Re: [PEDA] .TXT File generation
ok, I've installed the server and put it on my toolbar. 2 questions. 1. Where can I find the bitmap file for the icon? (The icon as seen in the list of servers). 2. How do I use it? I've selected a pad I want as a test point and then pressed the button, but the testpoint box doesn't become checked. The pad is on the bottom of the board. What am I missing? Tim -Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 9:01 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] .TXT File generation On 04:43 PM 13/12/2001 -0400, Tim Fifield said: Thanks Tony, but I'm too busy to test the Pad XY theory right now. (To Group) However, my next problem is that I have a 170 test points on the bottom of my pcb that don't have the testpoint box checked and I can't seem to globally edit to change them all so I can generate a testpoint report. Any thoughts??? Tim Some time ago I wrote a server to help with the lack of global attribute access for the testpoint status. You can find it here: http://www.considered.com.au/Protel01.htm Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] .TXT File generation
On 04:30 PM 17/12/2001 -0400, Tim Fifield said: ok, I've installed the server and put it on my toolbar. 2 questions. 1. Where can I find the bitmap file for the icon? (The icon as seen in the list of servers). 2. How do I use it? I've selected a pad I want as a test point and then pressed the button, but the testpoint box doesn't become checked. The pad is on the bottom of the board. What am I missing? Tim Tim, This server was, and is, a quick hack. There is no online support. However, contained in the zip file is a readme file with details on its use. Basically there is no user interface. You must pass in parameters to set the testpoint status of any selected pads. The readme file gives details on the parameters available. From the readme file: There is only one process: SetSelectedPadsAsTestpoints and only one parameter: TestpointAction which can be one of: ClearAll, Both, BottomOnly or TopOnly. Example: TestpointAction=BottomOnly You should note that actions BottomOnly and TopOnly will *not* change the current testpoint of the status of the other layer - they only affect the testpoint status of their given layer. So to make this server work well, you will probably find that you want to add a couple of menu items or toolbar widgets - one for each of the possible actions. Alternatively you can write you own wrapper in ClientBasic, including a dialog box if you wish, to access the various actions. As for an icon - there is no separate icon provided with the server. It just uses the default icon provided by the P99SE. I think the icon included with this server is the default icon provided by Delphi. If you really want that icon you can rip it out of the dll using one of the numerous icon extracting programs available on the internet. I am sure www.tucows.com would have something. My free servers tend not to have a great deal of documentation or user interface glitzes. Actually I am working pretty much all of my servers such that a dialog box is not required - in some cases, such as the parts list extractor the user has the option of using a dialog interface or a stored configuration - this allows ready conformance to a company standard. The presentation of the dialog box is controlled by a process paramater. Hope this helps, Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] .TXT File generation
On 12:01 PM 16/12/2001 +1100, Ian Wilson said: On 04:43 PM 13/12/2001 -0400, Tim Fifield said: Thanks Tony, but I'm too busy to test the Pad XY theory right now. (To Group) However, my next problem is that I have a 170 test points on the bottom of my pcb that don't have the testpoint box checked and I can't seem to globally edit to change them all so I can generate a testpoint report. Any thoughts??? Tim Some time ago I wrote a server to help with the lack of global attribute access for the testpoint status. You can find it here: http://www.considered.com.au/Protel01.htm Ian Wilson Harry Selfridge pointed out a permissions problem - this has been fixed sorry for any inconvenience. This happened after uploading the site to our hosting service after a major outage (they had to rebuild their machines) and the backups they had paid the fancy US-based data farm had not been done - and the hosting service had not checked their backups. I was overseas for a couple of weeks and the person that did the upload is not as technical as me and neither of us fully checked everything. Bye for now, Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] .TXT File generation
On 04:43 PM 13/12/2001 -0400, Tim Fifield said: Thanks Tony, but I'm too busy to test the Pad XY theory right now. (To Group) However, my next problem is that I have a 170 test points on the bottom of my pcb that don't have the testpoint box checked and I can't seem to globally edit to change them all so I can generate a testpoint report. Any thoughts??? Tim Some time ago I wrote a server to help with the lack of global attribute access for the testpoint status. You can find it here: http://www.considered.com.au/Protel01.htm Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] .TXT File generation
My production facility (not pcb house) is asking for the following: X/Y coordinates of components .TXT file X/Y coordinates of test points/pads in .TXT file Is it possible to generate those files in P99SE? If so, how? Tim * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] .TXT File generation
