Re: [PEDA] footprint clearance checking
Sorry, I have not yet made the move to DXP. Keep in mind that my library components do not have keep-outs defined for any footprints. I've designed them so that Protel's clearance constraint rule ends up using the slik-screen traces as it's guide. So far, in my setup, P99se seems to ignore the component's name #, unless they are on another layer other than the silkscreen. A good method to use this technique to your advantage would be to make a second clearance rule related to silkscreen traces without modifying the current 20 mil default, making sure it deals only with the footprint's keepout layer. Be sure your U shaped component just has no keepout defined you should be able to get stuff inside the 'U'. To really squeeze things in, try the smd stuff in my library. _ Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Brad Velander To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] footprint clearance checking Brian, In 2004 or more recent DXP versions, did Altium ever fix the fact that the clearance check includes all reference designators and other attributes within the footprint boundary check? Such that if you had a long attribute string it made the footprint clearance check impossible. Sincerely, Brad Velander PCB Designer Xantrex Technology Inc. (direct) (604) 415-4054 (general) (604) 422-8595 ext. 4054 (fax) (604) 422-1591 -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 10, 2004 10:50 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] footprint clearance checking Design it like all of the components in my publicly available library, where the silkscreen defines the outer inner edges of where the component surfaces meet the PCB. Shrink the component-component clearance to 1 mil, or 0 mil. This will allow you place, for example, some caps resistors right up to under some areas of a large PCB mounted RCA jack, but, it will not allow you to place components too close where the silk screen area may touch each other. Note that my library was intentionally designed like this for creating hand-held electronic devices where mounting area may be super constrictive. _ Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] footprint clearance checking
On 01:10 PM 11/08/2004, Dom Bragge said: I have a connector that could be viewed as a large U when placed on the board. If I want to place other components within this U shape (not overlapping the physical connector but within the bounding box) what choices do I have: - permanently enjoying the 20+ clearance errors? (not preferred) - turning off clearance checking? (not preferred) - turning off clearance checking for that one connector whilst in that position (how?)? Dom, Have you got the component clearance check set to Full Check - Full Check does not just use the bounding box for DRC. In P2004 SP1 the Full Check mode now works with on-line DRC, not only batch DRC. Users asked for this capability not long before SP1 was released and it made it in which is nice. I assume you don't have any primitives outside the real boundary of the component, as this will stuff up Full Checks ability to slot components in corners. I regularly put 0603 and 0402 components in the corner of SOT-223 (next to the larger tab) - Full check mode works fine in this case. If you are trying to deliberately overlap components (their primitives overlap) there is a technique that is often discussed on the DXP forum: http://forums.altium.com/cgi-bin/showthread.asp?id=32063list=dxp is a link to the recent discussion - the link is not complete as there is a problem with archiving some emails. I have been asking Altium about this issue for some time now - it does tend to devalue the archive if you can't trust that all posts are archived. The missing follow-up was that the IsComponent part of the rule is not needed as only components can be in a component class. Also, the missing follow-up discussed using rooms (possibly polygonal) and component height rule(s) to control the height of components under the stood off components. Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] footprint clearance checking
I have a connector that could be viewed as a large U when placed on the board. If I want to place other components within this U shape (not overlapping the physical connector but within the bounding box) what choices do I have: - permanently enjoying the 20+ clearance errors? (not preferred) - turning off clearance checking? (not preferred) - turning off clearance checking for that one connector whilst in that position (how?)? ( P2004 ) = Dom Bragge CID Snr PCB Designer Sydney, Australia Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] footprint clearance checking
Design it like all of the components in my publicly available library, where the silkscreen defines the outer inner edges of where the component surfaces meet the PCB. Shrink the component-component clearance to 1 mil, or 0 mil. This will allow you place, for example, some caps resistors right up to under some areas of a large PCB mounted RCA jack, but, it will not allow you to place components too close where the silk screen area may touch each other. Note that my library was intentionally designed like this for creating hand-held electronic devices where mounting area may be super constrictive. _ Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Dom Bragge To: Protel EDA forum Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 11:10 PM Subject: [PEDA] footprint clearance checking I have a connector that could be viewed as a large U when placed on the board. If I want to place other components within this U shape (not overlapping the physical connector but within the bounding box) what choices do I have: - permanently enjoying the 20+ clearance errors? (not preferred) - turning off clearance checking? (not preferred) - turning off clearance checking for that one connector whilst in that position (how?)? ( P2004 ) = Dom Bragge CID Snr PCB Designer Sydney, Australia Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] footprint madness
I built an SOIC 8 a while ago and have used it successfully until today. When I load the PCB, this part comes up with '' on top of each row of pins in white - not a valid layer color in this design - 80 mil text. I can't select it, the library editor doesn't know it's there, and it doesn't show up on printouts. Loading a previous board which uses the same part exhibits the same problem, where it never did before. Placing a new component on a bare PCB from the library does the same thing, the 's aren't visible in the library, but do show up on the board, and scale/pan with the part etc. Any ideas? Bob Stephens PS I'm using 2004 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] footprint madness
Bob- Could this be the pad numbers or nets names being displayed (see Tools/Preferences dialog in the Display tab)? If not perhaps screen shot would help. I don't think you can attached files to this forum, but perhaps you can provide a link to a screen shot. JM At 01:36 PM 8/9/2004, you wrote: I built an SOIC 8 a while ago and have used it successfully until today. When I load the PCB, this part comes up with '' on top of each row of pins in white - not a valid layer color in this design - 80 mil text. I can't select it, the library editor doesn't know it's there, and it doesn't show up on printouts. Loading a previous board which uses the same part exhibits the same problem, where it never did before. Placing a new component on a bare PCB from the library does the same thing, the 's aren't visible in the library, but do show up on the board, and scale/pan with the part etc. Any ideas? Bob Stephens PS I'm using 2004 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] footprint
