Re: [PEDA] SV: SV: Hard Look at other Programms
Dennis, This is from their site: PCB design import formats: Accel /PCAD Cadstar for Windows OrCAD Layout PADS PowerPCB Ultiboard PCB footprint library import formats: Accel /PCAD Cadstar for Windows OrCAD Layout PADS PowerPCB Netlist import formats: Accel /PCAD Cadstar OrCAD PADS PowerPCB Viewdraw Dennis Saputelli wrote: re Pulsonix, do they really read protel files and libraries? have you used the software? what are it's compelling features over 99SE? Dennis Saputelli * Tracking #: C3A88051516B574D99F277C2E0614682F3C5C933 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] SV: SV: Hard Look at other Programms
Hi Craig. It's unbelieveable (ofcourse I believe you), - this is not like them. Prices depend on the size of the package, - there are various to chose between. I'd suggest you contact your local reseller or directly the people in UK. If you wan't me to, I can arrange that you are being contacted, - just let me know... Peder -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Craig Elison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 4. september 2002 16:14 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] SV: Hard Look at other Programms You say these people are very serious about their product. I'm not sure. I found their web site the 20th of February. They were offering a free schematic capture. I downloaded it and sent in an email to get the key. I never got it back. Even after several emails. Your comments interested me. I'm ready to dump Protel 99SE and I will not got to DXP. So I hit their site this morning after I saw your reply. First thing is see is they ended the free schematic in March. Still waiting for the key requested in Feb! Price is a big factor for me so the next thing I looked for was their pricing. I went to the sales link. No pricing I could find. I went to More Information. Using their site index for Prices, Trade-in Prices and Upgrade Prices got Page Not Found errors. I'll keep an eye on them, but I'm not going to even try their demo if I don't know the pricing before hand. I could fall in love with it and then find I can't afford it. I also would have wasted my time evaluating the demo. I also didn't find any info on tech support. Do they have phone support? They are in the UK, but I see they have a rep or two in the states. A unhappy Protel user -Original Message- From: Peder K. Hellegaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:20 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] SV: Hard Look at other Programms Do yourself a favour: Take a look at the relative new tool called PULSONIX (www.pulsonix.com) Those guys are very serious and the package is low priced but with very good functionality and not to forget: Very stable. In addition, if a user finds a bug (it is software though) and reports it, it is usually fixed within a few hours (and this is the fact) and the user receives the updated files. This is the customer care you always has been looking for. The Pulsonix EDA tool imports design files AND library files from a lot of other EDA tools, and this also works perfectly. From a former Protel VAR -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Michael Reagan (EDSI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 4. september 2002 14:48 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: [PEDA] Hard Look at other Programms Dennis and Waldemar wrote here is one more guy who want to know what you will find out looking for other EDA Software. The Programs I found where either very expensive (unpayable for me) Here is what I have found so far: Orcad PCB: users satisfied with Orcad until Cadence purchased Orcad . OrCad PCB may have licensed routing code and other code from Protel and vice versa, The interfaces are very similar. Also similar in functionality and price, and features. Protel 99SE has an edge with more layers, generally more capability. Both are in the same price range. Both are good capable programs. Cadence has not done much to improve ORCAD layout since purchasing it. Don't look for good support from Orcad unless you plan to drop Orcad layout and upgrade to Cadence tools. Orcad also shares the same buggy autorouter, but the Orcad users I talked to don't know the difference. Maybe Orcad debugged their router. If you want to make OrCad work properly, you need Spectra. PADS/INOVEDA/now MENTOR: Lets face it this is DOS code dressed up to look like a windows program the same approach that Acad did with their programs. It is fairly stable. Commands are awkward, looks like it was designed by Unix programmers. While awkward and limited, it is still a good program. I have seen droves, herds, packs, groups, and allof PADS users switch to Cadence in the past year. Maybe they made a mistake and should have switched to MENTOR. To get a real working setup of PADs be ready to spend some money. I doubt if you can seriously do any PCB work (equal to 99SE) for under 30K. Their new router is fair, lets face it Spectra is still king of the hill.I don't know what MENTOR was thinking buying this Product from Inoveda. They were going out of business anyway, so why pay for any money for them.(Sounds like the Accel deal)PADS offers less features at a higher price than MENTORs EXPEDITON did, I'm not sure how Mentor plans to sell a program with less features at a higher price. ( did I repeat myself, sounds like the Accel deal again) MENTOR EXPEDITION: Guys and Gals This is the real McCoy of Software. This is the program everybody but me should be using, This is the yardstick that all tools should be measured to. So why cant I use
Re: [PEDA] SV: SV: Hard Look at other Programms
