28 Thread Brooks,Bill
Does anyone know if the new DXP software is going to allow PIN SWAPPING or GATE SWAPPING? Its a feature that I think Protel ought to be able to do... I have not been able to do that yet with the software... Anyone have a 3rd party solution? Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D. TITAN

Re: [PEDA] send info.

2002-04-15 Thread Brooks,Bill
What is this? a new form of SPAM? - Bill -Original Message- From: Bob Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 9:12 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] send info. - Original Message - From: Carl Schattke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL

[PEDA] Mentor buying Innoveda (Pads)

2002-04-26 Thread Brooks,Bill
Well, it seems Mentor has decided to purchase Innoveda... http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/020424/20020424001913_1.html Interesting... - Bill B * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: *

Re: [PEDA] All Servers gone

2002-05-03 Thread Brooks,Bill
I have seen something similar... I had to re-install. - BB -Original Message- From: Cam Andruik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 10:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] All Servers gone Well this is wierd. Yesterday Protel worked fine. Today I start it up

Re: [PEDA] Too many hole sizes

2002-05-20 Thread Brooks,Bill
Okay, I'll jump in... The PCB fab house can do what ever it wants to make the board.YOUR FAB DRAWING allows your company to ACCEPT/REJECT it if it does not meet your standards. Tolerances need to be specified for inspection. The FAB Drawing is the control document that protects your company.

[PEDA] I want my .... I want my... I want my SP7

2002-09-10 Thread Brooks,Bill
:) Bill Brooks * Tracking #: F90318EB8B2EE947B643C214A171187F29977808 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a

Re: [PEDA] converting protel schematic to orcad

2002-09-17 Thread Brooks,Bill
Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't Protel 98 give the option of saving the schematic in Orcad version 7 format? Bill Brooks -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 1:44 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA]

[PEDA] Capturing the Low end Market

2002-09-18 Thread Brooks,Bill
Tony... What you said! :) This Capturing the Low end market scheme is what made AutoCAD the defacto standard in the mechanical drafting industry The other successful approach is to supply the software to the education industry like apple computer did (and Mentor is doing) to get

Re: [PEDA] OT Rebuttal WARNING!!! Junctions at + points

2002-10-21 Thread Brooks,Bill
Interesting thread... The reason 4 way ties are 'verboten', is actually because of the potential for mis-interpretation of the circuit. A copy of a schematic on a Xerox, or blueprint machine.. (that dated me), may have a 'spec' or 'splotch' or piece of 'terra firma' or other foreign object

[PEDA] Sourcesafe and Protel

2002-10-28 Thread Brooks,Bill
We have been messing with SourceSafe to see if we can check in and out jobs from an archive to handle rev control of boards and schematics. We noticed that the read only thing happens when we check the job files in and leave a copy behind... I'm curious how you all handle revision control and

[PEDA] Protel Schematic - Inverted signal name NOT bar over the text p lots very LONG and not to scale

2002-11-20 Thread Brooks,Bill
I have noticed that the NOT indicator or Bar over the signal name 'feature' in Protel Schematic plots incorrectly on the HP Plotter when printing my schematic. Have any of you seen this before and what is causing it? How can I work around this problem? Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D.,

Re: [PEDA] Protel Schematic - Circles and Dashed lines display ve ry thin and won't print

2002-12-02 Thread Brooks,Bill
Has anyone see this - the circles on pins and dashed lines on schematics fail to print on certain printers and display very thin compared to drawn line elements that you can adjust the width from small to large with a pull down box option. I can't find a way to adjust the width of the PIN

Re: [PEDA] 99se plotting problem

2003-06-10 Thread Brooks,Bill
I get that all the time... no real resolution at the moment. I work around it, the HP LaserJet printer works. The plotter usually gives me the error message and then proceeds to work. I usually have to crash the program to get3 out of it though... it is not very useful as is, but I have not

Re: [PEDA] 99SE ON WIN XP

2003-06-12 Thread Brooks,Bill
Hi Ian, I have run Protel 99SE sp6 on my laptop on Win XP Pro. No problems so far.. Most of the machines we have that run Protel are running Win 2K Pro. Both operating systems seem to be ok with Protel 99SE sp6 as far as I know. Bill Brooks -Original Message- From: Ian Wilson

Re: [PEDA] Direct printing of artwork

2003-06-16 Thread Brooks,Bill
Here are a few helpful links for the home proto board maker.. I manufactured boards back in the early 1970's and we made all our own manufacturing equipment. Things are of course different now, EPA guidelines on handling chemicals etc... can be a hurdle. I like the machines they have out now that

Re: [PEDA] P99SE Sheet Symbol Port connectivity across sheets.