I have a DXP footprint that I need to modify. Its is DIODE SMC contained in Miscellaneous Devices.IntLib. The original part uses a 5 mil line for the outline on the silkscreen layer. My board house's Design for Manufacture test balks at this Wanting 7 mils or greater. I tried copying this part into my project library, increasing the line width, saving it as a new footprint, and reassigning the Footprint in the PCB editor. I got a unable to match parts to footprint error. Can anyone give me a clear path, or link to a tutorial or any other useful information on how to manipulate components in DXP? I have been using ProTel since 98 and I swear that every time I have tried to work with Protel's library editors I have taken a different unique path with new and wonderful inconsistencies, bugs and other disasters. I would love to discover a standard, reliable method for managing components. I'm dreaming, right? Any help greatly appreciated. Bob Stephens * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Footprint converter
Re: [PEDA] Footprint converter
Sound like a worthy ClientBasic script for me to build. Can anyone provide with the IPL specs? Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice (514) 624-4003 Fax (514) 624-3631 - Original Message - From: Peder K. Hellegaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 2:50 AM Subject: [PEDA] Footprint converter Hi verybody. Anyone who knows where to get a converter from IPL footprint types to Protel 99SE compatible ? I already tried RSI but they cannot provide it.. Peder * Tracking #: 5B197741C5C691449BE842792D7BA087776202CB * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] footprint for smd or through-hole oscillator
can I suggest that you make the schematic symbol with four pins, one for each of the four pads, number them one to four, and connect pin one and two, and three and four in the schematic editor. alternatively place pins one and two on top of each other, and three and four on top of each other. -Original Message- From: Kevin Knight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 27 May 2002 10:41 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] footprint for smd or through-hole oscillator You could try making the sm pad using a polygon fill or tracks next to each other. There would then be only on set of pads. This may work, but have never tried it. Kevin Knight Amino Communications Ltd. Longstanton House, Woodside, Longstanton, Cambs, CB4 5BU, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1954 784500 Tel: +44 (0)1954 784504 (direct) Fax: +44 (0)1954 784501 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bernhard Koss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 25 May 2002 09:05 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] footprint for smd or through-hole oscillator i am trying to make an footprint for an smd-oscillator. but if this smd-device isn't available i want to use a through-hole part. so i made a footprint in my pcb-library which works for both parts. i assigned the same pinnumber to 2 different pads and connected them with a wire. this causes different drc-errors and makes complete autorouting impossible because i can't assign a net to the wire bewtwen my 2 pads. anybody had that problem before or a good idea? kind regards bernhard * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] footprint for smd or through-hole oscillator
i am trying to make an footprint for an smd-oscillator. but if this smd-device isn't available i want to use a through-hole part. so i made a footprint in my pcb-library which works for both parts. i assigned the same pinnumber to 2 different pads and connected them with a wire. this causes different drc-errors and makes complete autorouting impossible because i can't assign a net to the wire bewtwen my 2 pads. anybody had that problem before or a good idea? kind regards bernhard * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] footprint for smd or through-hole oscillator
all the time put two schem symbols on top of each other and put 2 separate pcb footprints on top of each other you can also assign a net to a component trace by using the update primitives function in the netlist manager Dennis Saputelli Bernhard Koss wrote: i am trying to make an footprint for an smd-oscillator. but if this smd-device isn't available i want to use a through-hole part. so i made a footprint in my pcb-library which works for both parts. i assigned the same pinnumber to 2 different pads and connected them with a wire. this causes different drc-errors and makes complete autorouting impossible because i can't assign a net to the wire bewtwen my 2 pads. anybody had that problem before or a good idea? kind regards bernhard -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] footprint for smd or through-hole oscillator
Bernhard, after loading your netlist (or running the Update PCB utility) then you want to go to the Netlist Manager. In the netlist manager open the menu in the lower left corner and use the Update Free Primitives From Component Pads. This will assign the correct net to all no net primitives which make contact with a netlisted pad. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com Visit us at Booth 2G2-09 at CommunicAsia 2002 in Singapore June 18-21. -Original Message- From: Bernhard Koss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 1:05 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] footprint for smd or through-hole oscillator i am trying to make an footprint for an smd-oscillator. but if this smd-device isn't available i want to use a through-hole part. so i made a footprint in my pcb-library which works for both parts. i assigned the same pinnumber to 2 different pads and connected them with a wire. this causes different drc-errors and makes complete autorouting impossible because i can't assign a net to the wire bewtwen my 2 pads. anybody had that problem before or a good idea? kind regards bernhard * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] footprint for smd or through-hole oscillator
Hello Bernhard, Saturday, May 25, 2002, 1:04:40 AM, you wrote: i am trying to make an footprint for an smd-oscillator. but if this smd-device isn't available i want to use a through-hole part. so i made a footprint in my pcb-library which works for both parts. i assigned the same pinnumber to 2 different pads and connected them with a wire. this causes different drc-errors and makes complete autorouting impossible because i can't assign a net to the wire bewtwen my 2 pads. anybody had that problem before or a good idea? kind regards bernhard The simplest, safest solution is to show two oscillators on the schematic, one with the smd footprint, and one with the through-hole footprint (and a note indicating that only one will be installed!). -- Peter Bennett, VE7CEIVancouver, B.C., Canada GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver-webpages.com/van-ps * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] footprint for smd or through-hole oscillator
[PEDA] Footprint for Hirose Connectors
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Re: [PEDA] Footprint for Hirose Connectors
I have made a 20 pin version that I have used successfully. You can scale it easily. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:33 AM To: proteledaforum Subject: [PEDA] Footprint for Hirose Connectors I am looking for a source (library?) for the footprint of a Hirose surface mount connector (FH10A-16S-1SH). I will be designing many boards with small surface mount connectors on them, will I need to make my own library of footprints for them? thanks for any help, mike Posted from Association web site by: Mike Leachman * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.
At 06:05 PM 4/1/2002 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote: Harmless unless you actually have unlocked the component - and then the classic missing pad can be generated. Select a net (or connected copper), which includes components with unlocked primitives. Delete the selection and away go the pads. This is a problem and it would be nice if Protel gave a warning that component entities were about to be deleted/moved by this action. Yes. Absent such a warning, we should be vigilant whenever unlocking component primitives that they are relocked immediately when it is no longer necessary to have them unlocked. (Major purpose for unlocking primitives: to modify a silkscreen outline, for example to be able to read designator text which overlaps the outline; this is one way to get tighter legends with SMT parts.) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.
