I will respond to both Tony and Ian
TONY and IAN you are both right the class can be shown , with the inpector, and pcb
panel up. But not ALWAYS in less keystrokes What I have foundis ...the
inpector will not always come up with a right dialog.If it comes up blank ,you
have to
in 99SE you don't need any specific lib opened to load a
netlist
we often use orcad netlists wher NONE of the footprints match any names
that we
will use
in that case we just place them as we see fit and the netlist load
succeeds
without a perfect match
this is an appropriate working method at
On 04:02 AM 19/03/2004, Dennis Saputelli said:
in 99SE you don't need any specific lib opened to load a
netlist
we often use orcad netlists wher NONE of the footprints match any names
that we
will use
in that case we just place them as we see fit and the netlist load
succeeds
without a perfect
productivity, productivity, productivity
those are the three things that need improvement in DXP
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 16:01:07
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productivity, productivity, productivity
those are the three things that need improvement in DXP
Do you have
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:58:42 -0800
I was using P99SE. It was a challenge. Also knowing what I know now, I
would
have approached the design differently and might have placed higher in the
rankings
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will open a drop box and you can choose True or False.
Tony
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Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,buttI am having
reservations
Ian
I have been
such as a 1000 pin BGA while still retaining the
ratsnest, routes, DRC, etc to that object. Now THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE
Tony
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Here are few missing features in 2004 vs 99SE PCB
Tonight's missing feature is: Option Layers, non of the short cut keys for ALLON
ALLOFF work anymore. They are supposed to work but probably won't until service pack
2. So you have to click and pick each one with your freaking little mouse.
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On 09:25 AM 18/03/2004, Mike Reagan said:
Ian
I have been using 2004 for about three weeks and have found three global
edits that the new and improved method can not handle. In 99SE I could
create a net class called AD. If I wanted to show only the RATS nets for
that class I could edit net ADO
] 2004 DXP Looks Great,buttI am having
reservations
Another lost feature: If you want to edit the text size in a
selected group of components. it also cant be done. There
are hoops and games you can play but it cant be done easily
On 01:58 PM 18/03/2004, edsi said:
Here are few missing features in 2004 vs 99SE PCB
Tonight's missing feature is: Option Layers, non of the short cut keys
for ALLON ALLOFF work anymore. They are supposed to work but probably
won't until service pack 2. So you have to click and pick each
At 04:56 PM 3/17/2004, Ian Wilson wrote:
On 08:31 AM 18/03/2004, Protel Hell said:
productivity, productivity, productivity
those are the three things that need improvement in DXP
This is an interesting comment. I don't like going back to P99SE for this
very reason. I use DXP by preference, even
On 01:15 PM 18/03/2004, Tony Karavidas said:
Mike,
It can be done. Create you net class as you did. Then, go to the List window
and type
(ObjectKind = 'Net') AND (InNetClass('AD'))
Or
IsNet AND (InNetClass('AD'))
(a bit less typing)
Ian
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Ian,
The buttons work, but the shortcut keys don't, they
have used the same keys twice, as in ALT O, was All
Off, now selects the Other Layers listooop's
Darren Moore
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On 01:58 PM 18/03/2004, edsi said:
Here are
Here is an analogy. I have a router and I want it connect Points A B C
and D on a back plane in that order. I can write three lines of code to
connect them, a forth line of code to define the layer and fifth line of
code to tell it no vias or .I can take my mouse and manually route the
Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,buttI am having
reservations
Tony,
Thanks for the info you are probably right about your
methods for netlist and text changes.
I am not too smart, I am basically a dumbarsh and If I have
to type that much crap in then apparently I dont
True!! :)
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On 01:15 PM 18/03/2004, Tony Karavidas said:
Mike,
It can be done
On 02:34 PM 18/03/2004, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said:
At 04:56 PM 3/17/2004, Ian Wilson wrote:
On 08:31 AM 18/03/2004, Protel Hell said:
productivity, productivity, productivity
those are the three things that need improvement in DXP
This is an interesting comment. I don't like going back to P99SE for
, 2 mouseclicks, done
DXP
5 mouseclicks, Enter
Try it.
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reservations
You're the one
The American version is Don't get your panties all in a bunch
Bob
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Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
--- Brooks,Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
on
this issue, so please don't.
Respectfully submitted,
JaMi Smith
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on a bad day, Protel is over an order of magnitude more
expensive.
aj
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Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 7:12 PM
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Funny, I blame Microsoft for our acceptance
, March 09, 2004 7:08 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
At 07:12 PM 3/9/2004, Brooks,Bill wrote:
Funny, I blame Microsoft for our acceptance of software with 'bugs' in
it...
