Re: [PEDA] Creating selective keepouts
That sounds like a fairly complex router instruction. I'm thinking the only way to 'trick' the router into performing the way you want may be to hatch the area where you don't want traces with a pattern that would allow vias to be placed in some grid fashion but if the router wanted to place a line there it would see an obstacle in the way and go around it. Creative use of obstacles that later get removed to a non-used mechanical layer for safe keeping can be a useful way to re-direct the router. Once moved off the circuit layer they do not interfere with Gerber creation or DRC but can be brought back onto the layer when changes are needed that require using the router again. Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I. Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 -Original Message- From: Ray Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 8:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] Creating selective keepouts I'm using Protel 99SE SP6. I have components on the top and bottom of my board. In one area of the bottom I would like the autorouter to be allowed to place both vias and traces as needed. In another area of the bottom, however, I would like it to be able to place vias, as needed for routing on other layers, but I don't want it to be able to place any traces. I've tried specifying NOT USED in the design rules for the bottom layer but when I do that it will not route anything anywhere. Any thoughts on this? Ray Mitchell Engineer, Code 2732 SPAWAR Systems Center San Diego, CA. 92152 (619)553-5344 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Creating selective keepouts
Ray Now I understand a little better. You could this. I use this trick to keep traces out of certain areas. Place a matrix of 1 mil lines on the bottom and make them KEEP OUT lines. Make the squares in the matrix large enough so the router can pop vias in. The matrix will prevent routes. Set the via grid to 1. Vias will be allowed routes wont To keep vias out of an area, use an used layer ( I use layer 30) Set layer 30 to no route . Place fills on layer 30 and call make them keep out fills Mike -Original Message- From: Ray Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] Creating selective keepouts I'm using Protel 99SE SP6. I have components on the top and bottom of my board. In one area of the bottom I would like the autorouter to be allowed to place both vias and traces as needed. In another area of the bottom, however, I would like it to be able to place vias, as needed for routing on other layers, but I don't want it to be able to place any traces. I've tried specifying NOT USED in the design rules for the bottom layer but when I do that it will not route anything anywhere. Any thoughts on this? Ray Mitchell Engineer, Code 2732 SPAWAR Systems Center San Diego, CA. 92152 (619)553-5344 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Creating selective keepouts
Bill I use matrix and fills all of the time for controlling vias and traces.but not on any Protel router of course. Did I say PROTEL router.. there is no such thing. Im sorry for the wrong use of words. Mike -Original Message- From: Mike Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:02 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Creating selective keepouts Ray Now I understand a little better. You could this. I use this trick to keep traces out of certain areas. Place a matrix of 1 mil lines on the bottom and make them KEEP OUT lines. Make the squares in the matrix large enough so the router can pop vias in. The matrix will prevent routes. Set the via grid to 1. Vias will be allowed routes wont To keep vias out of an area, use an used layer ( I use layer 30) Set layer 30 to no route . Place fills on layer 30 and call make them keep out fills Mike -Original Message- From: Ray Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] Creating selective keepouts I'm using Protel 99SE SP6. I have components on the top and bottom of my board. In one area of the bottom I would like the autorouter to be allowed to place both vias and traces as needed. In another area of the bottom, however, I would like it to be able to place vias, as needed for routing on other layers, but I don't want it to be able to place any traces. I've tried specifying NOT USED in the design rules for the bottom layer but when I do that it will not route anything anywhere. Any thoughts on this? Ray Mitchell Engineer, Code 2732 SPAWAR Systems Center San Diego, CA. 92152 (619)553-5344 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Creating selective keepouts
Personally, I never use a router. It's faster, but not very elegant. I've found that spending much time on component placement eases routing tremendously. I would estimate that 60-80% of my routes are less than 200 mils long and have no corners. Michael Badillo From: Mike Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/04/08 Thu PM 12:15:29 EDT To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEDA] Creating selective keepouts Bill I use matrix and fills all of the time for controlling vias and traces.but not on any Protel router of course. Did I say PROTEL router.. there is no such thing. Im sorry for the wrong use of words. Mike -Original Message- From: Mike Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:02 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Creating selective keepouts Ray Now I understand a little better. You could this. I use this trick to keep traces out of certain areas. Place a matrix of 1 mil lines on the bottom and make them KEEP OUT lines. Make the squares in the matrix large enough so the router can pop vias in. The matrix will prevent routes. Set the via grid to 1. Vias will be allowed routes wont To keep vias out of an area, use an used layer ( I use layer 30) Set layer 30 to no route . Place fills on layer 30 and call make them keep out fills Mike -Original Message- From: Ray Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] Creating selective keepouts I'm using Protel 99SE SP6. I have components on the top and bottom of my board. In one area of the bottom I would like the autorouter to be allowed to place both vias and traces as needed. In another area of the bottom, however, I would like it to be able to place vias, as needed for routing on other layers, but I don't want it to be able to place any traces. I've tried specifying NOT USED in the design rules for the bottom layer but when I do that it will not route anything anywhere. Any thoughts on this? Ray Mitchell Engineer, Code 2732 SPAWAR Systems Center San Diego, CA. 92152 (619)553-5344 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Creating selective keepouts
ROTFL... Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I. Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 -Original Message- From: Mike Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:15 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Creating selective keepouts Bill I use matrix and fills all of the time for controlling vias and traces.but not on any Protel router of course. Did I say PROTEL router.. there is no such thing. Im sorry for the wrong use of words. Mike -Original Message- From: Mike Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:02 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Creating selective keepouts Ray Now I understand a little better. You could this. I use this trick to keep traces out of certain areas. Place a matrix of 1 mil lines on the bottom and make them KEEP OUT lines. Make the squares in the matrix large enough so the router can pop vias in. The matrix will prevent routes. Set the via grid to 1. Vias will be allowed routes wont To keep vias out of an area, use an used layer ( I use layer 30) Set layer 30 to no route . Place fills on layer 30 and call make them keep out fills Mike -Original Message- From: Ray Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] Creating selective keepouts I'm using Protel 99SE SP6. I have components on the top and bottom of my board. In one area of the bottom I would like the autorouter to be allowed to place both vias and traces as needed. In another area of the bottom, however, I would like it to be able to place vias, as needed for routing on other layers, but I don't want it to be able to place any traces. I've tried specifying NOT USED in the design rules for the bottom layer but when I do that it will not route anything anywhere. Any thoughts on this? Ray Mitchell Engineer, Code 2732 SPAWAR Systems Center San Diego, CA. 92152 (619)553-5344 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
