Re: [PEDA] P99SE Schematic: Symbols revisited
Ian, I've developed a work-around for the problem I presented. I'm able to automatically supress the part-type and ref-des text for only the components I am placing at a given instant and bypass the place part dialog box, using the Place:part process. Unfortunately, I am still battling an unexpected 5-15 sec delay between issuing the place:part command and action by the system, resulting in a somewhat clunky execution. I expect I'm not doing something right, in turn producing this delay. Hopefully it's a case of pilot failure instead of another P-bug. If the former, I'm sure that I'll eventually shake it out. Raw text on a stick-figure graphic was the solution. One object for each possibility (Blk 20ga, BRN 20 ga., ..., Blk 18ga, ..., 16, 12, 10, 8, 6...) Labor intensive, but worth it in the long run...It's not as elegant as I would have preferred, (pinning the ref des to the object center or some other creator-chosen location would have allowed creation of a single componet for each wire-type, reducing the tedium by a factor of 12 (the number of distinct colors for this particular exercise)) but that's okay. regards, aj From: Ian Wilson On 12:24 AM 22/03/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ... Suppose that there were two different types of situation, one in which a REAL component, ie, LM317, MC68332, 74HCT245, INA106, etc., uses its fields normally when depositied on the schematic sheet, and where a second type (a pseudo- powerport) supresses the auto-display of the text fields. Can be done or no? Yes, I think it could be * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] P99SE Schematic: Symbols revisited
On 12:24 AM 22/03/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: A second thought, in case the original query is a bust: Is it possible to supress the ref-designator and part type text display associated with a schematic component UPON PLACEMENT, without interferring with the automatic display of these fileds by normal components? That is, when a component is placed, the reference designator and part type fields are, by default, displayed. Because of this, if the user desires their supression, they must be manually hidden. Suppose that there were two different types of situation, one in which a REAL component, ie, LM317, MC68332, 74HCT245, INA106, etc., uses its fields normally when depositied on the schematic sheet, and where a second type (a pseudo-powerport) sup[resses the auto-display of the text fields. Can be done or no? Yes, I think it could be - but the catch is. I think it would require a new Place server to do it really seemlessly (blows own trumpet - ta d.) This may be of interest - but I have no idea if they add the ability to control the designators and part type as you wish. http://www.desktop-eda.com.au/products/ElectricalCad.htm Using for Designator and Part-Type wouldn't work for you? Gives an ERC error which is a pain - duplicate designators. As alternatives Adding a library (read-only) Field, to the library components to allow a global operation on anything with say HIDE_FIELDS in one of the read-only fields would be a partial option. Unfortunately, P99SE does not allow you to do a global operation by matching against a library (read-only) field. This is a real shame! The system should have allowed (note the realistic past tense) matching (not changing) against read-only lib fields during globals. A macro that changed all the designators and part type of components that had a string like this in a read-only field is probably not practical. But a server would be. This could easily be written to act across all sheets in a project or just the current sheet. Another option would be to export to a spreadsheet (or Save-As and ASCII file) and then run a spreadsheet macro or (perl script in the case of the ASCII format Sch). thsi has the disadvantage of having to be done for each sheet separately. So I can think of three workable solutions - all of various degrees of complexity. 1) A new place server. 2) Add specific string to specific read-only field to all the no designator components - and then run server to hide all designators etc on components with this string. 3) ditto - but Save-As ASCII/export to spread and make the change outside the P99SE environment. bye, Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] P99SE Schematic: Symbols revisited
Power objects are placed on sheet without the need for reference designators or parts numbers, unlike user-created components. Because my present job entails not only the expected electronic/electrical schematic and PCB designs, but also wiring diagrams and system-level electrical and electronic drawings, I now have a great deal of need for the ability to create symbols (and buttons which deposit them) for a variety of reusables like color-coding symbols, wire-gauge symbols, and similar. Is this possible within P99SE's schematic editor, or am I deluding myself? Andrew J Jenkins Electrical Engineer Dover Automation Company Subsidiary of Avtron Manufacturing Inc. v: 216 642-1230 x1228 f: 216 750-5105 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] P99SE Schematic: Symbols revisited
A second thought, in case the original query is a bust: Is it possible to supress the ref-designator and part type text display associated with a schematic component UPON PLACEMENT, without interferring with the automatic display of these fileds by normal components? That is, when a component is placed, the reference designator and part type fields are, by default, displayed. Because of this, if the user desires their supression, they must be manually hidden. Suppose that there were two different types of situation, one in which a REAL component, ie, LM317, MC68332, 74HCT245, INA106, etc., uses its fields normally when depositied on the schematic sheet, and where a second type (a pseudo-powerport) sup[resses the auto-display of the text fields. Can be done or no? thanks, aj -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 8:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] P99SE Schematic: Symbols revisited Power objects are placed on sheet without the need for reference designators or parts numbers, unlike user-created components. Because my present job entails not only the expected electronic/electrical schematic and PCB designs, but also wiring diagrams and system-level electrical and electronic drawings, I now have a great deal of need for the ability to create symbols (and buttons which deposit them) for a variety of reusables like color-coding symbols, wire-gauge symbols, and similar. Is this possible within P99SE's schematic editor, or am I deluding myself? Andrew J Jenkins Electrical Engineer Dover Automation Company Subsidiary of Avtron Manufacturing Inc. v: 216 642-1230 x1228 f: 216 750-5105 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] P99SE Schematic: Symbols revisited
At 21/03/2003 14:24, aj wrote: snip-snip Suppose that there were two different types of situation, one in which a REAL component, ie, LM317, MC68332, 74HCT245, INA106, etc., uses its fields normally when depositied on the schematic sheet, and where a second type (a pseudo-powerport) sup[resses the auto-display of the text fields. You could create the symbols with a 'marker' in one of the 16 part fields that are normally hidden, you then have a handle to globally edit all those parts after placement. Clearing the 'default designator' field also might help to reduce the problem by 50%. The only other way I can think of is to press TAB upon placement and setting the desired fields to blanks or ticking the hide box. Have a nice weekend, Leo * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] P99SE Schematic: Symbols revisited
Leo, Thanks for the reply. I am worried that the situation is exactly as you outline it, but I'm hoping that someone, somewhere has encountered and overcome this obvious shortcoming in P9x. The idea that I will be forced to edit some 150-200 components per wiring diagram to supress the textual info is frustrating, to say the least... -Original Message- From: Leo Potjewijd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...The only other way I can think of is to press TAB upon placement and setting the desired fields to blanks or ticking the hide box. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
