Re: [PEDA] 'Global' button missing : replaced by fileter and inspect and more gripes
Ian, Read all of my comments about Accel graphics looking like Bitmapped Crayola for the past three years. Protel is cross migrating to Accel and vice-versa.What you describe is in my terms Bitmapped Crayola ( for ALTIUM programmers, Crayola (TM) is a cheap wax pencil wrapped in paper used by artist and children to draw stick figures. I have stated in the past that Protel graphics / color schemes were the best in the industry. Compare zoom in to the maximum resolutions with either PADS or Accel. ( I am comparing comperable products) Then compare a zoom board level with either PADS or Accel. Accel becomes crayola at both levels , PADs is good at zoom in level but round PADS change shape as you zoom out. It has nothing to do with the monitor or video card you use. I have seen it across multiple platforms. So now we have introduced bit mapped crayola to DXP I am surprised to see a negative comment from IANI was going to question his relationship with Protel Mike Reagan EDSI - Original Message - From: Ian Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] 'Global' button missing : replaced by fileter and inspect and more gripes On 03:11 PM 1/08/2002 -0400, vincent mail said: couple of problems. there is no longar a 'gobal' button when changing properties of objects , a solution given here is close but no sigar : Now we are really getting into my complaints about DXP. Gripe 1: scenario: open pcb select all components try changing all designator text heights to 45 mil for example. I can't do it . The moment you click on 'designator' in the inspector it snaps to the text of only one components and does not modify the proprties of all selected parts. Also the selection process is annoying since it pops up a 'list' window. you can't continue editing unless you hit the Clear button in this list window. I am sure I have done this. So it can be done. Just can't quite recall and do not have the software to test. May have to bear with me or wait for someone else to test. Gripe 2 Selecting a bunch of tracks. The tracks are highlighted by either: - a fine line drawn on top of the traces : - a kind of lattice thrown on top of them , (depending on your zoom level), instead of changing the color of the track. I am colorblind ! ( actually contrast blindness) it is very hard to see what is selected and what not. ( for certain layers that have close contrast levels to the white line. ) I am also a little R-G colour blind. I am not too happy with some of the changes in DXP. There is a reduction in the overall screen contrast - or at least that is my impression. Also when drawing a selection box, if the filter is still active ( see previous example ) the parts inside the box do not get selected. Gripe 3 when selecting a bunch of parts by drawing a selection window , the PCb viewer draws a colored recangle over each and every component this reduces the contrast even more and makes it completely bogu s for me to see anything I am not happy with selection in DXP. Gripe 4 The selection is not 'sticky' you select a bunch of stuff , as soon as you click somewhere the selection gets undone. how do you It is an option - to make selections sticky - check the Preferences you should be able to find it. But ... I think it is still broken even with sticky selections. The sticky selections make it confusing and difficult to operate IMO. P99SE is better in that focus and selection were different attributes. DXP merges them to be more standard Windows-like and I think we have lost something. Gripe 5 Select all : sometimes no longer selects all , only layers ( no components) this seems to be related to this list again . something triggers this list to contain stuff without you specifying it. you have to open the list , Clear it and then the commands behave normally. Dunno - you got more details? Report it as a bug maybe. This seems to affect a number of commands . Sometimes the click , hold and drag to move a track with rubberbanding doesn't behave correctly either Clarification : click is the proces of pushing mouse button and releaseing it without moving the mouce , hold drag is push the mouse button down without releaseing it and then start moving click is select something hold drag is move without rubberbanding click followed by hold and drag is move with rubberbanding of connected vertexes. been playing with DXP for 3 days now ( DEMO version , i'm waiting for my 3 version to come in the mail) . i like a lot of the new things but the above are very annoying for me. I can get used to some of these but the highlight is going to be hard unless someone can do an eye transplant for me. Does the blend slider help? Can you change the colours to help? Ian
Re: [PEDA] 'Global' button missing : replaced by fileter and inspect and more gripes
Re: [PEDA] 'Global' button missing : replaced by fileter and inspect and more gripes