On 09:05 PM 28/03/2002 -0500, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said: At 05:40 PM 3/28/2002 -0800, JaMi Smith wrote: I guess the real question is will Protel allow you to SELECT a single PAD of a COMPONENT with LOCKED PRIMITIVES by any other process, or at any other time when the operator may be unaware of it. Yes, it can be done, and it seems to be pretty harmless. One way is to press the Select button for a net in the panel. It will select all primitives belonging to that net, including pads. Harmless unless you actually have unlocked the component - and then the classic missing pad can be generated. Select a net (or connected copper), which includes components with unlocked primitives. Delete the selection and away go the pads. This is a problem and it would be nice if Protel gave a warning that component entities were about to be deleted/moved by this action. Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.
On 09:59 PM 29/03/2002 -0800, Dennis Saputelli said: all i can say is that the pad jumped all by itself, i am quite sure. i believe it happened after a save as brad has seen it, i have seen it, it will happen again ... Dennis Saputelli Brad and Dennis, I think it is a bug. It sounds serious to me. I have also seen a number of circumstances where the only method we could find a fixing something odd was to reload the component(s) from the library - not a pad movement in our case but component(s) that will not get properly updated during a synch. There is clearly the possibility for corruption, possibly subtle but corruption nonetheless, of the components in the database. This should concern us all. Can the files be sent to Protel? Though this may not be useful if the sequence of operations is important. As a group we could try a tactic of regularly and collectively requesting progress on this issue. This would allow us to vote in some fashion about what issues are bothering us most. I know that tech support may not appreciate this suggestion but I think it would be an experiment worth trying. ATS is supposed to give us significantly improved response to such issues, so far I have not noticed a huge change. If anything we see that the Protel CSC, who used to post on this forum with active suggestions and solutions, now only posts announcements, not really the sort of pro-active activity I would expect for a very high (at this stage way too high) maintenance tax (ATS). Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.
On 04:50 PM 28/03/2002 -0800, JaMi Smith said: Jon Yes, you are absolutely right, it is scary, but on a 6 layer board with some areas needing 50 ohm controlled impedance on both sides of the board for some 2.7 GHz Optical / RF stuff, and the rest of the board being primarily analog using small SO-8 or SOT-23-5 Amplifiers with tons of 0402 discretes packed in with 20 mil clearance part to part, on both sides of the board, and my silkscreen reduced to 25 mil x 5 mil, there sometimes just isn't room to place the cursor in the center of a component when there are several traces and also some reference designators in the way. I generally try to sneak in under the edge of a reference designator on the top layer to get at a component pad on the bottom layer, or to at least get a selection box from which I can choose what I want to select. Jami, You can restrict actions to certain entity types - so if you are moving designators you can set up a Move-String command (see the Move Process reference) - this dramatically helps in dense designs. The same is possible with pads, components, tracks etc. So if you are doing a lot of stuff on the same entity type setting up (or using the default commands) that restrict actions to specific entity types is often useful. As a check, I just tried to see if I could get a component primitive to move with the PCB:MoveObject|Object=Pad process and parameter. No go, the pad stayed fixed to the component. The only method I knew of moving a pad of a component with locked primitives is to edit the pads XY coords. Now I know another - some strange sequence of operations may cause it when moving/rotating a selection - at least that is what is seeming likely to me from Brad and Dennis's reports. Bye for now, Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.
Ian Thanks, I think a Select-Component process would be helpful, as this is usually where I happen to want to select a component (sometimes for a move, but not always) on one side of the board with a ref des right on top of it on the other side of the board. Protel seems to always select the ref des as opposed to giving you a choice box or the component. I am not sure if this related to the layer drawing sequence or not, but I always seem to have bottom layer silkscreen display on the top of top layer components. Respecting your last paragraph, and the strange sequence, I would concur, and I wonder if one of those strange sequences could not be after terminating early some process such as a design rules check, analyzing GND, redraw of a polygon, etc.. Something tells me that during or after some abnormal sequence or termination that the move-pad or drag-pad is allowed to function where it otherwise would not be allowed. JaMi Smith * * * -Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 12:29 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes. . . . Jami, You can restrict actions to certain entity types - so if you are moving designators you can set up a Move-String command (see the Move Process reference) - this dramatically helps in dense designs. The same is possible with pads, components, tracks etc. So if you are doing a lot of stuff on the same entity type setting up (or using the default commands) that restrict actions to specific entity types is often useful. As a check, I just tried to see if I could get a component primitive to move with the PCB:MoveObject|Object=Pad process and parameter. No go, the pad stayed fixed to the component. The only method I knew of moving a pad of a component with locked primitives is to edit the pads XY coords. Now I know another - some strange sequence of operations may cause it when moving/rotating a selection - at least that is what is seeming likely to me from Brad and Dennis's reports. Bye for now, Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.
it took about half an hour to find but i had saved the problem file it did chunk down to a fragment and still shows the pad jump i don't know what it proves because there are means by which i could have moved the pad (except that i didn't) my recollection of editing the xy and having it jump back cannot be reproduced (at least on a quick try) see J11 pin 3 i tried to upload the file to the yahoo group, it is tiny, but it wouldn't go gave up and emailed it to Abd and Brad Dennis Saputelli Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 06:23 PM 3/28/2002 -0800, Dennis Saputelli wrote: i can assure you that our 'jumped' pad was in the cosmic ray category and sounds just like brad's [...]i think it kept jumping until i replaced the footprint What we would hope for, in a case like this, is that the file is saved as-is instead of merely being fixed. If the problem still exists when the file is reloaded, then we have a hope of identifying the bug. (Save Copy As will make a copy without making the copy the current file being edited. The copy can then be renamed descriptively, like PadJumpBug. If there are concerns about IP, it may be possible, and would be helpful, if the file is chopped down, as long as the problem behavior remains in the boiled down file. Almost certainly, simply deleting all type [comment) information and any reference to the company owning the file would make the file useless to a competitor.) -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.
