Re: [PEDA] 99SE Find Files Found
Dennis Saputelli wrote: by right window i meant the main right hand pane when the list of files is showing over there (and only then) I should add - not only then. I mean you don't have to have a ddb open to be able to access this feature. After you start Protel so the Design Explorer's empty window opens you may press F3 - like Windows' Find File, but it executes Protel's Find Files process. I think it's more common that one needs to find a file before any ddb is open. Regards, Wojciech Oborski * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 99SE Find Files Found
Jim wrote: .DXP is now moving toward it's 2nd birthday and I think most of us feel its not nearly as usable or productive as its predecessor. 99se was showing its age in it's lack of many high speed design features. Jim I would be interested in hearing one high speed feature that was implemented in DXP. I have yet to find any. I use both DXP and 99SE. If anything 99SE has a huge advantage over DXP with ease of use in the design rules menu. Try to set up maximum parallel rules between net classes in DXP sometime, it becomes an experiment in programming. Actually, I found a bug in DXP that it doesnt support more than three different levels of layer rules when exporting to a dsn file. This is hardlly a high speed advancement. Mike Reagan EDSI Frederick MD * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 99SE Find Files Found
Yeah, it had me confused too but I finally figured it out. He means The xxx.DDB document window. You must have a database open and it'll be the left most document tab or only tab if you don't have any of the database's documents open. It's a nifty feature. JM At 08:24 AM 9/9/2004, you wrote: I either missed the first few posts or I just don't get it. Dennis wrote i just stumbled (after all this time!) on ctrl-F when in the main file list in the RIGHT window (only place it shows and which exposes the Find Files .. in the File Menu) I can't seem to figure out how to do this. He mentions the RIGHT window. Are we referring to something I don't know of? I usually only have the Design Explorer Window open and the item I am working on (ie: Schematic, PCB.) Any clarification would be appreciated. Thanks. Dan Enslen The only reason time exists is so everything doesn't happen all at once. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 99SE Find Files Found
Jim, I waited like you for 2004sp1 till I bought my copy. I found it a mighty tool but complicated to use. I´d have to agree in some of the things you wrote. Still I find P99SE easier to use and more intuitive then DXP2004_sp1. But there is one thing I have to point on. Have a Look on the download-pages on Protel.com . There are 1 service-pack for Protel99 and 6 (!) of them for 99SE. Perhaps we shall give Altium some more time? As long as they give us servicepacks free of charge there stil is hope. :-) Regards, Waldemar -Original Message- From: Jim Monroe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEDA] 99SE Find Files Found I'd have to agree. 99se did and still does represent the height of Protel's EDA systems. ...snipp... I think the DXP platform could have been another pinnacle but they got carried away with the new interface or perhaps the task of merging all their EDA products under a single 'easy to use' platform was just too daunting. ...snipp... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 99SE Find Files Found
i just stumbled (after all this time!) on ctrl-F when in the main file list in the RIGHT window (only place it shows and which exposes the Find Files .. in the File Menu) this will search thru DDBs looking for internal files by file spec and/or by internal file date you can search by comment or size too it will then list them by the parent DDB and when you dbl click on the DDB it opens the and it doesn't start a second copy of 99SE Dennis Saputelli -- ___ Integrated Controls, Inc. Tel: 415-647-0480 EXT 107 2851 21st StreetFax: 415-647-3003 San Francisco, CA 94110 www.integratedcontrolsinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 99SE Find Files Found
I'd have to agree. 99se did and still does represent the height of Protel's EDA systems. Unfortunately 99se is a dead product. It'll be used by many of us for years and years to come but it's development has ceased and its user base will only get smaller. I think the DXP platform could have been another pinnacle but they got carried away with the new interface or perhaps the task of merging all their EDA products under a single 'easy to use' platform was just too daunting. Protel has a history of releasing their products prematurely then making substantial product improvements a year or more later. I doubt that any of the early users of DXP would say it wasn't a premature release. Most of us have learned to wait awhile, usually for SP2 or SP3 before making the leap. I waited for DXP 2004 which appeared to be the equivalent of sp3+. I was still disappointed. DXP is now moving toward it's 2nd birthday and I think most of us feel its not nearly as usable or productive as its predecessor. 99se was showing its age in it's lack of many high speed design features. These and other features could have been added in DXP that would have offset the productivity loss of the new interface. We didn't get them in the original DXP release and they haven't shown up in SP1, SP2, the 2004 upgrade, or 2004 sp1. I'm loosing hope that DXP will ever offer enough bang for the buck for me to continue competing as a contractor. A couple weeks ago one of Altium's sales staff told me to purchase the P-CAD 2004 release to get these features. I am starting to consider changing EDA platforms, but if I do I seriously doubt it would be to another Altium product. I know that others have or are moving away from Protel. I'd be interested in hearing about the benefits and problems you discovered. JM At 12:37 PM 9/7/2004, you wrote: Mike, You got that right, it powerful, and simple at the same time. It will be around for a long time. The current incarnation is mostly a programmers abomination and a companies capitalization of name and brand recognition. For just doing schematics and boards P99 is the pinnacle of the EDA tools. I feel qualified because I use some competitor tools also, but hey I need to earn money as I wasn't born rich so I work. Joe - Original Message - From: edsi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:15 AM Subject: [PEDA] PEDA] 99SE Find Files Found Dennis wrote i just stumbled (after all this time!) on ctrl-F when in the main file list in the RIGHT window (only place it shows and which exposes the Find Files .. in the File Menu) 99SE SP6 is truly an amazing program. I don't think Altium knows how powerful this program is. Sure, it has a few minor quirks, but I am always amazed. After 6 years, I discovered something last week also. I use net classes to define almost all of my routing. You can a select net, or a group of nets and automatically add them to new or existing net class. The option is not available by using the class generator, where I would expect it to be. It only becomes available for use after you make your selections, and the yellow button is turned on below the double arrow in the class generator menu. I stumbled onto this after looking for easier methods to create net classes. Dennis thanks for the tip.I will explore with it Mike Reagan EDSI Frederick ,MD * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
