Re: [PEDA] Kudos
I read the article on LinuxCAD, I won't be purchasing it any time soon. I've use Qcad from qcad.org, it comes free with Mandrake. It took some time to figure out how to use it, but once you figure out the methodology they use, it works pretty good. Here's the rating I found off their website. QCad Ratings IceWalkers: 5/5 Linuxberg/ Tucows: 5/5 www.qcad.org Jason On Wednesday 24 July 2002 17:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I recently saw LinuxCAD's website. It seems they offer an AutoCAD replacement for $99. And they offer versions that run on Windows, for those who don't use Linux yet. I don't know how good their product is, I just saw the website. The mail I get on LinuxCAD is to steer well clear of it. It's not even worth $99, from what I can gather. Although it's an old review, see: http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue30/wuest.html AFAIK, if you agree to the EULA for LinuxCAD, you aren't allowed to comment on it in public. Cheers, Matthew van de Werken Electronics Engineer CSIRO Exploration Mining - Gravity Group 1 Technology Court - Pullenvale - Qld - 4069 - AUSTRALIA ph: +61-7-3327 4685 fax: +61-7-3327 4455 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Tracking #: D72702FFD81C064E8F36D4D29B4FC993EC221468 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Kudos
Group, Just out of curiosity, I thought I would ask for a copy of the EULA from LinuxCad... It is company policy that software licences be reviewed here before purchase in order to avoid gotchas. Well, I received this response from LinuxCad: At 03:22 PM 7/25/2002 -0400, LinuxCad Sales wrote in response to my request for software licence terms: Go ... my web site www.linuxcad.com pal. LinuxCAD is up for sale for $89 , possible or not possible before or after, or must or consider or pertaining or not. To fill the order form with your credit card is about the only thing you can do in LinuxCAD pre-sales process. That is how we LinuxCAD folks deal with bullying... www.linuxcad.com sales This guy obviously has some sort of major personal problem. Ordering anything from him would obviously be a big GOTCHA. I did notice that all the testimonials on the website appear to have been fabricated, either that or everyone that wrote in uses his same broken English style. A sad deal...Gimme Gimme Gimme...Mine Mine Mine -Frank At 09:46 AM 7/25/2002 +1000, you wrote: BTW, I recently saw LinuxCAD's website. It seems they offer an AutoCAD replacement for $99. And they offer versions that run on Windows, for those who don't use Linux yet. I don't know how good their product is, I just saw the website. The mail I get on LinuxCAD is to steer well clear of it. It's not even worth $99, from what I can gather. Although it's an old review, see: http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue30/wuest.html AFAIK, if you agree to the EULA for LinuxCAD, you aren't allowed to comment on it in public. Cheers, Matthew van de Werken Electronics Engineer CSIRO Exploration Mining - Gravity Group 1 Technology Court - Pullenvale - Qld - 4069 - AUSTRALIA ph: +61-7-3327 4685 fax: +61-7-3327 4455 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Tracking #: D72702FFD81C064E8F36D4D29B4FC993EC221468 * Frank Gilley Dell-Star Technologies (918) 838-1973 Phone (918) 838-8814 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dellstar.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Kudos
Thanks for the tip. The guy sounds like a moron... -Original Message- From: Frank Gilley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:49 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Kudos Group, Just out of curiosity, I thought I would ask for a copy of the EULA from LinuxCad... It is company policy that software licences be reviewed here before purchase in order to avoid gotchas. Well, I received this response from LinuxCad: At 03:22 PM 7/25/2002 -0400, LinuxCad Sales wrote in response to my request for software licence terms: Go ... my web site www.linuxcad.com pal. LinuxCAD is up for sale for $89 , possible or not possible before or after, or must or consider or pertaining or not. To fill the order form with your credit card is about the only thing you can do in LinuxCAD pre-sales process. That is how we LinuxCAD folks deal with bullying... www.linuxcad.com sales This guy obviously has some sort of major personal problem. Ordering anything from him would obviously be a big GOTCHA. I did notice that all the testimonials on the website appear to have been fabricated, either that or everyone that wrote in uses his same broken English style. A sad deal...Gimme Gimme Gimme...Mine Mine Mine -Frank At 09:46 AM 7/25/2002 +1000, you wrote: BTW, I recently saw LinuxCAD's website. It seems they offer an AutoCAD replacement for $99. And they offer versions that run on Windows, for those who don't use Linux yet. I don't know how good their product is, I just saw the website. The mail I get on LinuxCAD is to steer well clear of it. It's not even worth $99, from what I can gather. Although it's an old review, see: http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue30/wuest.html AFAIK, if you agree to the EULA for LinuxCAD, you aren't allowed to comment on it in public. Cheers, Matthew van de Werken Electronics Engineer CSIRO Exploration Mining - Gravity Group 1 Technology Court - Pullenvale - Qld - 4069 - AUSTRALIA ph: +61-7-3327 4685 fax: +61-7-3327 4455 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Tracking #: D72702FFD81C064E8F36D4D29B4FC993EC221468 * Frank Gilley Dell-Star Technologies (918) 838-1973 Phone (918) 838-8814 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dellstar.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Kudos