2003-07-23 Thread Brooks,Bill
Hi Brad, I have to do multi-sheet schematics often and had to figure out a way to do this as well. The method I use is not too complicated. I create a 'dummy' master sheet as the first sheet of the schematic and us the command Design/Create Symbol from sheet to make a Sheet symbol for each page

Re: [PEDA] PCB Copper thickness VS mounted rails.

2003-08-04 Thread Brooks,Bill
The driving issue, if I understand your question, would be the current carrying capacity of the trace structures. 'Cross sectional area' is more important when higher current is involved. Also, if you have any control circuits with fine lines, you may want to steer away from very thick copper and

[PEDA] Autoreply: ---- someone set this thing to stop rebroadcasting Au to replies ------

2003-08-14 Thread Brooks,Bill
The moderator of this e-mail news/discussion group needs to filter out Auto replies from getting re-broadcast to all of us... this guys piers is in some sort of loop repeating over and over with each e-mail his auto reply sends it auto replies to itself... Bill Brooks The person who says it

[PEDA] Library management in a multi-user environment - is this broken?

2003-09-03 Thread Brooks,Bill
I need to hear other's experiences with library management in Protel 99SE SP6. (I assume that DXP is similar) We have many users in our company and access to the library seems to only work for users that have 'write' access to the library file and folder. If they are restricted to 'read only'

[PEDA] Blind vias - troubles with printing check prints

2003-09-04 Thread Brooks,Bill
When I have created a board with blind vias in it, The via pads on inner layers do not show up when creating a final print out of the board. Is this a bug? The only pad/hole combinations that show up on inner layers are the 'multilayer' pads or vias. But, if I create a via that starts on the top

Re: [PEDA] Trace Width Charts

2003-09-26 Thread Brooks,Bill
I have just attended a meeting of the IPC Designers Council where the subject of finishes for PCB's came up and it was revealed that Silver Immersion seems to have great benefits for assembly, shelf life, solderability, rework, etc... Can anyone give me their experiences with the process and its

Re: [PEDA] Film to Gerber Files

2003-10-22 Thread Brooks,Bill
http://www.outputcity.com/ The above link will take you to the website for the people we use to get film converted to Gerber. They do a great job. Ask for Holly. Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEDA] Protel Designer needed

2004-03-03 Thread Brooks,Bill
I happen to know of a 4 month or longer assignment that requires a Protel Designer with Protel 99SE SP6 experience. If you know of someone in the San Diego area that could do this job please send me a resume so I can forward it to the interested party. Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D.,

Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,

2004-03-09 Thread Brooks,Bill
Hmmm... my 2 cents. (that's about what it's worth...) Bah...Protel has a following because it was the best bang for the buck and it had a good user interface... That was P98 SP3 in my book most useful package I ever bought. It's just not there anymore... it's more costly, and they have all

Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,

2004-03-09 Thread Brooks,Bill
Funny, I blame Microsoft for our acceptance of software with 'bugs' in it... I tell you what... If I found bugs in something I bought from the grocery store... I would take it back. Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I. Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 -Original

Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,

2004-03-10 Thread Brooks,Bill
, March 09, 2004 7:08 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great, At 07:12 PM 3/9/2004, Brooks,Bill wrote: Funny, I blame Microsoft for our acceptance of software with 'bugs' in it... I tell you what... If I found bugs in something I bought from the grocery store... I would take

Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,

2004-03-10 Thread Brooks,Bill
In my case, we upgraded a few machines to get the latest PCB and schematic tools because the discount was available and I didn't hear too many complaints about the DXP software on the other forum... though the asking for help is constant... If it was easier to use I would expect to see mostly

Re: [PEDA] Common PCB footprint specifications

2004-03-10 Thread Brooks,Bill
[At the risk of sounding like a commercial...] Try this link Ray, and see if what they are doing will help. http://www.pcblibraries.com/ A good friend of mine, Tom Hausherr, has been working on a common industry library with the IPC and has come out with a product that they think will help

Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,

2004-03-10 Thread Brooks,Bill
seats of unopened DXP and I am trying to convince management to get their engineering department to use 2004.What can we expect to learn from the training? Mike Reagan -Original Message- From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:12 PM To: 'Protel EDA

Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,

2004-03-10 Thread Brooks,Bill
that are still using 98. We have 11 seats of unopened DXP and I am trying to convince management to get their engineering department to use 2004.What can we expect to learn from the training? Mike Reagan -Original Message- From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10

Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,

2004-03-10 Thread Brooks,Bill
I was using P99SE. It was a challenge. Also knowing what I know now, I would have approached the design differently and might have placed higher in the rankings. But be that as it may, it was a good run for the money and I was in very good company at the time too. It was back in March of 2000 at

