Re: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts.
Will do. Look for something late next week. -Original Message- From: Jeff Condit [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:56 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts. AJ, Let us know your evaluation when done. I'd be interested. Thanks, Jeff Condit - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 5:28 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts. As is, I downloaded the demo and will give it a try. If it does what it says, the price is reasonable, and as Brian said, it has that classic flowchart feel/look... The viso comment was from my experience with Visio years ago (mid 90s). Maybe it's gotten better, but once upon a time, clunker would have been a complimentary terms, at least from me. Thanks for the info and link. aj -Original Message- From: John A. Ross [RSDTV] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Um... John, Please tell me Visio was a tongue-in-cheek suggestion... Hi aj Er no, Visio was actually a serious suggestion ;-) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts.
As is, I downloaded the demo and will give it a try. If it does what it says, the price is reasonable, and as Brian said, it has that classic flowchart feel/look... The viso comment was from my experience with Visio years ago (mid 90s). Maybe it's gotten better, but once upon a time, clunker would have been a complimentary terms, at least from me. Thanks for the info and link. aj -Original Message- From: John A. Ross [RSDTV] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Um... John, Please tell me Visio was a tongue-in-cheek suggestion... Hi aj Er no, Visio was actually a serious suggestion ;-) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts.
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 September 2004 13:28 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts. The viso comment was from my experience with Visio years ago (mid 90s). Maybe it's gotten better, but once upon a time, clunker would have been a complimentary terms, at least from me. Aj Ok, I have only used it since 2002 version and it was not too bad, I used SmartDraw 3/4 before that (new versions speak 'MS Visio@ I believe) it was basic, but amazingly easy to use but we needed some office/ms project integration and Visio fitted the bill best, warts and all. http://www.smartdraw.com/enterprise/visio.htm is interesting reading John -Original Message- From: John A. Ross [RSDTV] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Um... John, Please tell me Visio was a tongue-in-cheek suggestion... Hi aj Er no, Visio was actually a serious suggestion ;-) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts.
AJ, Let us know your evaluation when done. I'd be interested. Thanks, Jeff Condit - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 5:28 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts. As is, I downloaded the demo and will give it a try. If it does what it says, the price is reasonable, and as Brian said, it has that classic flowchart feel/look... The viso comment was from my experience with Visio years ago (mid 90s). Maybe it's gotten better, but once upon a time, clunker would have been a complimentary terms, at least from me. Thanks for the info and link. aj -Original Message- From: John A. Ross [RSDTV] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Um... John, Please tell me Visio was a tongue-in-cheek suggestion... Hi aj Er no, Visio was actually a serious suggestion ;-) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts.
Thanks for the suggestions. I'm going to try S2F, it has that classic flowchart which I really like the look of. Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts. Um... John, Please tell me Visio was a tongue-in-cheek suggestion... S2F looks pretty cool up front. Have you used S2F, and if so, what are your impressions with its efficacy for reverse engineering code? Is it really any good at the task? How much has to be manually cleaned up after app performs its conversion from code to ? Does it work with lower-level languages, ie, machine code and related? Any big caveats? Limitations? Unadvertised plusses? aj -Original Message- From: John A. Ross [RSDTV] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts. Brian http://www.fatesoft.com/s2f/ There is always MS Visio amongst others. John -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts. To create software flowcharts, to date I've been using P99SE schematic capture. Sheet symbols basically were the functions entering the symbols revealed the sub-layer flowchart. Obviously, these schematics did nothing electrical. Now I'm working on one of my largest software projects to date, involving multiple software engineers. Should I stick with P99SE's schematic capture for my flowchart, or, is there a better utility out there designed for this particular task. Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts.