At 10:23 AM 3/29/2002 -0800, Dennis Saputelli wrote: it took about half an hour to find but i had saved the problem file it did chunk down to a fragment and still shows the pad jump i don't know what it proves because there are means by which i could have moved the pad (except that i didn't) This is not what I meant, sorry for the trouble Mr. Saputelli experienced finding this. I meant that if one could reproduce the problem, it would be useful to save the file (plus, I should have mentioned, a description of what it takes to get the pad to jump). Without that, without some way of demonstrating pad jump, a file with a moved pad is likely to be pretty uninteresting. As Mr. Saputelli knows, there are many ways to produce such an effect without involving a bug. He could have accidentally edited a pad location. He could have accidentally unlocked the component and thus cursor movement might move a pad. And, unlikely as it is, a computer glitch could produce such an effect. Most of us, it appears, have never seen such movement in spite of a lot of work with Protel PCB files. So, if there is a bug, it bites very, very rarely. Such bugs can be *extremely* difficult to find. I have suggested that Protel incorporate into the program a tool that records all editing activity. Such a tool, if it was operating when pad movement occurred (or any other obscure bug), would have a reasonable possibility of reproducing the bug conditions. But we don't have the tool, unless it is through some third-party utility that monitors and records all keyboard and mouse activity, plus file backup, with a facility for playing it back later. I think an animal exists, but I haven't seen it personally. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.
Hi all, why do I usually get these weird ones? One of our engineers just came to me with an alignment issue for a couple pads within a footprint on a test pcb. Sure enough two pads within the 8 pad device are visibly shifted on the board. Checked the PCB file and the pads are shifted. Checked the library and the part is correct. Better then all of this so far, the test board involved actually had this section of circuitry copied from the main board after the main board was completed, the main board does not have the problem. Here is the events that led to this problem. I designed the main (full) pcb, everything is correct. I selected a subsection of the circuit and copied it to make a small test board. When I pasted this subsection into the test board I moved, rotated the selection to fit within the test board outline. Then I edited some component locations and attached pertinent traces. I did not, read never, unlock the primitives of the problem footprint. The result, I have a footprint where three pads are visibly shifted from their original locations within the footprint. It is a 8 pin ceramic package with a pinout similar to the number pattern below. The device is centered over an origin of 0,0 in the footprint library. The first pattern I show is as it should be, the second pattern is how it turned out, note 2 and 6 pads are shifted alternately left and right, pad three was also shifted vertically downwards slightly towards the center of the device. 1 2 3 1 2 3 80,04 8 0,0 4 7 6 5 76 5 Has anybody ever seen this problem? Any ideas on it's cause? How would you check for it in the future, without checking every single footprint? Remember, the original board this was copied from is fine, I didn't unlock the primitives of the component after copying it. All I did was paste, rotate, move the copied selection. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com See us at Booth S8155 at NAB 2002 in Las Vegas April 8 - 11. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.
i've seen this problem, it happens when you double click a pad and change its location (not the component itself) it doesnt matter if the component has locked prims, which to me is a little naughty, If i recall correctly it didnt even warn me. 99SP6. Bye Rich -Original Message- From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 28 March 2002 18:48 To: Protel EDA Forum List Server (E-mail) Subject: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes. Hi all, why do I usually get these weird ones? One of our engineers just came to me with an alignment issue for a couple pads within a footprint on a test pcb. Sure enough two pads within the 8 pad device are visibly shifted on the board. Checked the PCB file and the pads are shifted. Checked the library and the part is correct. Better then all of this so far, the test board involved actually had this section of circuitry copied from the main board after the main board was completed, the main board does not have the problem. Here is the events that led to this problem. I designed the main (full) pcb, everything is correct. I selected a subsection of the circuit and copied it to make a small test board. When I pasted this subsection into the test board I moved, rotated the selection to fit within the test board outline. Then I edited some component locations and attached pertinent traces. I did not, read never, unlock the primitives of the problem footprint. The result, I have a footprint where three pads are visibly shifted from their original locations within the footprint. It is a 8 pin ceramic package with a pinout similar to the number pattern below. The device is centered over an origin of 0,0 in the footprint library. The first pattern I show is as it should be, the second pattern is how it turned out, note 2 and 6 pads are shifted alternately left and right, pad three was also shifted vertically downwards slightly towards the center of the device. 1 2 3 1 2 3 80,04 8 0,0 4 7 6 5 76 5 Has anybody ever seen this problem? Any ideas on it's cause? How would you check for it in the future, without checking every single footprint? Remember, the original board this was copied from is fine, I didn't unlock the primitives of the component after copying it. All I did was paste, rotate, move the copied selection. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com See us at Booth S8155 at NAB 2002 in Las Vegas April 8 - 11. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.
Hi Brad, I have never seen this problem before, however is it possible that the part was created using metric units? Perhaps, and this is a stretch, that this may have arisen from a glitch in the calculation when using imperial ( I'm assuming you work in imperial units) units on the pcb and in copying and rotating the component? I may just be grasping at air here, but I'd be curious to know if the metric/imperial conversion played any part. Cheers, GE Energy Services __ Lloyd Good Development Digitization Substation Automation Solutions General Electric Canada, Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place N.E., Calgary, Alberta T1Y 7J7 CANADA Tel: 403.214.4777, Dialcomm: 8.498.4777, Fax: 403.287.7946 Website: www.gepower.com/geharrisenergy/ NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail is privileged, confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (collect) at (1) 403.214.4400 and destroy this e-mail as well as any copy. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 11:48 AM To: Protel EDA Forum List Server (E-mail) Subject: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes. Hi all, why do I usually get these weird ones? One of our engineers just came to me with an alignment issue for a couple pads within a footprint on a test pcb. Sure enough two pads within the 8 pad device are visibly shifted on the board. Checked the PCB file and the pads are shifted. Checked the library and the part is correct. Better then all of this so far, the test board involved actually had this section of circuitry copied from the main board after the main board was completed, the main board does not have the problem. Here is the events that led to this problem. I designed the main (full) pcb, everything is correct. I selected a subsection of the circuit and copied it to make a small test board. When I pasted this subsection into the test board I moved, rotated the selection to fit within the test board outline. Then I edited some component locations and attached pertinent traces. I did not, read never, unlock the primitives of the problem footprint. The result, I have a footprint where three pads are visibly shifted from their original locations within the footprint. It is a 8 pin ceramic package with a pinout similar to the number pattern below. The device is centered over an origin of 0,0 in the footprint library. The first pattern I show is as it should be, the second pattern is how it turned out, note 2 and 6 pads are shifted alternately left and right, pad three was also shifted vertically downwards slightly towards the center of the device. 1 2 3 1 2 3 80,04 8 0,0 4 7 6 5 76 5 Has anybody ever seen this problem? Any ideas on it's cause? How would you check for it in the future, without checking every single footprint? Remember, the original board this was copied from is fine, I didn't unlock the primitives of the component after copying it. All I did was paste, rotate, move the copied selection. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com See us at Booth S8155 at NAB 2002 in Las Vegas April 8 - 11. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.