[PEDA] horses vs. cars sorry off Protel topic

2004-03-11 Thread Brooks,Bill
Oh, come on... Horses smell much better than a City Bus firing up in front of you while your stuck behind him on the southbound freeway. cough, cough I had horses a few years back... there environmentally friendly, and they make great fertilizer for the garden... there's nothing quite like

Re: [PEDA] wouldn't it be nice was horses vs. cars

2004-03-11 Thread Brooks,Bill
around the stockyards at it's center. When the wind blew your way, you'd smell the stockyards. No thanks. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Brooks,Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent

Re: [PEDA] 2004 netlist revisted

2004-03-30 Thread Brooks,Bill
This is serious Mike. I would go back to the old software and get my customer happy first... and take this up with tech support. Sounds like Protel is still performing true to form... release it before its done and fix it on the designer's time... and nickel. How disappointing... Bill Brooks

Re: [PEDA] 2004 netlist revisted

2004-03-31 Thread Brooks,Bill
:17 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 netlist revisted [mx] What does C.I.I. mean. -Original Message- From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 5:53 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 netlist revisted This is serious Mike

Re: [PEDA] Creating selective keepouts

2004-04-08 Thread Brooks,Bill
That sounds like a fairly complex router instruction. I'm thinking the only way to 'trick' the router into performing the way you want may be to hatch the area where you don't want traces with a pattern that would allow vias to be placed in some grid fashion but if the router wanted to place a

Re: [PEDA] Creating selective keepouts

2004-04-08 Thread Brooks,Bill
ROTFL... Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I. Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 -Original Message- From: Mike Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:15 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Creating selective keepouts Bill

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-09 Thread Brooks,Bill
Ray, I made the mistake that you are considering before. The group I was with in Temecula bought Pads on my misguided recommendation... I was taken in by the demo. The guys made it look so easy, then when I got the software and realized they sold me a package that was stripped down compared to

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-09 Thread Brooks,Bill
-Original Message- From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 9:55 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation? The 'best' program out there by popular opinion... I hate to say this... Is supposedly Mentor

Re: [PEDA] Are fiducials necessary?

2004-04-09 Thread Brooks,Bill
Hi Ray, Fiducials are highly recommended for surface mount component placement. I think some assembly machines can deal without them by picking an unused pad nearby but its much harder and more error prone without them. You should try to use them. Also you can add global fiducials on the

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-09 Thread Brooks,Bill
standpoint Mike Reagan -- Original Message -- From: Brooks,Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:12:42 -0700 Ray, I made the mistake that you are considering before. The group I

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-09 Thread Brooks,Bill
This is pretty damning commentary. And maybe a bit 'rash'... It does make me think hard about Mentor and the cost/vs. productivity issues. If, I say,* IF * Altium is shifting its focus to the embedded systems market as a way of garnering revenue... it may mean that they have come to the

Re: [PEDA] Would it not be nice?

2004-04-12 Thread Brooks,Bill
The key thing here John, may be, that Altium will need to have a separate group of people to service the needs of their Simulation/Nanoboard types from the PCB/SCH types. They certainly have more issues to respond to. A full suite of tools says to me.. 'one size fits all'... or more accurately

[PEDA] Fab drawing?

2004-04-12 Thread Brooks,Bill
How do you output your fab drawing? Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I. Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: *

Re: [PEDA] Would it not be nice?

2004-04-12 Thread Brooks,Bill
: John A. Ross [RSDTV] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 3:34 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Would it not be nice? -Original Message- From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 6:43 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re

Re: [PEDA] Would it not be nice?

2004-04-13 Thread Brooks,Bill
It's great to have the point of view of a FPGA designer/developer. We don't all do FPGA design and find the direction that Protel is taking very unsettling when there are so many other things they could be doing to improve the product. Thanks for your insight Harry. It lends a voice of reason to

Re: [PEDA] Simulation Book Online

2004-04-15 Thread Brooks,Bill
http://www10.edacafe.com/book/SpiceHandBook/index.php Is that what you are looking for? The SPICE Handbook of 50 Basic Circuits Steven M. Sandler and Analytical Engineering, Inc Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I. Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 * * * * * * * *

[PEDA] What to do with an 'unused' pin...?

2004-04-20 Thread Brooks,Bill
How do you deal with unused pins on schematic symbols when the symbol is only electrically connected to fewer pins than the physical device or footprint has? Some of the more difficult parts to configure are devices that electrically connect like the TO220 , a 3 leaded device with a electrically

Re: [PEDA] Protel TOP GUN

2004-05-12 Thread Brooks,Bill
Thanks for the kind words Mike, however I must clear up the record... My foray into the TOP GUN competition did not result in my getting the coveted flight jacket, but I did use the tool (99SE) successfully in competition. It was an honor in itself to get the invitation to compete, they do not

Re: [PEDA] Protel TOP GUN

2004-05-12 Thread Brooks,Bill
In the case of PCB WEST TOP GUN, the actual design is held in confidence for obvious reasons. You are given a BOM with the uncommon parts data sheets at the beginning prior to the contest. This allows you to make your library parts that may not already be in your library. The schematic and board

Re: [PEDA] VIA

2004-05-13 Thread Brooks,Bill
I have used 14/24 successfully without any manufacturing price/yield issues. When you go below that threshold the price starts to climb. Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I. Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 http://pcbwizards.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

[PEDA] Acrobat 6.0 troubles...