I tell you what... If I found bugs in something I bought from the grocery
store... I would take
Y'all
I started this thread and want to assure all of you that 2004 works much
better than DXP. I too closed DXP away and never opened it again. I
received the 2004 package two weeks ago, have finished 3 designs. There
are some minor bugs I have found, but overall I was up and running in
, March 09, 2004 7:53 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
On 02:08 PM 10/03/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Ian Wilson wrote:
I am intrigued by this. How do the people that haven't used something
know it is not more (or less) productive than what they are using
AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
Mike:
Thanks for your review of 2004. It's good to hear something positive
about
Altium and their products, for a change. Keep us posted as to which new
features are the best and if any are gotta have.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc
'
Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
In my case, we upgraded a few machines to get the latest PCB and schematic
tools because the discount was available and I didn't hear too many
complaints about the DXP software on the other forum... though the asking
for help is constant... If it was easier
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On 08:17 PM 10/03/2004, JaMi Smith said:
..snip..
BS!
Absolute BS!
Nick, Altium - You are not giving
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Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
In my case, we upgraded a few machines to get the latest PCB and schematic
tools because the discount was available and I didn't hear too many
complaints about the DXP software on the other forum... though the asking
for help is constant
Untested in 2004 is the Autorouter. Since I purchased Konekt's router, I
have been using it exclusively . I still do not have pair capability but
Konekt is committed to making this feature available in the next few months.
I would be interested to hear from anyone that has tested Protel 2004
'
Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
For those of you that dont know, we are honored to have MASTER JEDI Bill
Brooks among us. Mr. Brooks was a top qualifier in the TOP GUN contest.
Bill, wanted to ask was the training class worth it? We have 11
engineers at Cornet Technology
What, you're speechless? ;)
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Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 10:16 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
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To: Protel EDA
At 10:08 PM 3/9/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you do something a lot and it used to take 5 keystrokes (or mouse
clicks) in 99SE but takes 20 in DXP, to me that is a HUGE problem. Even
if the new feature is 100 times more powerful (as in the case of the DXP's
inspector versus 99SE's global
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From: Mike Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 6:01 PM
To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
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For those of you that dont know, we are honored to have
MASTER JEDI Bill Brooks among us. Mr. Brooks was a top
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On 08:17 PM 10/03/2004, JaMi Smith said:
..snip..
BS!
Absolute BS!
Nick, Altium - You are not giving
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Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
Just an additional clarification Mike,
The book from the DXP class is nice. It's about 300 pages
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What, you're speechless? ;)
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I was using P99SE. It was a challenge. Also knowing what I know now, I would
have approached the design differently and might have placed higher in the
rankings. But be that as it may, it was a good run for the money and I was
in very good company at the time too. It was back in March of 2000 at
--- Brooks,Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
was... but I can guarantee I won't 'get my knickers in a knot'
worrying about it.
(I just love that one... 'Knickers in a Knot'... I heard that on TV
the other night grin)
Have you been watchin' Australian TV shows again Bill? You're starting
to
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Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
I was using P99SE. It was a challenge. Also knowing what I know now, I would
have approached the design
On 08:54 AM 11/03/2004, JaMi Smith said:
The real charge against me, if you will, was that I instigated and lead the
Revolt against ATS, and embarrassed Altium by asking questions both
here in the
PEDA Forum and in the original Yahoo! DXP Forum that they couldn't answer,
with the
result being
: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
I was using P99SE. It was a challenge. Also knowing what I know now, I would
have approached the design differently and might have placed higher in the
rankings. But be that as it may, it was a good run for the money and I was
in very good company at the time too
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
There is enough improvement in 2004 that the term Upgrade is earned.
Earned from whom? A company can call something a service pack, an
upgrade, a totally new version or a totally different product and none
of it has anything to do with reality -- only with marketing.
In a message dated 3/9/2004 7:34:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
After the piece of junk I
received in the guise of DXP, they would not be seeing a dollar out of
my pocket to evaluate a new product. I am certain that I am not the
only customer who feels that way.
Corporation
www.thermo.com
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Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
In a message dated 3/9/2004 7:34:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
After
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Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
This is kind of what I was trying to address in the DXP Forum with a post
there,
before Nick stepped in and totally side-stepped the issue by telling
Um, don't you mean P98 SP 12?
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Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 9:35 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
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Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
This is kind of what I was trying to address in the DXP Forum
John A. Ross [Design] wrote:
shows the actual level of
respect Altium has for its users, and they know that they will get away
with it, because of the amount of loyalists within the user community
who will automatically defend them with tunnel vision.
Lots of companies have that attitude.
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John A. Ross [Design] wrote:
shows the actual level of
respect Altium has for its users, and they know that they will get away
: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
John A. Ross [Design] wrote:
shows the actual level of
respect Altium has for its users, and they know that they will get away
with it, because of the amount of loyalists within the user community
who will automatically defend them with tunnel vision.