Rich, Lloyd, while both of your premises have merit they do not cover this case. The parts were designed using English units and are used in a DDB with English units. As for editing individual pad locations, didn't happen, never edited anything within that footprint or any of the others after copying the segment from the master PCB file. There is a slightly similar issue that I have seen before while copying/rotating selections but even it wouldn't cause this type of problem. When moving a selection (one part or group of parts and tracks) if I rotate that selection (usually small 5 deg. increments) the actual selection point where my cursor is holding the selection can shift. I have seen the cursor point move 100 mils or slightly more while rotating a selection. I have been thinking that there may be some form of correlation between these types of events. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com See us at Booth S8155 at NAB 2002 in Las Vegas April 8 - 11. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 11:24 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes. Hi Brad, I have never seen this problem before, however is it possible that the part was created using metric units? Perhaps, and this is a stretch, that this may have arisen from a glitch in the calculation when using imperial ( I'm assuming you work in imperial units) units on the pcb and in copying and rotating the component? I may just be grasping at air here, but I'd be curious to know if the metric/imperial conversion played any part. Cheers, GE Energy Services __ Lloyd Good Development Digitization Substation Automation Solutions General Electric Canada, Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place N.E., Calgary, Alberta T1Y 7J7 CANADA Tel: 403.214.4777, Dialcomm: 8.498.4777, Fax: 403.287.7946 Website: www.gepower.com/geharrisenergy/ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.
Brad, Yes, and it can be quite common if you are not careful. Sometimes I will select a PAD and think I have a COMPONENT, and the result is that I will move that PAD independent of the COMPONENT, either by dragging it or changing its location in a dialogue box, irrespective of primitives being locked or not. Whenever I think that I may have moved a PAD, I always go back to the library and update the COMPONENT to make sure everything is back in the right place. While I cannot list all of the various modes in which it is possible to select a PAD when you think you are selecting something else, this usually has happened to me when I am doing things very quickly, and while I am not aware just what all of the rules involved are and therefore can't say exactly what I did to select a PAD as opposed to a whole COMPONENT, I realize that the pad has moved without understanding how I selected it. I know that different rules apply in different modes. For example: If I have an IC in a dense layout with tracks underneath it on several layers, and I try to select a pad by holding down the left mouse button, I will usually see a box offering either the COMPONENT itself or several tracks or other objects that are underneath the PAD I am attempting to select, but it will not contain the PAD itself. However if I double click on the same PAD, that box will have the PAD listed in it and will allow me to select the PAD and open a Dialogue on it, where, among other things, I can change its location. I know that several times when I have wanted to move a COMPONENT a precise distance, say 5 mils in the +X direction, I have quickly selected the COMPONENT, changed the X coordinate value, and then closed the dialogue box only to find out that I had selected and moved only a PAD of the COMPONENT rather than the COMPONENT itself. Is it possible that this could have happened to you? JaMi Smith -Original Message- From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 10:48 AM To: Protel EDA Forum List Server (E-mail) Subject: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes. Hi all, why do I usually get these weird ones? One of our engineers just came to me with an alignment issue for a couple pads within a footprint on a test pcb. Sure enough two pads within the 8 pad device are visibly shifted on the board. Checked the PCB file and the pads are shifted. Checked the library and the part is correct. Better then all of this so far, the test board involved actually had this section of circuitry copied from the main board after the main board was completed, the main board does not have the problem. Here is the events that led to this problem. I designed the main (full) pcb, everything is correct. I selected a subsection of the circuit and copied it to make a small test board. When I pasted this subsection into the test board I moved, rotated the selection to fit within the test board outline. Then I edited some component locations and attached pertinent traces. I did not, read never, unlock the primitives of the problem footprint. The result, I have a footprint where three pads are visibly shifted from their original locations within the footprint. It is a 8 pin ceramic package with a pinout similar to the number pattern below. The device is centered over an origin of 0,0 in the footprint library. The first pattern I show is as it should be, the second pattern is how it turned out, note 2 and 6 pads are shifted alternately left and right, pad three was also shifted vertically downwards slightly towards the center of the device. 1 2 3 1 2 3 80,04 8 0,0 4 7 6 5 76 5 Has anybody ever seen this problem? Any ideas on it's cause? How would you check for it in the future, without checking every single footprint? Remember, the original board this was copied from is fine, I didn't unlock the primitives of the component after copying it. All I did was paste, rotate, move the copied selection. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com See us at Booth S8155 at NAB 2002 in Las Vegas April 8 - 11. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.
