Re: [PEDA] Altium Flyer in Today's Mail

2002-03-11 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support

Steve, and all:

The sad facts of life w.r.t. software:

1)  If software was perfectly useful and bug-free, there would never be any
reason to upgrade it.  Once all the seats that could be sold were sold, the
software company would go out of business.
2)  Ever since I can remember, each new release has been touted with vague
superlatives seamless integration, increased functionality, ease of use,
etc.  Few of these claims were ever actually realized.
3)  Once software has achieved the needed functionality, the only thing that
can continue to sell is a periodic facelift of the software.  How about
Microsoft Word?  It hasn't seen any real improvement since v6.0.  By v6.0 it
had all the features you could want in a word processor.  What more was
there?  I admit it could stand improvement in memory management, stability,
page layout, etc.  But those improvements require re-engineering.  That's
too costly.  Add-on features are cheaper to do.
4)  Open source software (OSS) is great, but where's the electronic CAD OSS?
The folks who should write it are too busy trying to earn a living to write
it.

Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website:  www.bagotronix.com


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 I suspect others of you also received this flyer or will get it in the
next
 day or two. Wondering what your reactions are. I see a number of things:

 1) Now they want to SELL me the Tasking compiler toolset for the 8051
 processor that I'll never use, for $800US. Maybe that's why they never
 delivered the copy which they promised as being free to all registered
99SE
 licensees last Fall?

 2) They still claim they'll release Phoenix (the next generation Protel
 design suite) within Q1 2002. Since beta test has apparently not yet even
 started, I'm guessing with consideable confidence that it will be either
very
 buggy or very late. Maybe both, as managers scramble to avoid the
 embarrassment of another schedule slip

 3) I'm curious to see if the new VHDL capability is actually going to be
 useful, as I have some design work to do in that arena next year.
Hopefully
 it will be better than the toy support for PLDs in 99SE.

 4) I'm anxiously awaiting a look at what they mean by integrated
components
 and libraries. If that means their programmers are going to strap some
more
 constraints on our backs, goodbye. But if it means that the designers of
the
 supplied schematic and PCB libraries might actually talk to one another,
so
 that the libraries work together without major bugs, that would be a
serious
 improvement. Of course, it's nothing more than a bug fix. I and many
others
 who have posted here completely avoid the Protel libaries because they're
so
 full of bugs.

 5) Since they again tout their powerful simulation tools and extensive
 project and document management features, but they don't indicate any new
 features of those tools, I'm wondering if it's just the same old junk,
 repackaged. Working would by itself be a wonderful new feature.

 Don't get me wrong - I use and like Protel for schematic capture and PCB
 layout. But the bugs remain annoying, and the other highly touted features
 are a joke. Here's hoping Altium has been listening to this list a whole
lot
 more than their new image leads me to believe. I'm still skeptical.

 Steve Hendrix


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Re: [PEDA] Altium Flyer in Today's Mail

2002-03-11 Thread Darren Moore

I also just opened a flyer (4 page thing)
and the release date for the new package
is early 2002 (i.e. not 1st quarter)

Darren Moore

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Re: [PEDA] Altium Flyer in Today's Mail

2002-03-11 Thread Ian Capps

It says first quarter on page 1 and early 2002 on page 2. Maybe they are
hedging their bets.

Ian C
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 I also just opened a flyer (4 page thing)
 and the release date for the new package
 is early 2002 (i.e. not 1st quarter)

 Darren Moore


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