It is company policy that software licences be reviewed here before purchase in order to avoid gotchas. snip That's a good company policy. Incidentally, how did you get a copy of the EULA for Microsoft products? From Microsoft's website: http://www.microsoft.com/education/license/eula.asp#6 1. Where do I find my End User License Agreement (EULA)? The EULA may be found in one of several different locations, depending on your Microsoft® product. The three most common locations for the license agreement are: 1) printed on a separate piece of paper that accompanies the product; 2) printed in the User's Manual, usually on the inside front cover or the first page of the manual; or 3) located online within the software product. In other words, you have to buy the Microsoft product first, and then open it, or maybe even install it before you can see the EULA. What a racket. There should be a law requiring the EULA to be posted on the outside of the box or on the website, and registration cannot be required before viewing it. I don't have enough money to counter-lobby Congress to pass this law, so it won't happen. A sidebar: ever wonder what happens when 2 opposing lobbyists lobby the same Congressman? I guess the one that contributes the most $$$ gets their way, and the other lobbyist's money was wasted, like flushing it down a giant toilet... Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Frank Gilley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Kudos Group, Just out of curiosity, I thought I would ask for a copy of the EULA from LinuxCad... It is company policy that software licences be reviewed here before purchase in order to avoid gotchas. Well, I received this response from LinuxCad: At 03:22 PM 7/25/2002 -0400, LinuxCad Sales wrote in response to my request for software licence terms: Go ... my web site www.linuxcad.com pal. LinuxCAD is up for sale for $89 , possible or not possible before or after, or must or consider or pertaining or not. To fill the order form with your credit card is about the only thing you can do in LinuxCAD pre-sales process. That is how we LinuxCAD folks deal with bullying... www.linuxcad.com sales This guy obviously has some sort of major personal problem. Ordering anything from him would obviously be a big GOTCHA. I did notice that all the testimonials on the website appear to have been fabricated, either that or everyone that wrote in uses his same broken English style. A sad deal...Gimme Gimme Gimme...Mine Mine Mine -Frank * Tracking #: 012B226F53D0C54F9678E294066EB62A81AFA966 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Kudos
I guess I'm in the minority, but I find the Protel user interface quite powerful and, for the most part, intuitively consistent across servers. The labyrinthine command interface of Autocad and PCB packages using a similar interface (like Pads) are tedious and extremely trying. Protel is missing a bet by not offering a stand-alone full-featured Mechanical CAD package based on the 99SE interface. But *Please*, Protel, be sure to maintain full two-way file conversion with all ACAD File Formats ever released! Brian * Tracking #: 732E05315EAC2942A3FEB2F75BD40D71CF4E8FD5 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Kudos
Protel is missing a bet by not offering a stand-alone full-featured Mechanical CAD package based on the 99SE interface. But *Please*, Protel, be sure to maintain full two-way file conversion with all ACAD File Formats ever released! Good idea, but not easy - Autodesk loves to change the formats with each release. BTW, I recently saw LinuxCAD's website. It seems they offer an AutoCAD replacement for $99. And they offer versions that run on Windows, for those who don't use Linux yet. I don't know how good their product is, I just saw the website. I repeat my advice to Altium to release a free schematic editor. This way they can overcome Orcad in the marketplace, and get more suite sales by seeding the market with Protel users. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Brian Sherer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 11:40 AM Subject: [PEDA] Kudos I guess I'm in the minority, but I find the Protel user interface quite powerful and, for the most part, intuitively consistent across servers. The labyrinthine command interface of Autocad and PCB packages using a similar interface (like Pads) are tedious and extremely trying. Protel is missing a bet by not offering a stand-alone full-featured Mechanical CAD package based on the 99SE interface. But *Please*, Protel, be sure to maintain full two-way file conversion with all ACAD File Formats ever released! Brian * Tracking #: 5ACD4749145AF34793AD3512AC706DC7F73CC6D4 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Kudos
On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:40:27 -0700, Brian Sherer wrote: Protel is missing a bet by not offering a stand-alone full-featured Mechanical CAD package based on the 99SE interface. But *Please*, Protel, be sure to maintain full two-way file conversion with all ACAD File Formats ever released! Good luck. There are already lots of good mechanical CAD packages out there. And *none* of them have good ACAD -Â [insert your favorite CAD package here] file conversion. Autocad (purposely) makes sure it's a moving and non-documented target with each new release. I'd much rather Protel spent their time doing the business they are in -- making the best PCB design entry and layout tools possible for the lowest price possible. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * Tracking #: CB75C87FC6469C41A0FF92D2D9F6CD70D16876D8 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Kudos
Except for the p-w in schematic p-t for PCB, I always cross these 2, I have to agree with the other Brian. Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice (514) 624-4003 Fax (514) 624-3631 - Original Message - From: Brian Sherer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 11:40 AM Subject: [PEDA] Kudos I guess I'm in the minority, but I find the Protel user interface quite powerful and, for the most part, intuitively consistent across servers. The labyrinthine command interface of Autocad and PCB packages using a similar interface (like Pads) are tedious and extremely trying. Protel is missing a bet by not offering a stand-alone full-featured Mechanical CAD package based on the 99SE interface. But *Please*, Protel, be sure to maintain full two-way file conversion with all ACAD File Formats ever released! Brian * Tracking #: 732E05315EAC2942A3FEB2F75BD40D71CF4E8FD5 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Kudos