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 1:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts. Um... John, Please tell me Visio was a tongue-in-cheek suggestion... Hi aj Er no, Visio was actually a serious suggestion ;-) S2F looks pretty cool up front. Have you used S2F, and if so, what are your impressions with its efficacy for reverse engineering code? Is it really any good at the task? How much has to be manually cleaned up after app performs its conversion from code to ? Does it work with lower-level languages, ie, machine code and related? Any big caveats? Limitations? Unadvertised plusses? Personally I do much software, my skills in that area kinda suck to be honest. But I have seen the reports from it and I managed to follow them, so it seems to do a decent enough job in the end but any caveats on how to get to that I cannot answer. The job it was used on was an embedded project and although mainly done in C it does have quite a bit of inline asm as well. But I guess the tool could not possibly be able to guess how every engineeer codes their own applications and I would further guess it may fall over a little on asm stuff inline which is processor specific. Sorry cannot clarify much more John -Original Message- From: John A. Ross [RSDTV] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts. Brian http://www.fatesoft.com/s2f/ There is always MS Visio amongst others. John -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts. To create software flowcharts, to date I've been using P99SE schematic capture. Sheet symbols basically were the functions entering the symbols revealed the sub-layer flowchart. Obviously, these schematics did nothing electrical. Now I'm working on one of my largest software projects to date, involving multiple software engineers. Should I stick with P99SE's schematic capture for my flowchart, or, is there a better utility out there designed for this particular task. Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts.
I like the open-source program Dia for flowcharts. http://www.gnome.org/projects/dia/ A Windows version is at http://dia-installer.sourceforge.net/ The windows installer is the file: dia-setup-0.94.zip Paul -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 3:16 PM To create software flowcharts, to date I've been using P99SE schematic capture. Sheet symbols basically were the functions entering the symbols revealed the sub-layer flowchart. Obviously, these schematics did nothing electrical. Now I'm working on one of my largest software projects to date, involving multiple software engineers. Should I stick with P99SE's schematic capture for my flowchart, or, is there a better utility out there designed for this particular task. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts.
26/09/2004 20:15:59, Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: working on one of my largest software projects to date, involving multiple software engineers. Should I stick with P99SE's schematic capture for my flowchart, or, is there a better utility out there designed for this particular task. http://www.gnome.org/projects/dia/ gets the job done here. Steve * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts.
26/09/2004 20:15:59, Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I'm working on one of my largest software projects to date, involving multiple software engineers. Should I stick with P99SE's schematic capture for my flowchart, or, is there a better utility out there designed for this particular task. Oops - http://dia-installer.sourceforge.net/ for the windows version. Steve * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts.
Um... John, Please tell me Visio was a tongue-in-cheek suggestion... S2F looks pretty cool up front. Have you used S2F, and if so, what are your impressions with its efficacy for reverse engineering code? Is it really any good at the task? How much has to be manually cleaned up after app performs its conversion from code to ? Does it work with lower-level languages, ie, machine code and related? Any big caveats? Limitations? Unadvertised plusses? aj -Original Message- From: John A. Ross [RSDTV] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts. Brian http://www.fatesoft.com/s2f/ There is always MS Visio amongst others. John -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts. To create software flowcharts, to date I've been using P99SE schematic capture. Sheet symbols basically were the functions entering the symbols revealed the sub-layer flowchart. Obviously, these schematics did nothing electrical. Now I'm working on one of my largest software projects to date, involving multiple software engineers. Should I stick with P99SE's schematic capture for my flowchart, or, is there a better utility out there designed for this particular task. Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts.
To create software flowcharts, to date I've been using P99SE schematic capture. Sheet symbols basically were the functions entering the symbols revealed the sub-layer flowchart. Obviously, these schematics did nothing electrical. Now I'm working on one of my largest software projects to date, involving multiple software engineers. Should I stick with P99SE's schematic capture for my flowchart, or, is there a better utility out there designed for this particular task. Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts.
Brian Is this any help to you? Never used it personally but it was recommended to me by someone a while back after we were requested to add flowcharts to some documentation. http://www.fatesoft.com/s2f/ There is always MS Visio amongst others. John -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 8:16 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Using P99SE schematic editor for creating general purpose flowcharts. To create software flowcharts, to date I've been using P99SE schematic capture. Sheet symbols basically were the functions entering the symbols revealed the sub-layer flowchart. Obviously, these schematics did nothing electrical. Now I'm working on one of my largest software projects to date, involving multiple software engineers. Should I stick with P99SE's schematic capture for my flowchart, or, is there a better utility out there designed for this particular task. Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