Jami, thanks for the suggestion. I thought reading your early description that you may be talking about clicking and dragging the pad, tried to do that but nothing would let me drag the pad, got the component everytime. So I assume that you were talking about editing the component dialog for the X Y coordinates but actually editing the pad dialog. I didn't actually edit any components after the copy, all the correct information was in all the parts fields from the original full PCB design, so I needed to do no editing in the test board. I did drag a few parts to new locations and then reconnect the traces, but not the effected part. Besides which I would have had to do this on three separate occasions because the three footprint pads are all offset in three different directions, I think that significantly reduces the fact that I am just not remembering one time. Similarly At times I have misselected items only to realize that the item I had wanted to move, didn't move. I usually just immediately click the undo command. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com See us at Booth S8155 at NAB 2002 in Las Vegas April 8 - 11. -Original Message- From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 12:03 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes. Brad, Yes, and it can be quite common if you are not careful. SNIP I know that several times when I have wanted to move a COMPONENT a precise distance, say 5 mils in the +X direction, I have quickly selected the COMPONENT, changed the X coordinate value, and then closed the dialogue box only to find out that I had selected and moved only a PAD of the COMPONENT rather than the COMPONENT itself. Is it possible that this could have happened to you? JaMi Smith * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.
we had a pad jump once all by itself (just like brad) it was none of these things mentioned i think i posted it here about 6 months ago if we hadn't spotted it it would have hosed a project never happened before or since but it is a bit scary Dennis Saputelli Brad Velander wrote: Jami, thanks for the suggestion. I thought reading your early description that you may be talking about clicking and dragging the pad, tried to do that but nothing would let me drag the pad, got the component everytime. So I assume that you were talking about editing the component dialog for the X Y coordinates but actually editing the pad dialog. I didn't actually edit any components after the copy, all the correct information was in all the parts fields from the original full PCB design, so I needed to do no editing in the test board. I did drag a few parts to new locations and then reconnect the traces, but not the effected part. Besides which I would have had to do this on three separate occasions because the three footprint pads are all offset in three different directions, I think that significantly reduces the fact that I am just not remembering one time. Similarly At times I have misselected items only to realize that the item I had wanted to move, didn't move. I usually just immediately click the undo command. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com See us at Booth S8155 at NAB 2002 in Las Vegas April 8 - 11. -Original Message- From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 12:03 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes. Brad, Yes, and it can be quite common if you are not careful. SNIP I know that several times when I have wanted to move a COMPONENT a precise distance, say 5 mils in the +X direction, I have quickly selected the COMPONENT, changed the X coordinate value, and then closed the dialogue box only to find out that I had selected and moved only a PAD of the COMPONENT rather than the COMPONENT itself. Is it possible that this could have happened to you? JaMi Smith -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.
JaMi Smith wrote: Brad, Yes, and it can be quite common if you are not careful. Sometimes I will select a PAD and think I have a COMPONENT, and the result is that I will move that PAD independent of the COMPONENT, either by dragging it or changing its location in a dialogue box, irrespective of primitives being locked or not. This is scary. I generally click in the center of the component, as I usually do NOT want to edit the pad, but the component. But, sometimes, especially when there is netlist trouble, I click on the pad to see the net name more clearly than the way it is drawn over the pad. Scary to think you can move the pad with a bobble on the mouse button! Jon * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.
Brad Velander wrote: Rich, Lloyd, while both of your premises have merit they do not cover this case. The parts were designed using English units and are used in a DDB with English units. As for editing individual pad locations, didn't happen, never edited anything within that footprint or any of the others after copying the segment from the master PCB file. Yes, I have a number of metric pitch connectors and QFP chips, and the rest of my boards are imperial, and I've never had any strange problems like roundoff within Protel. When generating the Gerber files, you have to be sure you allow enough least significant digits to prevent that sort of problem when the films are plotted. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.
Jon, I don't think that this is what anybody has said thus far. I think that their comments have been that they were trying to edit component properties. While double clicking the component they actually got the pad properties dialog and never realized the difference until after changing the coordinates. That was my understanding anyway. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com See us at Booth S8155 at NAB 2002 in Las Vegas April 8 - 11. -Original Message- From: Jon Elson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 3:50 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes. This is scary. I generally click in the center of the component, as I usually do NOT want to edit the pad, but the component. But, sometimes, especially when there is netlist trouble, I click on the pad to see the net name more clearly than the way it is drawn over the pad. Scary to think you can move the pad with a bobble on the mouse button! Jon * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.
Abdul wrote: You might also move a footprint pad by, for example, having selected the pad and having left it selected, doing a global edit on a free pad and altering the X or Y coordinate, *and* changing the scope to all primitives from free primitives. I haven't verified this; once again, this would not be easy to do accidentally, particularly if one is careful about global edits, as one should *always* be. Pay attention to the count of changes reported before okaying it!!! I have thought of this scenario, especially since the original post implied that this could have happened in a MOVE or ROTATE, but the real question is how do you select a PAD that has not been Freed from its COMPONENT, or as in your example, leave it selected. The only way I can think of to select a pad is to double click on it, and that opens a dialog box. Now once the dialogue box is open you can CHECK the box next to the word SELECTION, and that will leave the pad selected when the dialogue box is closed, and then the scenario you describe could happen, but that is a deliberate action that one would remember. I guess the real question is will Protel allow you to SELECT a single PAD of a COMPONENT with LOCKED PRIMITIVES by any other process, or at any other time when the operator may be unaware of it. JaMi Smith * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.
