Re: [PEDA] DXP SE (Second Edition)
On 11:37 AM 7/01/2003 -0800, JaMi Smith said: Just got my DXP SE CD in the mail. While Altium doesn't call it SE for Second Edition, they (and we also) do consider the changes to be massive enough to re-press the CD and re-issue it to every licensee, which if I understand correctly, is exactly what happened to Protel 99 at SP2 (Service Pack 2), when it became Protel 99 SE. I therefore propose that henceforth and forever more DXP shall be known as DXP SE (or at least until the Third Edition (DXP TE) arrives which is due out next month)! I don't get this - I have never seen nor heard of a DXP SE. Are you sure you are not talking about a CD-ROM with DXP service pack 2? I received one of these a couple of weeks ago. Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] DXP SE (Second Edition)
Ian I think you missed Jamies humor. But I think Jamie may be wrong about the 99 -99SE transition. 99 had several support packs maybe not called service packs . 99SE was released as a new product. I am waiting for my DXP to arrive any day now, I am glad Altium pressed a new CD. Mike Reagan - Original Message - From: Ian Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:03 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] DXP SE (Second Edition) On 11:37 AM 7/01/2003 -0800, JaMi Smith said: Just got my DXP SE CD in the mail. While Altium doesn't call it SE for Second Edition, they (and we also) do consider the changes to be massive enough to re-press the CD and re-issue it to every licensee, which if I understand correctly, is exactly what happened to Protel 99 at SP2 (Service Pack 2), when it became Protel 99 SE. I therefore propose that henceforth and forever more DXP shall be known as DXP SE (or at least until the Third Edition (DXP TE) arrives which is due out next month)! I don't get this - I have never seen nor heard of a DXP SE. Are you sure you are not talking about a CD-ROM with DXP service pack 2? I received one of these a couple of weeks ago. Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] DXP SE (Second Edition)
On 08:20 AM 8/01/2003 -0500, Mike Reagan said: Ian I think you missed Jamies humor. But I think Jamie may be wrong about the 99 -99SE transition. 99 had several support packs maybe not called service packs . 99SE was released as a new product. I am waiting for my DXP to arrive any day now, I am glad Altium pressed a new CD. Mike Reagan Wouldn't be the first time - different planets I think. :-) Jami's memory regarding P99SE is pretty much correct. P99 was released followed by a service pack (SP1). At about this time there was discussion by users and a poll that covered a number of desired features and stability/speed issues. Shortly after P99SE was released that included and encompassed P99 SP2. SE was given free to all P99 users. P99SE included almost all of the new features that had been discussed by the forum. Due to changes in the file format (to include the new mech layers and other stuff), I guess Protel (as it was at the time) saw a difficulty in calling it simply a service pack since it had a different incompatible file format - hence P99SE. So P99SE is P99sp2 with additional features. The P99 product essentially died when the product branched to P99SE - but this is really semantics isn't it. Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] DXP SE (Second Edition)
Thanks Mike, I was afraid that there would be a few out there that wouldn't quite get the pun. For those who still might not get it, here goes. A while back, here in this forum (or possibly one of the Yahoo! counterparts of this forum), I made some references to Protel 99 and Protel 99 SE as if they were two separate products, and I was soundly corrected, and told that they were in fact the same product, which had been originally released as Protel 99, which had a lot of problems and shortcomings (i.e.: didn't work), but which had undergone such radical changes that at the time that Service Pack 2 was released that it was actually renamed and became Protel 99 SE (for Second Edition (just as in Windows 98 SE)). This is what I was told. I can't vouch for it's accuracy, since I wasn't there. I am only going on what to me is Protel Folk Lore, propagated by the Elders of the Protel World and the Keepers (or is it Makers) of Protel Legend. With this Tradition of releasing a product that has a lot of shortcomings and major problems (i.e.: doesn't work), and then finally getting things together and undergoing a radical change by the time of the Service Pack 2 level, I saw a direct parallel with the current Protel DXP situation where Protel / Altium even announced in advance to all of its Licensees that it would be issuing a new Protel DXP CD when it released Service Pack 2, due to the major changes and upgrades to the product. Hence, in reading the Letter that accompanied the Distribution of the new Protel DXP CD, which stated among other things (such as the addition of the nVisage capabilities) that Service Pack 2 provided significant improvements to the system's PCB design capabilities, and went on to state that This service pack constitutes a major update to the entire end-to-end product, I was totally overwhelmed with the epic proportions of the event in which history was actually repeating itself right before my eyes. It was in this sense of Ecstasy of the Moment that I posted my previous message wherein I proposed that WE (the Users and Licensees) should now rename Protel DXP as Protel DXP SE, in keeping with the Illustrious History, Folk Lore, and Tradition, that has brought us to this monumental and momentous point. Please note that I never said that Protel / Altium called it SE (Second Edition), but that I only said that WE (the Users and Licensees) should call it SE (Second Edition) in keeping with the fact that Protel / Altium seems to not be able to get it right the first time around, and only approaches a functional product by the time of the Second Edition at Service Pack 2. One only has to read Altium / Protel's own statements to realize that this truly is in fact a Second Edition of the Protel DXP Product. I hereby once again propose that WE (the Users and Licensees) proclaim the new Service Pack 2 release of Protel DXP as Protel DXP SE, in keeping with Tradition, Folk Lore, etc., unless of course