Hi Peder, I'll give one of their state side reps a call when I have some time. I have to find something to replace my 99SE with. Thanks for yourt input on the package. I take it your very happy with it? I'll keep that it mind. Craig -Original Message- From: Peder K. Hellegaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:26 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] SV: SV: Hard Look at other Programms Hi Craig. It's unbelieveable (ofcourse I believe you), - this is not like them. Prices depend on the size of the package, - there are various to chose between. I'd suggest you contact your local reseller or directly the people in UK. If you wan't me to, I can arrange that you are being contacted, - just let me know... Peder -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Craig Elison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 4. september 2002 16:14 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] SV: Hard Look at other Programms You say these people are very serious about their product. I'm not sure. I found their web site the 20th of February. They were offering a free schematic capture. I downloaded it and sent in an email to get the key. I never got it back. Even after several emails. Your comments interested me. I'm ready to dump Protel 99SE and I will not got to DXP. So I hit their site this morning after I saw your reply. First thing is see is they ended the free schematic in March. Still waiting for the key requested in Feb! Price is a big factor for me so the next thing I looked for was their pricing. I went to the sales link. No pricing I could find. I went to More Information. Using their site index for Prices, Trade-in Prices and Upgrade Prices got Page Not Found errors. I'll keep an eye on them, but I'm not going to even try their demo if I don't know the pricing before hand. I could fall in love with it and then find I can't afford it. I also would have wasted my time evaluating the demo. I also didn't find any info on tech support. Do they have phone support? They are in the UK, but I see they have a rep or two in the states. A unhappy Protel user -Original Message- From: Peder K. Hellegaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:20 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] SV: Hard Look at other Programms Do yourself a favour: Take a look at the relative new tool called PULSONIX (www.pulsonix.com) Those guys are very serious and the package is low priced but with very good functionality and not to forget: Very stable. In addition, if a user finds a bug (it is software though) and reports it, it is usually fixed within a few hours (and this is the fact) and the user receives the updated files. This is the customer care you always has been looking for. The Pulsonix EDA tool imports design files AND library files from a lot of other EDA tools, and this also works perfectly. From a former Protel VAR -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Michael Reagan (EDSI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 4. september 2002 14:48 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: [PEDA] Hard Look at other Programms Dennis and Waldemar wrote here is one more guy who want to know what you will find out looking for other EDA Software. The Programs I found where either very expensive (unpayable for me) Here is what I have found so far: Orcad PCB: users satisfied with Orcad until Cadence purchased Orcad . OrCad PCB may have licensed routing code and other code from Protel and vice versa, The interfaces are very similar. Also similar in functionality and price, and features. Protel 99SE has an edge with more layers, generally more capability. Both are in the same price range. Both are good capable programs. Cadence has not done much to improve ORCAD layout since purchasing it. Don't look for good support from Orcad unless you plan to drop Orcad layout and upgrade to Cadence tools. Orcad also shares the same buggy autorouter, but the Orcad users I talked to don't know the difference. Maybe Orcad debugged their router. If you want to make OrCad work properly, you need Spectra. PADS/INOVEDA/now MENTOR: Lets face it this is DOS code dressed up to look like a windows program the same approach that Acad did with their programs. It is fairly stable. Commands are awkward, looks like it was designed by Unix programmers. While awkward and limited, it is still a good program. I have seen droves, herds, packs, groups, and allof PADS users switch to Cadence in the past year. Maybe they made a mistake and should have switched to MENTOR. To get a real working setup of PADs be ready to spend some money. I doubt if you can seriously do any PCB work (equal to 99SE) for under 30K. Their new router is fair, lets face it Spectra is still king of the hill.I don't know what MENTOR was thinking buying this Product from Inoveda. They were going out of business anyway, so why pay for any money for them.(Sounds like
Re: [PEDA] SV: SV: Hard Look at other Programms
every time i open DXP i feel more stupid and less patient that then previous time i opened it i just don't get it but what's the problem with migrating to win2k? cost? what are you using now, win98? if so that could be part of the reason of your dissatisfaction with 99SE if there is more to it than that please tell re Pulsonix, do they really read protel files and libraries? have you used the software? what are it's compelling features over 99SE? Dennis Saputelli Greg North wrote: Hi all, All of the designers here are very disappointed with the DXP software. Just the fact that we have to migrate all of our engineers to W2K inorder for them to capture their schematics is a disaster! I just got off the phone with Tom Clark who is a Rep for Pulsonix. (I was able to get his number from the Pulsonix website) And I have info being sent to me. The full blown package is $4950 and maintance is about 12% per yr. Also seats of sch capture only are $200. Greg Gregory T. North, C.I.D. Sr. CAD Electrical Designer Engineer Ametek Aerospace Phone: (215) 257-6531 x1632 900 Clymer Ave. Fax: (215) 453-8177 Sellersville, PA. 18960 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Tracking #: F8AAFF090014A44594504B338C8A7F915C65864B * -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