Lots
Message-
From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 9:21 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Cc: JaMi Smith
Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
There is an SP3 in Beta. My understanding is that Protel 2004 includes a
lot more than SP3. There is enough
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From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 10 March 2004 10:31 AM
To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
Hmmm... my 2 cents. (that's about what it's worth...)
Bah...Protel has a following because it was the best bang for the buck
Phil's comments pretty much sum up our findings, feeelings
and experience too (except we never did Mentor)
after a few whirls around our DXP is 'still in the box' too
there's just never any time to lose getting up to speed and
messing around with new ways of doing the same thing
Dennis
On 12:16 PM 10/03/2004, DUTTON Phil said:
Bill,
My DXP is still in
the box.
..snip..
There are some
good things in DXP, but there are many features that really don't seem
to help my productivity.
I am intrigued by this. How do the people that haven't used something know
it is not more (or
I have been through the learning curve with the beta
testing, going back 2 years, for DXP and P2004, and
I have still been using 99 also.
With the changes now in 2004 I will now move to this
new release, upgrade whatever you like to call it.
As for the manuals, they are always great, but as
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On 12:16 PM 10/03/2004, DUTTON Phil said:
Bill,
My DXP is still in
the box.
..snip..
There are some
good things in DXP, but there are many features that really don't seem
to help my
Ironic, isn't it, that this thread has been filled with sometimes harsh
complaint, while the title is as it is. I look at my mail list and see,
repeated over and over 2004 DXP Looks Great. I agree with that, as well
as with some of the criticism here.
Note that the criticism in this thread is
Ian Wilson wrote:
I am intrigued by this. How do the people that haven't used something
know it is not more (or less) productive than what they are using.
That one is easy to answer. Go back and read the posts again. Almost
every individual, including me, has indicated that they actually
At 07:12 PM 3/9/2004, Brooks,Bill wrote:
Funny, I blame Microsoft for our acceptance of software with 'bugs' in it...
I tell you what... If I found bugs in something I bought from the grocery
store... I would take it back.
You wouldn't do that if you were hungry enough and there was no other
On 02:08 PM 10/03/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Ian Wilson wrote:
I am intrigued by this. How do the people that haven't used something
know it is not more (or less) productive than what they are using.
That one is easy to answer. Go back and read the posts again. Almost
every individual,
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Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 11:04 AM
To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
I'm guessing they it's either a new purchase or he is paying maintenance.
Tony
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From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday
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From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 11:04 AM
To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
I'm guessing they it's either a new purchase or he is paying
maintenance.
Tony
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From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 11:04 AM
To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
I'm guessing they it's either a new purchase or he is paying maintenance.
Tony
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From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
Mike,
You are getting me excited for when I get my copy. See what old age does, I
get excited about software.
Joe
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Sent: Monday
On 06:18 AM 9/03/2004, Joe Sapienza said:
Mike,
You are getting me excited for when I get my copy. See what old age does, I
get excited about software.
Precious little else to get excited about ...
Ian
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On 03:03 AM 9/03/2004, Tony Karavidas said:
I'm guessing they it's either a new purchase or he is paying maintenance.
Tony
This was made quite clear by Nick on the DXP list, wasn't it Tony.
Full licenses get manuals, the upgrade issued to DXP license holders
don't. At least this is what Nick
: Mike Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
Joe
Calling the shots like I see them. One thing I noticed ...because I can
store pcb files as pcb files again my files are manageble sizes. I
] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
On 06:18 AM 9/03/2004, Joe Sapienza said:
Mike,
You are getting me excited for when I get my copy. See what old age does,
I
get excited about software.
Precious little else to get excited about ...
Ian
, March 08, 2004 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
On 03:03 AM 9/03/2004, Tony Karavidas said:
I'm guessing they it's either a new purchase or he is paying maintenance.
Tony
This was made quite clear by Nick on the DXP list, wasn't it Tony.
Full licenses get manuals
[sigh...]
At 09:34 PM 3/8/2004, JaMi Smith wrote:
This is kind of what I was trying to address in the DXP Forum with a post
there, before Nick stepped in and totally side-stepped the issue by
telling me to go read a link.
Pesky fellow, he, distracting us from our monomanias.
People keep
Ok, so, you said that at 7:02 GMT, march 2, has your opinion changed yet?
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Brian Guralnick
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Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 5:52 AM
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To: Protel EDA Forum
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Ok, so, you said that at 7:02 GMT, march 2, has your opinion changed yet?
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Brian Guralnick
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Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday
:52 AM
Subject: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
Hello All,
I received my DXP 2004 and it actually looks pretty good. It arrived with
THICK manual.I am very very happy to receive a manual. I had to spend a
few minutes with tech support to find a few things but otherwise it looks
usable. Once
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