On 09:39 PM 30/01/2002 -0500, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said: >At 10:48 PM 1/30/2002 +0000, Rich Thompson wrote: >>sites that archive this forum. i realise that techserv havent done this and >>the yahoo groups backup list is web accessable but i thought there were >>others > >The "backup list," [EMAIL PROTECTED],
I miss read the original post slightly (as I said in another thread I do this when skimming emails). In doing so I though Rich was aware of the Yahoo Groups archive of this message but it seems he may have been referring to the Yahoo Groups backup mailing list (they are different). There are actually two full web accessible archives of this forum - One on Yahoo Groups (and already referred to by Abd ul-Rahman Lomax who went to the effort of setting it up): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/protel-users-PEDA-Archive/messages and the other at: http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum%40techservinc.com/ Both were started at roughly the same time. One by Mr Lomax and the other by myself and then taken over by Techserv (who are better placed to do the subscription as it was a little messy and I am sure the Forum administrator saw some odd traffic at the time it was being set up. (The unused PDEV forum is also archived it seems at mail-archive.com). Historically there used to be a partial archive created using some perl scripts that I uploaded to some free site - but I have no idea of which one and it has not been maintained for years. Just cluttering up some servers hard disk. Also in the past I used to occasionally zip up my Eudora mailbox of this forum and make that available to those that want to go back to the early years. I haven't done this for a long time though. On the other issues of where this association should go. I urge users to have a look at other self-help and CAD user sites to see what is possible. Some suggestions are: http://www.piclist.com http://www.cadenceusers.com/ http://www.mentorug.org/ In the case of the later two there is some money behind them. But the PicList site, and its novel collective mind architecture (massmind), is funded by donations and bandwidth support from MIT. It is an ugly site but masses of info. I see the Protel users group moving closer to this sort of thing and away from the mailing list only service we have now. For this to happen more people have to be involved and there has to be some preparedness from the founders of the list to accept such a migration. The Mentor User site is particularly interesting as it covers the issue of support by Mentor for its activities in its by laws - for example: http://www.mentorug.org/bylaws.html#treasury and the other stuff as well http://www.mentorug.org/bylaws.html - including the stuff on the make up of the steering committee (which can't include Mentor employees). Maybe Protel would consider similar support of a vibrant but independent users group? Do we know? What level of support would compromise independence? Who is interested? Yawn? Bye for now Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
