Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great but lost features
in 99SE you don't need any specific lib opened to load a netlist we often use orcad netlists wher NONE of the footprints match any names that we will use in that case we just place them as we see fit and the netlist load succeeds without a perfect match this is an appropriate working method at times ds Ian Wilson wrote: Doesn't P99SE have the same issue. You have always had to have the source libraries loaded (not opened). If a library is not loaded in the library list the component will not be loaded. The difference is that DXP and P2004 allow you to specify exactly which library it should come from and there is none of that silly XREF substitution that P99SE and older could get up to. I *love* the strict library management of DXP. Going back to the Just grab it from the first lib in the list that has the same footprint name just doesn't cut it for me. I want full control. The thing I find irritating, a bit, is that if I *fully* specify the source library when nominating the footprint, should I really need to have that library loaded in the Library panel? Surely it can go fetch. Ian -- ___ Integrated Controls, Inc. Tel: 415-647-0480 EXT 107 2851 21st StreetFax: 415-647-3003 San Francisco, CA 94110 www.integratedcontrolsinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great but lost features
On 04:02 AM 19/03/2004, Dennis Saputelli said: in 99SE you don't need any specific lib opened to load a netlist we often use orcad netlists wher NONE of the footprints match any names that we will use in that case we just place them as we see fit and the netlist load succeeds without a perfect match this is an appropriate working method at times Dennis, You can still manually place a component from a library and then close the library and then update the PCB (importing the netlist is basically the same as updating from a Sch in DXP - it can still be done but the process is different from P99SE. I do not know if it is easier or harder as it is not something I do). The match is by designator which is what you would want I assume? Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great but lost features
Here are few missing features in 2004 vs 99SE PCB Tonight's missing feature is: Option Layers, non of the short cut keys for ALLON ALLOFF work anymore. They are supposed to work but probably won't until service pack 2. So you have to click and pick each one with your freaking little mouse. I also ran into a major problem loading a netlist last night...2004 would not load my netlist without one specific library opened. All of my 0603 components caused 2004 to yeild a ton of errors until I opened my library containing 0603s. What a pain. There are some cool things about the new way of loading a netlist, but overall you need to clear it first, the same as 99SE or it will burn you for with incorrect netlist information. The loading is much faster. I havent tried it on huge huge board yet but it looks much faster for netlist loading. DRC s are faster too...except the online drc has a delay. Read into this as a bug, since it doesnt tell you about your violation until too late. You know I really dont care that this stuff is still not fixed because Im smart enough to find the problems. What upsets me is there are new methods to throw the same bugs at me. What is this? Do l just look stupid and wrapping the same bug in another wrapper is going to fool me? HA HA HA cant fool me I found WALDO, in the software. I am keeping 2004 because I need the other cool new features it has. It does have some good stuff and so far I have completed about 4 - 5 designs in 3 weeks so the learning curve isnt too steep if you are used to Protel software. Oh yea...forgot to mention long overdue featurecomplete padstacks. Well done Protel and about time. Did I mention the Specta interface is much better, I wont mention Spectra anymore... Let's all use Electra from ConnectEDA Check this out http://www.eedesign.com/news/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=Q1CFXLA5TWBB0QSNDBCCKHY?articleId=18400124 its a short blirp on this new router (company profile). If you havent tried it, download a demo. It kicks but. I ve done a few complex designs with it Mike Reagan EDSI Frederick MD * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great but lost features
On 01:58 PM 18/03/2004, edsi said: Here are few missing features in 2004 vs 99SE PCB Tonight's missing feature is: Option Layers, non of the short cut keys for ALLON ALLOFF work anymore. They are supposed to work but probably won't until service pack 2. So you have to click and pick each one with your freaking little mouse. They all work for me. I use these buttons all the time in both PCB and PCBLib. There is *no* way I would not have commented on this before if I had this problem. These are exactly the sort of productivity things (and dialog TAB orders) that really affect daily use. I also ran into a major problem loading a netlist last night...2004 would not load my netlist without one specific library opened. All of my 0603 components caused 2004 to yeild a ton of errors until I opened my library containing 0603s. What a pain. Doesn't P99SE have the same issue. You have always had to have the source libraries loaded (not opened). If a library is not loaded in the library list the component will not be loaded. The difference is that DXP and P2004 allow you to specify exactly which library it should come from and there is none of that silly XREF substitution that P99SE and older could get up to. I *love* the strict library management of DXP. Going back to the Just grab it from the first lib in the list that has the same footprint name just doesn't cut it for me. I want full control. The thing I find irritating, a bit, is that if I *fully* specify the source library when nominating the footprint, should I really need to have that library loaded in the Library panel? Surely it can go fetch. Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great but lost features
Ian, The buttons work, but the shortcut keys don't, they have used the same keys twice, as in ALT O, was All Off, now selects the Other Layers listooop's Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 01:58 PM 18/03/2004, edsi said: Here are few missing features in 2004 vs 99SE PCB Tonight's missing feature is: Option Layers, non of the short cut keys for ALLON ALLOFF work anymore. They are supposed to work but probably won't until service pack 2. So you have to click and pick each one with your freaking little mouse. They all work for me. I use these buttons all the time in both PCB and PCBLib. There is *no* way I would not have commented on this before if I had this problem. These are exactly the sort of productivity things (and dialog TAB orders) that really affect daily use. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