yep .that fixes this. got a couple of other woraround for my other problems too . Rich Thompson wrote: Go to Tools/Preferences and un-tick Click Clears Selection it now works as in 99SE Rich Gripe 4 The selection is not 'sticky' you select a bunch of stuff , as soon as you click somewhere the selection gets undone. how do you 1) add more stuff to this selection 2 ) move a part outside of the selection without deselecting . this was handy when doing parts placement . place a bunch of parts , select them , then do move selection , if one part in the area where you want to place the selection was a bit in the way you could simply move it out of the way and do the move selection command again without having to reselect what you wanted to move * Tracking #: 770E580992AE4A49AFD075FC6569956F48FDA595 * -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _ // Vincent Himpe // _ ___/ Lab Manager / \ \ / / /ST Microelectronics /___\ \ / / / 5510 Six Forks Road . Suite 200 /__//_/__/ Raleigh NC 27612 Tel : (919) 850 6070 Fax : (919) 850 6689 e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 'Global' button missing : replaced by fileter and inspect and more gripes
Now we are really getting into my complaints about DXP. Gripe 1: scenario: open pcb select all components try changing all designator text heights to 45 mil for example. I can't do it . The moment you click on 'designator' in the inspector it snaps to the text of only one components and does not modify the proprties of all selected parts. Also the selection process is annoying since it pops up a 'list' window. you can't continue editing unless you hit the Clear button in this list window. I am sure I have done this. So it can be done. Just can't quite recall and do not have the software to test. May have to bear with me or wait for someone else to test. yep you have ot click on the text and do the -find similar etc thing. i am missing the panel where you could change like 6 or 7 parameters in one shot for all parts. I am also a little R-G colour blind. I am not too happy with some of the changes in DXP. There is a reduction in the overall screen contrast - or at least that is my impression. Well i don't see green ! green is a contrast shade of grey ( i dont have the green receptor in my eye. Below a certain contrast level i can no longer tell the difference between a 'green line' and any other colored line. they are the same to me I am not happy with selection in DXP. Gripe 4 The selection is not 'sticky' you select a bunch of stuff , as soon as you click somewhere the selection gets undone. how do you It is an option - to make selections sticky - check the Preferences you should be able to find it. But ... I think it is still broken even with sticky selections. The sticky selections make it confusing and difficult to operate IMO. P99SE is better in that focus and selection were different attributes. DXP merges them to be more standard Windows-like and I think we have lost something. Exactly. you could 'stack' operations on top of each other without having to unde and redo your action Gripe 5 Select all : sometimes no longer selects all , only layers ( no components) this seems to be related to this list again . something triggers this list to contain stuff without you specifying it. you have to open the list , Clear it and then the commands behave normally. Dunno - you got more details? Report it as a bug maybe. This seems to affect a number of commands . Sometimes the click , hold and drag to move a track with rubberbanding doesn't behave correctly either Clarification : click is the proces of pushing mouse button and releaseing it without moving the mouce , hold drag is push the mouse button down without releaseing it and then start moving click is select something hold drag is move without rubberbanding click followed by hold and drag is move with rubberbanding of connected vertexes. been playing with DXP for 3 days now ( DEMO version , i'm waiting for my 3 version to come in the mail) . i like a lot of the new things but the above are very annoying for me. I can get used to some of these but the highlight is going to be hard unless someone can do an eye transplant for me. Does the blend slider help? Can you change the colours to help? i can play with the colors but then everybody in the office goes ballistic. and i have been using the default ( classic ) color sceme for like 10 years. Ian * Tracking #: 5FA87225A9A39B45A082052296968F86419F0916 * Gripe 2 Selecting a bunch of tracks. The tracks are highlighted by either: - a fine line drawn on top of the traces : - a kind of lattice thrown on top of them , (depending on your zoom level), instead of changing the color of the track. I am colorblind ! ( actually contrast blindness) it is very hard to see what is selected and what not. ( for certain layers that have close contrast levels to the white line. ) Also when drawing a selection box, if the filter is still active ( see previous example ) the parts inside the box do not get selected. Gripe 3 when selecting a bunch of parts by drawing a selection window , the PCb viewer draws a colored recangle over each and every component this reduces the contrast even more and makes it completely bogu s for me to see anything -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _ // Vincent Himpe // _ ___/ Lab Manager / \ \ / / /ST Microelectronics /___\ \ / / / 5510 Six Forks Road . Suite 200 /__//_/__/ Raleigh NC 27612 Tel : (919) 850 6070 Fax : (919) 850 6689 e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PEDA] 'Global' button missing : replaced by fileter and inspect and more gripes