It goes both ways. PTC (PRO/Engineer) are about to release a PCB design package. Igor -Original Message- From: Brian Sherer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2002 1:40 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Kudos I guess I'm in the minority, but I find the Protel user interface quite powerful and, for the most part, intuitively consistent across servers. The labyrinthine command interface of Autocad and PCB packages using a similar interface (like Pads) are tedious and extremely trying. Protel is missing a bet by not offering a stand-alone full-featured Mechanical CAD package based on the 99SE interface. But *Please*, Protel, be sure to maintain full two-way file conversion with all ACAD File Formats ever released! Brian * Tracking #: 732E05315EAC2942A3FEB2F75BD40D71CF4E8FD5 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Kudos
BTW, I recently saw LinuxCAD's website. It seems they offer an AutoCAD replacement for $99. And they offer versions that run on Windows, for those who don't use Linux yet. I don't know how good their product is, I just saw the website. The mail I get on LinuxCAD is to steer well clear of it. It's not even worth $99, from what I can gather. Although it's an old review, see: http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue30/wuest.html AFAIK, if you agree to the EULA for LinuxCAD, you aren't allowed to comment on it in public. Cheers, Matthew van de Werken Electronics Engineer CSIRO Exploration Mining - Gravity Group 1 Technology Court - Pullenvale - Qld - 4069 - AUSTRALIA ph: +61-7-3327 4685 fax: +61-7-3327 4455 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Tracking #: D72702FFD81C064E8F36D4D29B4FC993EC221468 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Kudos
On 09:03 AM 25/07/2002 +1000, Igor Gmitrovic said: It goes both ways. PTC (PRO/Engineer) are about to release a PCB design package. Igor I couldn't find any reference to a PCB pkg on the PTC www site. In past news stories they have said they are not going into that market. They are setting up links with Cadence and mentor for design management interfaces etc but I could see nothing about a PCB package. Have you got more info on this? Ian * Tracking #: CC391BFF99C1F84CBBA1B0FF0CA3CF07C71D132F * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Kudos
Only a vague statement from their rep. We are looking into exchanging design info between Protel and Pro/E and he said they will release some kind of PCB package, without any details. I think he said it would be their own SW, there was no mention of third party involved. Igor -Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2002 10:19 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Kudos On 09:03 AM 25/07/2002 +1000, Igor Gmitrovic said: It goes both ways. PTC (PRO/Engineer) are about to release a PCB design package. Igor I couldn't find any reference to a PCB pkg on the PTC www site. In past news stories they have said they are not going into that market. They are setting up links with Cadence and mentor for design management interfaces etc but I could see nothing about a PCB package. Have you got more info on this? Ian * Tracking #: CC391BFF99C1F84CBBA1B0FF0CA3CF07C71D132F * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Kudos
Igor, this sounds like possibly the rep is just talking about a Protel/ProE mechanical interface utility like they have for PADS, CADENCE, MENTOR, etc., etc.. I think that you and the rep are talking to each other but each has their own concept in their mind for two different things. The key word that you used is exchange. That is not the same as import or covert. I would expect a module which allows PCB and mechanical databases to be passed between ProE and Protel. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Igor Gmitrovic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 5:34 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Kudos Only a vague statement from their rep. We are looking into exchanging design info between Protel and Pro/E and he said they will release some kind of PCB package, without any details. I think he said it would be their own SW, there was no mention of third party involved. Igor * Tracking #: 8D82820BD7D30D4CBD06C7A092EAA233C881636E * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Kudos
Brad, that was just an aside bit of info, not directly related to our initial topic of design info exchange. I guess he was trying to attract our interest into their new offering, trying to get more sales. It was a promo for new product. Igor -Original Message- From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2002 11:08 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Kudos Igor, this sounds like possibly the rep is just talking about a Protel/ProE mechanical interface utility like they have for PADS, CADENCE, MENTOR, etc., etc.. I think that you and the rep are talking to each other but each has their own concept in their mind for two different things. The key word that you used is exchange. That is not the same as import or covert. I would expect a module which allows PCB and mechanical databases to be passed between ProE and Protel. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Igor Gmitrovic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 5:34 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Kudos Only a vague statement from their rep. We are looking into exchanging design info between Protel and Pro/E and he said they will release some kind of PCB package, without any details. I think he said it would be their own SW, there was no mention of third party involved. Igor * Tracking #: 8D82820BD7D30D4CBD06C7A092EAA233C881636E * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
