Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: reconnecting nets

2001-05-07 Thread Colby

Bryan,

First,  to change Routing mode while in the interactive router press SHIFT+R
this will cycle through the 3 modes.  To see which mode you are in glance at
the command or status bar(can't remember which)

Avoid(follows clearance rules to disallow short circuits) - This is the mode
it has been routing in... and why you cannot reach that pad.
Ignore obstacle(Will allow you to route anywhere and break your clearance
rules at will)
Push Obstacle(Will attempt to 'push' tracks that would cause a clearance
violation to keep them within the specified clearances)

The major factor in the Avoid Obstacle mode is that in order to connect two
objects they must be of the same net.
Two objects marked as NoNet will be considered of different nets.

The thing to consider with using the Ignore is that there is a reason it is
stopping you while in Avoid mode, and ignoring that will lead to a violation
which you will need to eliminate eventually anyway.

So... the first thing to look at is to make sure that both objects have the
same net, or any net at all.

If both objects have the same net, we need to look at some other
things(hopefully one will lead to a solution)

BTW as an aside..  I would be happy to look this file over for you if you
want to zip it and e-mail it to me.  I will find the problem and let you
know what it was.

Ah... I just noticed something.

 I remember asking this question once and was told to Clear Nets,
Update free primitives, then to reload my netlist.

If you went through this in the steps listed above, in that order, you will
have a board full of NoNet violations.  The pads would have nets... but not
the tracks.

This procedure is out of step... maybe this will help.  Try this order
instead.
Clear Nets
Load Nets
Update Primitives -- this process requires that component pads have netlist
information.

Another thing I would check for would be duplicate net names(I am unsure
what causes these... but I have seen them)

Go to Design--Netlist manager

Highlight the netclass for ALL Nets... and then browse through the list
looking for double entries.

Well... I am starting to get into the obscurities here..  ;)

Let me know if any of this helps, if not we will check some of the more
obscure things that could cause this.

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- Original Message -
From: Bryan Bernesi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Multiple recipients of list proteledausers
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Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [PROTEL EDA USERS]: reconnecting nets


 Hello Tom, Colby,

 Tom, yes I'm sure they connect. The autorouter routed the connection for
me,
 but routed it with changing layers and adding vias where there is no need.
 What I wanted to do is remove the via and changed layer and to reconnect
the
 2 pads with a single straight trace.

 here are some more details,

 Pad A (10400, 11950) - [NetU2_TG_8] - Pin 5 of a 5 pin sip
 Pad B (10500, 11950) - [NetU2_TG_8] - Pin 4 of an 8 pin DIPSWITCH

 I checked to see if there was anything underneath the pad, and there was
 nothing.

 Colby, you are on the right line of thinking  though... my whole board
 lights up like a christmas tree with clearance violations, even though
there
 shouldn't  be any. I have someone at the Protel Tech support looking into
 this for me. I remember asking this question once and was told to Clear
 Nets, Update free primitives, then to reload my netlist. It didn't
work.

 How do I set the interactive routing to Avoid Obstacle?


 Very kind Regards,

 Bryan Bernesi


 - Original Message -
 From: Tom E Luttrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Multiple recipients of list proteledausers
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 5:14 PM
 Subject: RE: [PROTEL EDA USERS]: reconnecting nets


  The brute force way to do this may be to change the Preference for
  interactive routing to 'Ignore obstacle'. Then after placing the track
  between the pads (are you sure they connect??? Check both their nets
 first)
  select the track and change the net to the same as the connected pads.
 Don't
  forget to change the Preference for interactive routing back to 'Avoid
  obstacle'
  I have not had this problem before, do you have service pack 6
installed?
 
  Tom L.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Bryan Bernesi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, 27 February 2001 2:47 AM
  To: Multiple recipients of list proteledausers
  Subject: [PROTEL EDA USERS]: reconnecting nets
 
 
  Hello,
 
  I have finally got my board routed. Now, I am still having problems with
 the
  nets.
 
  The autorouter routed a net stupidly (it put a via, and 

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: reconnecting nets

2001-05-07 Thread Micky Blain

If you change to the violation tab under Browse PCB there should be a list
of violations and the location.

Another thing I do is change all to draft
TOOLSPREFERENCESSHOW/HIDE/DRAFT this allows me to see anything funny
going on with the pads or traces.

-Original Message-
From: TSListServer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Bryan Bernesi
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 11:42 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list proteledausers
Subject: Re: [PROTEL EDA USERS]: reconnecting nets


Thank you very, very much Colby. I was following the wrong steps before.

I still have not gotten a response from Protel Tech support. but would
you know why my complete board would be lighting up with clearance
violations??? and how can I fix this problem without turning off the
clearance constraint rule, just in case there is a DRC

Very kind regards,

Bryan Bernesi




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