no you can't drag a locked primitive pad as far as i know i think what brad and i have seen is a genuine bug which is the pad location data somehow getting scrambled re the issue of editing a pad when you intend to edit a component (also re the click action often acting on some primitive that you do not intend): my solution is to add hot keys which specifically invoke the old object type specific action: Move Pad, Move Component, Edit Pad, Edit Component, etc i used the Shift key to separate the M E keys etc. from the 'normal' usage so the sequence is SHIFT-E (edit) C component, etc. this gets rid of the touchy feely thing and has pretty much solved this issue for me (this, however, has nothing to do with the bug brad and i have seen) jami, re your 25 mil hi silkscreen do the fab shops complain? can you actually read it or does it all glob together? when it is that tight and when they can't be charted off to the side somewhere we usually move them to another non fab layer and move them right on top of the pads and present those on paper or PDF of course the pick and place machine doesn't care Dennis Saputelli Brad Velander wrote: After re-reading some of the previous messages again, it seems that some people may be trying to suggest that clicking and dragging a component pad is possible on a component within a PCB (not a library). Does anybody want to expound on this? I have tried to do this 50+ times and I cannot accomplish this feat. All I get is an option to select primitives in the general area or the component itself, never once had the option of dragging a component pad! Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com See us at Booth S8155 at NAB 2002 in Las Vegas April 8 - 11. -Original Message- From: Jon Elson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 3:50 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes. This is scary. I generally click in the center of the component, as I usually do NOT want to edit the pad, but the component. But, sometimes, especially when there is netlist trouble, I click on the pad to see the net name more clearly than the way it is drawn over the pad. Scary to think you can move the pad with a bobble on the mouse button! Jon -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] footprint for key-finger/keypad
Re: [PEDA] footprint for key-finger/keypad
You need to make use of the mechanical information to create a footprint if one is not already available. Kevin Knight Amino Communications Ltd. Longstanton House, Woodside, Longstanton, Cambs, CB4 5BU, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1954 784500 Tel: +44 (0)1954 784504 (direct) Fax: +44 (0)1954 784501 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Adeline Ko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 20 March 2002 12:30 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] footprint for key-finger/keypad Hi, I'm going to start a layout with key-pad but I can't find any recommend footprint for it? Any advice or help on this? Thanks! Ciao... Adeline * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] footprint for key-finger/keypad
Adeline, I have done a good deal of keyboards. You'll need to know if these keypads will be gold plated or carbon ink. The widths and types of patterns can depend on this. They tend to need wider traces when carbon ink. The carbon ink has been widely used for me, it is plenty durable and cheaper than gold. It's been about 2 years since I've done one, but I don't think the technology has progressed so much that my patterns are un-acceptable. Maybe you'll get more advise on this forum, but if not you can contact me off line if you'd like me to send you them. Bob Jones Digitized Technologies 2 Summit Road P.O.Box 7284 Prospect, CT. 06712-1541 Tel: 203-758-6312 Fax: 203-758-3338 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Notice: This message is intended solely for the person to whom it is addressed. Unintended recipients will be legally responsible for unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or distribution. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message. Then delete this message from your system. Thank you. - Original Message - From: Adeline Ko [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 7:29 AM Subject: [PEDA] footprint for key-finger/keypad Hi, I'm going to start a layout with key-pad but I can't find any recommend footprint for it? Any advice or help on this? Thanks! Ciao... Adeline * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] footprint for key-finger/keypad
There are several technologies used for keypads; among them are snap-domes (metal domes with 3 tabs that enter plated holes, and a bump that contacts a center pcb pad); elastomeric (an insulating plastic sheet with round conductive rubber pads that contact matching conductive grids located on the PCB below each rubber pad); and keypad assemblies (which have the contacts buried between plastic layers of a flexible film, with connector tails for row and column). Or the whole thing may come pre-assembled in a keypad module, with pins like any other component. The layout varies widely for the different types, so it's best to get the preferred PCB layout from the manufacturer for the exact part number or family you'll be using. Be sure to bet their recommendation for contact plating, often specified as gold. If it's to be gold (or other) plating, you'll have to do a drawing showing the area to be plated, as the fabricator will need to mask off all unplated areas. Brian Foothill Services LLC At 08:29 PM 3/20/02 +0800, you wrote: Hi, I'm going to start a layout with key-pad but I can't find any recommend footprint for it? Any advice or help on this? Thanks! Ciao... Adeline * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] footprint trouble
dwight said: Have you checked the library list in PCB? Double-check footprint spelling? -Original Message- From: Robison Michael R CNIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 7:43 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: [PEDA] footprint trouble hmm... i'll have to think that over and check it out. but a pcb was generated from the schematic successfully at least one time, because the pcb has the footprints on it. and since the job was passed to me, i've done no editting of any of the components or the footprints. and on the pcb, i see the connector's footprint there, and when i d-click the connector the attributes shows the connector's footprint, BUT when i make a library from the pcb, the connector's footprint isn't there. so i still haven't a clue as to what could be causing that problem. thanks, miker * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] footprint trouble
hello, i'm finishing up a pcb that somebody else started. i've added two resistors to the schematic and when i go to update the pcb, i don't get any errors but under warnings it says that i'm missing two footprints. the components that use those footprints look fine on the pcb, and the footprints of the supposedly missing components are listed in the pcb under the particular components attributes. YET, when i make a footprint library from the pcb, things get more confusing. one of the missing footprints is there in the newly created footprint library. the other one isn't. does anybody have any idea what i'm doing wrong here? since the actual pcb looks fine, can i ignore the warnings? i hate to do that. i'd rather understand and fix the problem. why isn't the make library making one of the component footprints, which it obviously understands because the component is successfully laid on the pcb. why is the update pcb ignoring the one footprint that IS in the library that i've made from the pcb? thank you, miker * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] footprint trouble
Have you checked the library list in PCB? Double-check footprint spelling? -Original Message- From: Robison Michael R CNIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 7:43 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: [PEDA] footprint trouble hello, i'm finishing up a pcb that somebody else started. i've added two resistors to the schematic and when i go to update the pcb, i don't get any errors but under warnings it says that i'm missing two footprints. the components that use those footprints look fine on the pcb, and the footprints of the supposedly missing components are listed in the pcb under the particular components attributes. YET, when i make a footprint library from the pcb, things get more confusing. one of the missing footprints is there in the newly created footprint library. the other one isn't. does anybody have any idea what i'm doing wrong here? since the actual pcb looks fine, can i ignore the warnings? i hate to do that. i'd rather understand and fix the problem. why isn't the make library making one of the component footprints, which it obviously understands because the component is successfully laid on the pcb. why is the update pcb ignoring the one footprint that IS in the library that i've made from the pcb? thank you, miker * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] footprint update problem