2004-05-13 Thread Brooks,Bill
Having trouble with Adobe Acrobat 6.0 professional and printing from Protel 99SE. It worked as a printer device with Acrobat 5.0 but now it seems to not work... Has anyone dealt with this before? Any work arounds or fixes? Thanks in advance... Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I.

Re: [PEDA] VIA

2004-05-13 Thread Brooks,Bill
was a different story though Thanks Norbert -Original Message- From: Tom Robinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 2:50 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] VIA Thanks guys for the info. tr :) -Original Message- From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [PEDA] Protel TOP GUN

2004-05-13 Thread Brooks,Bill
Contests only are good for the day of the contest. A million things can affect the outcome of a contest. One guy who was competing could not get his machine to boot up... he wasted hours of precious time troubleshooting it before he could even get started That's just the nature of contests...

[PEDA] Del Mar Electronics Show 4/28 4/29

2004-04-27 Thread Brooks,Bill
Del Mar Electronics Show, April 28 and 29, Del Mar Racetrack, San Diego, CA -- Local Fellow Protel Users, For the 3rd year in a row, thanks to the Del Mar Electronics Show management, and Doug Bogenstab, we are proud to be hosting a IPC Designers Council

Re: [PEDA] Protel 99SE - Can not open .pcb files

2004-05-26 Thread Brooks,Bill
Steve, Check your downward pointing grey arrow in the upper left hand corner select security, and check to see that your licensing has not been corrupted... I noticed when I loaded a copy of AutoTrax on my system that it messed up my Protel licensing and I had to re-enter the codes all over

Re: [PEDA] IPC-2581 IPC-7351.

2004-06-29 Thread Brooks,Bill
I wonder just how many licensed seats there are of Protel in the world is that published anywhere? Also I wonder if Pads has published the same info? I didn't participate in the poll so it's at least off by one. LOL... I would venture to say Protel may have more seats that Pads... but

Re: [PEDA] Licenses

2004-06-30 Thread Brooks,Bill
Tom Hausherr PCB Libraries CEO, Director of Technology 858.592.4826 Phone 847.745.0450 Fax E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.PCBLibraries.com http://www.PCBYellowPages.com -Original Message- From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 9:50 AM

Re: [PEDA] Licenses

2004-06-30 Thread Brooks,Bill
-Original Message- From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 11:12 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Licenses Yes it is interesting, since PCB design magazine had indicated that there were about 26,000 designers/engineers subscribed to PCD in the whole

[PEDA] FW: TONIGHT!!! SDDC Meeting Embedded Passives

2004-07-06 Thread Brooks,Bill
-Original Message- From: Brooks,Bill Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:18 PM Subject: FW: TONIGHT!!! SDDC Meeting Embedded Passives Last Reminder - The meeting is Tonight! This is it... don't forget the seminar on Embedded Passives is at Overland Storage tonight at 5:30PM to 9:00PM

Re: [PEDA] Protel 99SE - Pick-and-Place in ASCII

2004-07-06 Thread Brooks,Bill
Hi Ray, The standard DOS text format is ASCII. Just give them a text file that isn't made with any word processing file but is a standard ASCII text file... they should be able to read that. The normal output from Protel 99SE for pick and place, is available in 3 option, CSV or comma delimited

Re: [PEDA] Ver 3.x -- 99SE or DXP??

2004-07-16 Thread Brooks,Bill
We need to gather a bunch of programmers and designers together and beat this one out... after a few brews and a couple of black eyes, we might actually be able to get what the industry really needs. Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I. Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510

Re: [PEDA] Missed messages (Was P99SE installation)

2004-08-05 Thread Brooks,Bill
It may be the spam filtering software... ours captures messages from the forum and tags them and sends me a list of the tagged e-mails so I can manually choose which ones I want to read. You may have similar software where you are. Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I. Tel:

Re: [PEDA] time to upgrade 99SE? / Electra router

2004-09-14 Thread Brooks,Bill
Specctra isn't a turn key product, like most Protel users expected the Protel Autorouter to be. I was always impressed how simple Protel was to use in the beginning but learning to pass parameters to the Specctra Autorouter was much more of a challenge. I have seen the output of the Specctra

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