aren't the color schemes set only on the user machine as they are now? if so then your co-workers would not notice Dennis Saputelli vincent mail wrote: Does the blend slider help? Can you change the colours to help? i can play with the colors but then everybody in the office goes ballistic. and i have been using the default ( classic ) color sceme for like 10 years. Ian * Tracking #: 6705FC525D43064AB62C9AB2ED21D8B7A5C1A49A * -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 'Global' button missing : replaced by fileter and inspect and more gripes
Re: [PEDA] 'Global' button missing : replaced by fileter and inspect and more gripes
His co-workers probably walk by...see it...and it triggers convulsions! -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 9:29 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] 'Global' button missing : replaced by fileter and inspect and more gripes aren't the color schemes set only on the user machine as they are now? if so then your co-workers would not notice Dennis Saputelli vincent mail wrote: Does the blend slider help? Can you change the colours to help? i can play with the colors but then everybody in the office goes ballistic. and i have been using the default ( classic ) color sceme for like 10 years. Ian * Tracking #: 6705FC525D43064AB62C9AB2ED21D8B7A5C1A49A * -- __ _ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] 'Global' button missing : replaced by fileter and inspect and more gripes
couple of problems. there is no longar a 'gobal' button when changing properties of objects , a solution given here is close but no sigar : Gripe 1: scenario: open pcb select all components try changing all designator text heights to 45 mil for example. I can't do it . The moment you click on 'designator' in the inspector it snaps to the text of only one components and does not modify the proprties of all selected parts. Also the selection process is annoying since it pops up a 'list' window. you can't continue editing unless you hit the Clear button in this list window. Gripe 2 Selecting a bunch of tracks. The tracks are highlighted by either: - a fine line drawn on top of the traces : - a kind of lattice thrown on top of them , (depending on your zoom level), instead of changing the color of the track. I am colorblind ! ( actually contrast blindness) it is very hard to see what is selected and what not. ( for certain layers that have close contrast levels to the white line. ) Also when drawing a selection box, if the filter is still active ( see previous example ) the parts inside the box do not get selected. Gripe 3 when selecting a bunch of parts by drawing a selection window , the PCb viewer draws a colored recangle over each and every component this reduces the contrast even more and makes it completely bogu s for me to see anything Gripe 4 The selection is not 'sticky' you select a bunch of stuff , as soon as you click somewhere the selection gets undone. how do you 1) add more stuff to this selection 2 ) move a part outside of the selection without deselecting . this was handy when doing parts placement . place a bunch of parts , select them , then do move selection , if one part in the area where you want to place the selection was a bit in the way you could simply move it out of the way and do the move selection command again without having to reselect what you wanted to move Gripe 5 Select all : sometimes no longer selects all , only layers ( no components) this seems to be related to this list again . something triggers this list to contain stuff without you specifying it. you have to open the list , Clear it and then the commands behave normally. This seems to affect a number of commands . Sometimes the click , hold and drag to move a track with rubberbanding doesn't behave correctly either Clarification : click is the proces of pushing mouse button and releaseing it without moving the mouce , hold drag is push the mouse button down without releaseing it and then start moving click is select something hold drag is move without rubberbanding click followed by hold and drag is move with rubberbanding of connected vertexes. been playing with DXP for 3 days now ( DEMO version , i'm waiting for my 3 version to come in the mail) . i like a lot of the new things but the above are very annoying for me. I can get used to some of these but the highlight is going to be hard unless someone can do an eye transplant for me. * Tracking #: 12365D365B04A545B992D6E5A7729B4A82B56446 * -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _ // Vincent Himpe // _ ___/ Lab Manager / \ \ / / /ST Microelectronics /___\ \ / / / 5510 Six Forks Road . Suite 200 /__//_/__/ Raleigh NC 27612 Tel : (919) 850 6070 Fax : (919) 850 6689 e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 'Global' button missing : replaced by fileter and inspect and more gripes