Tim, Under the CAM outputs, you have choices to generate gerbers, NC Drill, Pik and Place etc. This the the section that you wish to use. Just choose to generate Pick and Place which gives you two files a *.txt and a *.csv file of the X/Y co-ordinates for the components. Also choose to generate a Testpoint report, which will output the X/Y co-ordinates of all your testpoints, provided that you have set all the testpoints as such. Meaning checked the testpoint box under the pad attributes menu. Regards, Lloyd -Original Message- From: Tim Fifield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:41 AM To: Protel EDA Form Subject: [PEDA] .TXT File generation My production facility (not pcb house) is asking for the following: X/Y coordinates of components .TXT file X/Y coordinates of test points/pads in .TXT file Is it possible to generate those files in P99SE? If so, how? Tim * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] .TXT File generation
Lloyd, That works great! What's the difference between Mid XY, Ref XY, and Pad XY? Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:51 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] .TXT File generation Tim, Under the CAM outputs, you have choices to generate gerbers, NC Drill, Pik and Place etc. This the the section that you wish to use. Just choose to generate Pick and Place which gives you two files a *.txt and a *.csv file of the X/Y co-ordinates for the components. Also choose to generate a Testpoint report, which will output the X/Y co-ordinates of all your testpoints, provided that you have set all the testpoints as such. Meaning checked the testpoint box under the pad attributes menu. Regards, Lloyd -Original Message- From: Tim Fifield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:41 AM To: Protel EDA Form Subject: [PEDA] .TXT File generation My production facility (not pcb house) is asking for the following: X/Y coordinates of components .TXT file X/Y coordinates of test points/pads in .TXT file Is it possible to generate those files in P99SE? If so, how? Tim * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] .TXT File generation
Mid is the geometric center of the object. Who knows exactly how they compute it and what they take into account IIRC, this is what I've used in the past. I believe the Ref if the Reference point assigned when the component was built in the library editor. Pad? Dunno. Maybe this uses Pad1 as a default. You could try placing a part or two and telling us. :) I any case, the assembly house when programming their PP machines will verify and correct for offsets or inaccuracies in these numbers. I've seen them do tria runs to figure out if all these numbers are correct. Tony -Original Message- From: Tim Fifield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:50 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] .TXT File generation Lloyd, That works great! What's the difference between Mid XY, Ref XY, and Pad XY? Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:51 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] .TXT File generation Tim, Under the CAM outputs, you have choices to generate gerbers, NC Drill, Pik and Place etc. This the the section that you wish to use. Just choose to generate Pick and Place which gives you two files a *.txt and a *.csv file of the X/Y co-ordinates for the components. Also choose to generate a Testpoint report, which will output the X/Y co-ordinates of all your testpoints, provided that you have set all the testpoints as such. Meaning checked the testpoint box under the pad attributes menu. Regards, Lloyd -Original Message- From: Tim Fifield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:41 AM To: Protel EDA Form Subject: [PEDA] .TXT File generation My production facility (not pcb house) is asking for the following: X/Y coordinates of components .TXT file X/Y coordinates of test points/pads in .TXT file Is it possible to generate those files in P99SE? If so, how? Tim * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] .TXT File generation
Hello,,, Mid is the geometric center of the spans of all of the pins in a component.. (not the body outline.) Ref is the origin of the component when the component was created in the library.. Pad is Pad1 of the component... Most of the time the component is and I believe should be built with the origin (Ref) at the center of PIN 1 so that when placement is performed you have the best chance to align all or the most number of pins to a testable /routing grid.. Since Protel does such a great job of calculating the centroid for the mid of the component anyway. Secretly the object of the game is to get as many pins as possible on an even increment of the routing grid. Which should be an even increment of the placement and tester grid.. Most Assembly houses want the centroid.. which Protel considers to be the Mid.. for surfacemount components... However they want pin1 for axials etc. You can easily provide that by providing the PIK file.. The X,Y coordinates are based from where the origin of the workspace is defined at the time in which you generate the PIK file.. so if you move the origin (set) it to a fiducial or tooling hole prior to generating the PIK file then all coordinates (X,Y) will emanate from that point.. Also doubly cool from a manufacturing perspective... Rotation is based upon the orientation of the component outline at the time it was originally created in the library.. meaning.. if one DIP16 was created in the vertical that would be considered 0 rotation.. if another DIP20 was created in the horizontal in the library it too would be considered 0 also , so when both are place in a workspace or database.. so that they looked vertical .. one would have an rotation of 0 and the other 90.. due to their different orientation at the time of their respective creations. Hope this helps... Sam * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] .TXT File generation
