Re: [PEDA] Autopan in PCB (99SE)
-Original Message- From: Terry Creer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 10:32 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Autopan in PCB (99SE) Hmmm, I think you had a bit more success than I, Tom. No go unfortunately. Strange, it didn't do it before on the ol' PII 350, now it seems to get carried away with the P4 1.6GHz. When it gets stuck, it even freezes the system temporarily. I wonder if the Altium chappies know about this. Altium is aware of this flaw in their software, and they have been aware of it for a very, very long time. Their idea of a repair is to periodically (at the user price of a software upgrade expenditure) increase a fixed divisor value to slow down the flawed panning routine originally devloped back in the late 1980's, but integrated into the Windows product to increase profit margins (reduce development costs). I've been waiting for this problem to rear its head again, as it confirms my suspicions regarding Protel/Altium's motivations for not actually fixing the problem. It's one more clever way for them to strong-arm users into upgrading the product. I wonder about Phoenix... aj * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Autopan in PCB (99SE)
Re: [PEDA] Autopan in PCB (99SE)
Yes this sounds like the problem I have with the autopan setting when using the Adaptive mode. Fiddling with the speed setting did not help. That's why I now use re-centre. Tom. -Original Message- From: Terry Creer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2002 4:21 PM To: Protel EDA Forum (E-mail) Subject: [PEDA] Autopan in PCB (99SE) Greetings all, When I am placing a track in PCB 99 SE, etc, etc, and the cursor hits the edge of the screen where there is a blank part of the board, the autopan goes completely spastic and starts scrolling uncontrollably in that direction. The mouse cursor appears stuck for a while, and eventually becomes unstuck if I continually move the mouse in the opposite direction. Has anyone else experienced this? I've tried every Autopan setting possible and the only things that work are if I turn it off altogether(annoying), or I set it to re-centre (very annoying). Thanks in advance, Terry Creer Electronic Design Technician Clipsal Integrated Systems Pty. Ltd. Phone: (08) 8269 0560 Fax: (08) 8346 0380 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The information contained in this email is intended only for the use of the person(s) to whom it is addressed and may be confidential or contain legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any perusal, use, distribution, copying or disclosure is strictly prohibited. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Autopan in PCB (99SE)
Be sure the active screen is maximized, too; at times it may appear to be maximized but is not. I've seem some unusual effects when the cursor reaches the edge of a non-maximized screen in PCB and SCH. Brian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Autopan in PCB (99SE)
Aah ha! That fixed it. Sort of. I've only just worked out how to maximise programs across two monitors (as well as enabling Maximise across both desktops I also have to hold down CNTRL whilst maximising a window. I used to restore a program window and stretch it to fill both monitors. Now that I have Protel maximised the annoying sticky scrolling behaviour only persists when the mouse is pushed past the top edge of the workspace. Left, right and down work well now, just not up, it's still a bit sticky. It's better than Re-centre though, thanks Brian. Tom. -Original Message- From: Brian Sherer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2002 12:16 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Autopan in PCB (99SE) Be sure the active screen is maximized, too; at times it may appear to be maximized but is not. I've seem some unusual effects when the cursor reaches the edge of a non-maximized screen in PCB and SCH. Brian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Autopan in PCB (99SE)
Re: [PEDA] Autopan in PCB (99SE)
On 12:01 PM 23/05/2002 +0930, Terry Creer said: Hmmm, I think you had a bit more success than I, Tom. No go unfortunately. Strange, it didn't do it before on the ol' PII 350, now it seems to get carried away with the P4 1.6GHz. When it gets stuck, it even freezes the system temporarily. I wonder if the Altium chappies know about this. There's nothing on the knowledge database Terry We have been on at them for years about broken auto-pan. They gave a sort-of fix with the panning options that are now provided - do you recall how seriously broken it used to be? Their fundamental method does not seem to scale well with increasing processor speed and faster graphics systems. They seem to have an on-going problem with realizing the mouse has been pulled back from the edge, and so panning on for longer than the user wanted. Then the user goes back and forth overshooting - classic transport lag oscillation. Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Autopan in PCB (99SE)
You mean the way Microsoft Excel behaves? Try talking to them for a fix -Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 9:13 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Autopan in PCB (99SE) On 12:01 PM 23/05/2002 +0930, Terry Creer said: Hmmm, I think you had a bit more success than I, Tom. No go unfortunately. Strange, it didn't do it before on the ol' PII 350, now it seems to get carried away with the P4 1.6GHz. When it gets stuck, it even freezes the system temporarily. I wonder if the Altium chappies know about this. There's nothing on the knowledge database Terry We have been on at them for years about broken auto-pan. They gave a sort-of fix with the panning options that are now provided - do you recall how seriously broken it used to be? Their fundamental method does not seem to scale well with increasing processor speed and faster graphics systems. They seem to have an on-going problem with realizing the mouse has been pulled back from the edge, and so panning on for longer than the user wanted. Then the user goes back and forth overshooting - classic transport lag oscillation. Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