-Original Message- From: vincent mail [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:11 PM To: forum Subject: [PEDA] 'Global' button missing : replaced by fileter and inspect and more gripes couple of problems. there is no longar a 'gobal' button when changing properties of objects , a solution given here is close but no sigar : Gripe 1: scenario: open pcb select all components try changing all designator text heights to 45 mil for example. I can't do it . The moment you click on 'designator' in the inspector it snaps to the text of only one components and does not modify the proprties of all selected parts. Also the selection process is annoying since it pops up a 'list' window. you can't continue editing unless you hit the Clear button in this list window. Here is one way. It's not the quickest, but it will get you thinking about ways to do things. Click on a designator to highlight it. Right click and choose 'Find Similar Objects' Choose: String Type Designator Same (make sure Select Matching checkbox is checked) Click Apply. Now you get a dialog box entitled List and it shows: (ObjectKind = 'Text') And (StringType = 'Designator') In that dialog box, you'll see every designator on your PCB. Press Ctrl-A to select everything in that list box. One of the columns is called Text Height. Edit the column by RIGHT CLICKING and choosing: Edit Selected It will show reverse video for the one you happened to select, but when you make your selection and press Enter, all the rows for that colume will change. That's it. Yes, it's a lot longer than the old way but it is way more powerful. You can pre-sort and select stuff here before doing a partial global edit, etc. For example, you can more quickly select only the capacitors that are only on the left side of the board by using selection followed by non-selected removal. Another way would be to go directly to the 'List' box and type in: (StringType = 'Designator') That would select all designators then you could have edited them. Gripe 2 Selecting a bunch of tracks. The tracks are highlighted by either: - a fine line drawn on top of the traces : - a kind of lattice thrown on top of them , (depending on your zoom level), instead of changing the color of the track. I am colorblind ! ( actually contrast blindness) it is very hard to see what is selected and what not. ( for certain layers that have close contrast levels to the white line. ) Don't square dots help you tell what's selected? The new way gives us the ability to see selected object AND retain the layer info while they are selected. I like it much better. Also when drawing a selection box, if the filter is still active ( see previous example ) the parts inside the box do not get selected. Hmmm, not sure what you're trying to do exactly. Gripe 3 when selecting a bunch of parts by drawing a selection window , the PCb viewer draws a colored recangle over each and every component this reduces the contrast even more and makes it completely bogu s for me to see anything I can see with your requirements how this would be annoying. Gripe 4 The selection is not 'sticky' you select a bunch of stuff , as soon as you click somewhere the selection gets undone. how do you 1) add more stuff to this selection In Tools-Preferences uncheck Click Clears Selection 2 ) move a part outside of the selection without deselecting . this was handy when doing parts placement . place a bunch of parts , select them , then do move selection , if one part in the area where you want to place the selection was a bit in the way you could simply move it out of the way and do the move selection command again without having to reselect what you wanted to move Use the keys M-C (Move component) and click on the one component you want to move that is not part of your carefully crafted selection. The old way was faster (you didn't need to press any keys) This is one area that DXP went backward in several people's opinion. Gripe 5 Select all : sometimes no longer selects all , only layers ( no components) this seems to be related to this list again . something triggers this list to contain stuff without you specifying it. you have to open the list , Clear it and then the commands behave normally. This seems to affect a number of commands . Sometimes the click , hold and drag to move a track with rubberbanding doesn't behave correctly either Clarification : click is the proces of pushing mouse button and releaseing it without moving the mouce , hold drag is push the mouse button down without releaseing it and then start moving click is select something hold drag is move without rubberbanding click followed by hold and drag is move with rubberbanding of connected vertexes. I'm still learning it too, so I don't have much to comment on about gripe 5. been playing with DXP for 3 days now ( DEMO version , i'm