Thanks Tony, but I'm too busy to test the Pad XY theory right now. (To Group) However, my next problem is that I have a 170 test points on the bottom of my pcb that don't have the testpoint box checked and I can't seem to globally edit to change them all so I can generate a testpoint report. Any thoughts??? Tim -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:50 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] .TXT File generation Mid is the geometric center of the object. Who knows exactly how they compute it and what they take into account IIRC, this is what I've used in the past. I believe the Ref if the Reference point assigned when the component was built in the library editor. Pad? Dunno. Maybe this uses Pad1 as a default. You could try placing a part or two and telling us. :) I any case, the assembly house when programming their PP machines will verify and correct for offsets or inaccuracies in these numbers. I've seen them do tria runs to figure out if all these numbers are correct. Tony -Original Message- From: Tim Fifield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:50 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] .TXT File generation Lloyd, That works great! What's the difference between Mid XY, Ref XY, and Pad XY? Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:51 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] .TXT File generation Tim, Under the CAM outputs, you have choices to generate gerbers, NC Drill, Pik and Place etc. This the the section that you wish to use. Just choose to generate Pick and Place which gives you two files a *.txt and a *.csv file of the X/Y co-ordinates for the components. Also choose to generate a Testpoint report, which will output the X/Y co-ordinates of all your testpoints, provided that you have set all the testpoints as such. Meaning checked the testpoint box under the pad attributes menu. Regards, Lloyd -Original Message- From: Tim Fifield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:41 AM To: Protel EDA Form Subject: [PEDA] .TXT File generation My production facility (not pcb house) is asking for the following: X/Y coordinates of components .TXT file X/Y coordinates of test points/pads in .TXT file Is it possible to generate those files in P99SE? If so, how? Tim * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] .TXT File generation
At 02:50 PM 12/13/01 -0400, Tim Fifield wrote: Lloyd, That works great! What's the difference between Mid XY, Ref XY, and Pad XY? Mid is the component centroid. It may only be the centroid of the extent of the pads or it may include outline, I think it is the former. Ref is the location of the components' reference point as defined in the library. Pad, I'm not certain, but I think it is the location of pad 1, if such an animal exists. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] .TXT File generation
At 12:21 PM 12/13/01 -0800, Samuel Cox \Sam\ wrote: Most of the time the component is and I believe should be built with the origin (Ref) at the center of PIN 1 so that when placement is performed you have the best chance to align all or the most number of pins to a testable /routing grid.. Since Protel does such a great job of calculating the centroid for the mid of the component anyway. Secretly the object of the game is to get as many pins as possible on an even increment of the routing grid. Which should be an even increment of the placement and tester grid.. Centroid is better, in my opinion. Yes, the routing grid could possibly be improved by having a guaranteed pad on grid, but much more often, now, pads spacings are not a grid multiple so this is useless. In fact, it is worse than useless: try lining up a series of 0603 resistors, for example, that are to be oriented some with pin 1 up and some with pin 1 down. If centroid were used, no problem, they naturally align. If pads are on grid, centroid will be on grid or half-grid at worst. For example, an SOIC will have the pads on 25 mil grid (in the direction of tracks that must pass between pads, which is where grid is important. Rotating parts with centroid reference is a bit easier, they stay put. Discover that a diode is wired backwards in the schematic after the PCB design is done? With centroid reference, one rotation and you are done. With pin 1, you must rotate and translate. If you have a row of 100 of these, you can rotate them with a global edit, you will be very glad you have centroid reference. Protel is to be commended for providing alternatives [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] .TXT File generation
I know that the pick and Place file when you generate the Gerber files will give the X/Y coordinates of the components and their rotation. I am not familiar with a way to get the testpoint coordinates Anthony Whitesell Sunrise Labs -Original Message- From: Tim Fifield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:41 AM To: Protel EDA Form Subject: [PEDA] .TXT File generation My production facility (not pcb house) is asking for the following: X/Y coordinates of components .TXT file X/Y coordinates of test points/pads in .TXT file Is it possible to generate those files in P99SE? If so, how? Tim * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