there are those out there that believe that it isn't quite ready yet for the honors, and still needs a little more work. All kidding aside, since I personally am not only a User, but also a Licensee, I am personally very happy to see that the original Protel DXP has undergone this metamorphosis in to what even Altium / Protel virtually calls a new product, which now finally appears to be ready for release. Now it appears that we can finally sit down and dig in and begin to use Protel DXP SE as a Functional Product which we can begin to productively use and rely on. This of course does not mean that unlike it's predecessor Protel 99 / Protel 99 SE, Protel DXP SE will not need it's own additional 5 (yes 5) Service Packs. My only question is, why did it take so much kicking and screaming to get us to this point. Actually, I really do have another question too, and that is: Do I have to re-install it (I currently have the original DXP installed with the full Service Pack 2 also installed)? JaMi By the way Ian, I know that you guys South of the Border down there really do consider everybody else in the world as Second Class Citizens so to speak (American Slang), but how come you got your CD a couple of weeks ago, and we are only getting ours now? * * * * * * - Original Message - From: Mike Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 5:20 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] DXP SE (Second Edition) Ian I think you missed Jamies humor. But I think Jamie may be wrong about the 99 -99SE transition. 99 had several support packs maybe not called service packs . 99SE was released as a new product. I am waiting for my DXP to arrive any day now, I am glad Altium pressed a new CD. Mike Reagan - Original Message - From: Ian Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:03 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] DXP SE (Second Edition) On 11:37 AM 7/01/2003 -0800, JaMi
Re: [PEDA] DXP SE (Second Edition)
Ian, Firstly I have to thank you for confirming the Protel Folk Lore, and Protel Legend, that I mention in my parallel post, but I also have to tell you that I still have not stopped laughing at the timing and content of your post below. You see, when I got a doorbell sound from my Microsoft Outlook Express Mailbox notifying me of new email, I looked up to find not one, but two posts which I had just received from the forum, both with the identical Subject, and both with the identical timestamp of 1/8/03 12:49 PM, the first being the one that I am responding to here, and the second being my own post, part of the contents of which you confirm below. One of the reasons that I am still laughing, aside from your confirmation of my statements, is that while you below state that I appear to be from another planet (actually though, it's only another hemisphere), I kind of accuse you of the same thing by saying that you (Australians from South of the Border) appear to consider us (Americans, Canadians, and Europeans) to be Second Class Citizens. Must be all the blood pooling to the top of your head from being upside down on the bottom of the world ;-) Anyway, on to reality. You say that you received the CD 2 weeks ago, so I think that you may be the one to answer some questions regarding the new CD. What happened is that I decided to try answer my own question (from the bottom of my previous post) by looking at the new CD. The CD itself is labeled Protel DXP Service Pack 2 Update, , and while it does not actually say that it is a Full Installation of DXP SE, it does have the little logo that says Includes Service Pack 2. Among other things, the CD clearly has printed on it the statement for more information refer to the README.TXT file. Herein lies the first problem, because there is no README.TXT file anywhere on the CD. Anyway, I loaded the CD and it did an autorun to give me a setup dialog which gave me 3 options: 1) Install Service Pack 2; and 2) Install DXP; and 3) Exit. I selected Exit and looked at the CD itself, and found that it contained only 249 meg of data, as compared to some 518 meg of data on the original DXP CD. At first glance it appears that much of what is contained on the new CD is archived into .cab cabinet files (59 of them), but then again the new CD does not appear to contain any Libraries. These Libraries took up some 278 meg on the original CD but for some reason ended up taking up some 320 meg once installed (possibly cluster size?). Anyway, it is obvious that possibly everything (a full DXP SE installation including all of the libraries, and additionally a complete SP2 Upgrade) might not actually be on the CD, so rather than guess, I thought I would ask you, since you appear to be familiar with the new CD, I thought you might be able to answer the following questions. What exactly does the new CD contain? What, if anything, is missing from the new CD? Do I need to reinstall or my current installation? Thanks, JaMi * * * * * - Original Message - From: Ian Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] DXP SE (Second Edition) On 08:20 AM 8/01/2003 -0500, Mike Reagan said: Ian I think you missed Jamies humor. But I think Jamie may be wrong about the 99 -99SE transition. 99 had several support packs maybe not called service packs . 99SE was released as a new product. I am waiting for my DXP to arrive any day now, I am glad Altium pressed a new CD. Mike Reagan Wouldn't be the first time - different planets I think. :-) Jami's memory regarding P99SE is pretty much correct. P99 was released followed by a service pack (SP1). At about this time there was discussion by users and a poll that covered a number of desired features and stability/speed issues. Shortly after P99SE was released that included and encompassed P99 SP2. SE was given free to all P99 users. P99SE included almost all of the new features that had been discussed by the forum. Due to changes in the file format (to include the new mech layers and other stuff), I guess Protel (as it was at the time) saw a difficulty in calling it simply a service pack since it had a different incompatible file format - hence P99SE. So P99SE is P99sp2 with additional features. The P99 product essentially died when the product branched to P99SE - but this is really semantics isn't it. Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