Re: [PEDA] 'Global' button missing : replaced by fileter and inspect and more gripes
Go to Tools/Preferences and un-tick Click Clears Selection it now works as in 99SE Rich Gripe 4 The selection is not 'sticky' you select a bunch of stuff , as soon as you click somewhere the selection gets undone. how do you 1) add more stuff to this selection 2 ) move a part outside of the selection without deselecting . this was handy when doing parts placement . place a bunch of parts , select them , then do move selection , if one part in the area where you want to place the selection was a bit in the way you could simply move it out of the way and do the move selection command again without having to reselect what you wanted to move * Tracking #: 770E580992AE4A49AFD075FC6569956F48FDA595 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 'Global' button missing : replaced by fileter and inspect and more gripes
On 03:11 PM 1/08/2002 -0400, vincent mail said: couple of problems. there is no longar a 'gobal' button when changing properties of objects , a solution given here is close but no sigar : Now we are really getting into my complaints about DXP. Gripe 1: scenario: open pcb select all components try changing all designator text heights to 45 mil for example. I can't do it . The moment you click on 'designator' in the inspector it snaps to the text of only one components and does not modify the proprties of all selected parts. Also the selection process is annoying since it pops up a 'list' window. you can't continue editing unless you hit the Clear button in this list window. I am sure I have done this. So it can be done. Just can't quite recall and do not have the software to test. May have to bear with me or wait for someone else to test. Gripe 2 Selecting a bunch of tracks. The tracks are highlighted by either: - a fine line drawn on top of the traces : - a kind of lattice thrown on top of them , (depending on your zoom level), instead of changing the color of the track. I am colorblind ! ( actually contrast blindness) it is very hard to see what is selected and what not. ( for certain layers that have close contrast levels to the white line. ) I am also a little R-G colour blind. I am not too happy with some of the changes in DXP. There is a reduction in the overall screen contrast - or at least that is my impression. Also when drawing a selection box, if the filter is still active ( see previous example ) the parts inside the box do not get selected. Gripe 3 when selecting a bunch of parts by drawing a selection window , the PCb viewer draws a colored recangle over each and every component this reduces the contrast even more and makes it completely bogu s for me to see anything I am not happy with selection in DXP. Gripe 4 The selection is not 'sticky' you select a bunch of stuff , as soon as you click somewhere the selection gets undone. how do you It is an option - to make selections sticky - check the Preferences you should be able to find it. But ... I think it is still broken even with sticky selections. The sticky selections make it confusing and difficult to operate IMO. P99SE is better in that focus and selection were different attributes. DXP merges them to be more standard Windows-like and I think we have lost something. Gripe 5 Select all : sometimes no longer selects all , only layers ( no components) this seems to be related to this list again . something triggers this list to contain stuff without you specifying it. you have to open the list , Clear it and then the commands behave normally. Dunno - you got more details? Report it as a bug maybe. This seems to affect a number of commands . Sometimes the click , hold and drag to move a track with rubberbanding doesn't behave correctly either Clarification : click is the proces of pushing mouse button and releaseing it without moving the mouce , hold drag is push the mouse button down without releaseing it and then start moving click is select something hold drag is move without rubberbanding click followed by hold and drag is move with rubberbanding of connected vertexes. been playing with DXP for 3 days now ( DEMO version , i'm waiting for my 3 version to come in the mail) . i like a lot of the new things but the above are very annoying for me. I can get used to some of these but the highlight is going to be hard unless someone can do an eye transplant for me. Does the blend slider help? Can you change the colours to help? Ian * Tracking #: 5FA87225A9A39B45A082052296968F86419F0916 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