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Re: [PEDA] footprint update problem
Ken, your problem is not in anything that you have done with generating your new footprint, nor trying to update the PCB. The problem results commonly if you have a different number of pads/pins within the two PCB footprints. The error message indicates that there is a differing number of pads/pins in the two footprints. This is an issue that I have had with a number of CAD packages. My Comment is, ...so what! I want to change the footprint, thanks for the warning, now do it. Your only work-around that I am aware of is: delete the old footprint from the PCB database, save the PCB database, run your update utility from the schematic. Then it should stick in the new part. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com See us at Booth S8155 at NAB 2002 in Las Vegas April 8 - 11. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 5:49 AM To: proteledaforum Subject: [PEDA] footprint update problem Greetings, I am having difficulty getting a footprint change to take place in the PCB. I have copied, renamed and edited and saved a footprint in the PCB library. I then edited my schematic symbol in the schematic library to use the edited and re-named footprint, saved, pressed Update Schematics and did a Save All on the main file pulldown menu. When I run the Update PCB process, I get an error that says: Macro 1: Component Footprint Change Update component JDB1 footprint AMP_MICTOR38 to AMP_MICTOR38_NO_SH Error: New footprint AMP_MICTOR38_NO_SH not matching old footprint AMP_MICTOR38 After this, I went back to the schematic and re-placed the instance of the symbol by-hand, re-ran ERC/Netlist/Update PCB only to get the same result. Is there nothing I can do to avoid deleting the placed PCB component and re-placing it on the board? Ken Pelic Avistar Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted from Association web site by: Ken Pelic * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Footprint for either surface mount or through hole
[PEDA] Footprint field on sch (was: On the SCH but not the PCB)
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: -If the footprint assigned to the part is one which does not exist in any -library, such as DO_NOT_USE, then no part will be created in the PCB, and -any nodes for that footprint will be ignored. You will get a macro error -telling you that footprint DO_NOT_USE was not found, which you will -immediately recognize as intentional - -You can thus control which of the three resistors is used by controlling -footprint assignment. I would display the footprint fields, I think you can -do that, on the schematic. My question is - How do you display the footprint fields on the schematic? Wayne Trow PCB Design Technician Gallagher Group LTD Hamilton NEW ZEALAND [p] +64 7 838 9800 ext 8737 [f] +64 7 838 9801 [e] [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Footprint 215
Hi! I used a Protel Footprint SOT-89 (I call it 215 from IPC-SM-782) which gives me DRC errors. The problem is pin 2 has a rectangular pad with a bunch of fills and tracks added to make a big tab. The fills and tracks do not pick up the net name when the netlist is loaded giving many DRC errors. How can I get the tab to be part of the net? Clicking on the individual tracks and fills works but is a pain and the net information goes away at some point, possibly on load netlist. I have lived with the DRC errors but it is annoying. Jeff Adolphs Lake Shore Cryotronics, Inc. Westerville, Ohio * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Footprint 215
Jeff, Try: Design/Netlist Manager/Menu/Update Free Primitives From Component Pads. Tim -Original Message- From: Jeff Adolphs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 2:52 PM To: Protel EDA Forum (E-mail) Subject: [PEDA] Footprint 215 Hi! I used a Protel Footprint SOT-89 (I call it 215 from IPC-SM-782) which gives me DRC errors. The problem is pin 2 has a rectangular pad with a bunch of fills and tracks added to make a big tab. The fills and tracks do not pick up the net name when the netlist is loaded giving many DRC errors. How can I get the tab to be part of the net? Clicking on the individual tracks and fills works but is a pain and the net information goes away at some point, possibly on load netlist. I have lived with the DRC errors but it is annoying. Jeff Adolphs Lake Shore Cryotronics, Inc. Westerville, Ohio * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Footprint 215
Thanks Tim! The Netlist Manager worked great and did not change a violation short where I connect Ground 1 to Ground 2. Now that I did this I know I have been given this advise before and could not remember it to save my life! I never use the Netlist Manager. Jeff -Original Message- From: Tim Fifield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 2:18 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Footprint 215 Jeff, Try: Design/Netlist Manager/Menu/Update Free Primitives From Component Pads. Tim -Original Message- From: Jeff Adolphs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 2:52 PM To: Protel EDA Forum (E-mail) Subject: [PEDA] Footprint 215 Hi! I used a Protel Footprint SOT-89 (I call it 215 from IPC-SM-782) which gives me DRC errors. The problem is pin 2 has a rectangular pad with a bunch of fills and tracks added to make a big tab. The fills and tracks do not pick up the net name when the netlist is loaded giving many DRC errors. How can I get the tab to be part of the net? Clicking on the individual tracks and fills works but is a pain and the net information goes away at some point, possibly on load netlist. I have lived with the DRC errors but it is annoying. Jeff Adolphs Lake Shore Cryotronics, Inc. Westerville, Ohio * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Footprint 215
At 01:51 PM 11/26/01 -0500, Jeff Adolphs wrote: Hi! I used a Protel Footprint SOT-89 (I call it 215 from IPC-SM-782) which gives me DRC errors. The problem is pin 2 has a rectangular pad with a bunch of fills and tracks added to make a big tab. The fills and tracks do not pick up the net name when the netlist is loaded giving many DRC errors. How can I get the tab to be part of the net? Clicking on the individual tracks and fills works but is a pain and the net information goes away at some point, possibly on load netlist. In order to edit the individual tracks and fills, one must unlock the component primitives. It is advised to relock them when done. The generic way to assign nets to those primitives is to run Design/NetlistManager/Menu/Update Free Primitives from Component Pads. In spite of its name, it also updates non-pad component primitives. As to why the tracks and fills lost their net assignments, I don't know. I have a vague memory of that happening. Generally, I think, once the assignments are made, they stick. Maybe that is with the Synchronizer (In Schematic, Update PCB), perhaps Netlist Load clears them, there are some differences like that. The Synchronizer correctly handles the case of multiple pads with the same name, Netlist Load sometimes does not (the assignments will be correct with first Load, then oscillate with subsequent Loads). This could be related. But I'm speculating. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Footprint
Re: [PEDA] Footprint
I no one has the footprint for you, you may use my QFP generator, just enter the dimensions provided in you data sheet. Just copy this link location into your internet explorer address bar: ftp://ftp.point-lab.com/quartus/Public/ProtelUsers/ Take these 2 files: QFPfootprintGeneratorScript.bas - Protel ClientBasic script. QFPfootprintGeneratorScript.txt - added documentation. Goodluck. Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Sean James [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 4:06 PM Subject: [PEDA] Footprint Does anybody have a TQFP-32 lead pcb footprint? Preferably for ONSEMI Case #873A-02. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
