Re: [PEDA] Holes in Camtastic
Re: [PEDA] Holes
Re: [PEDA] Holes
THOMAS !!! WONDERFUL - YOU LEGEND ! THANKS Wayne Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.aucc: Subject: Re: [PEDA] Holes 14/11/01 19:33 Please respond to Protel EDA Forum I had one design in which the holes didn't show up when moving pads, and one that did. Very confusing until the penny dropped: Turn the Drill Guide layer on (Design/Options - tick the Drill Guide layer box). Viola! Holes show up when moving pads. Tom. -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2001 2:16 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Holes At 12:47 PM 11/14/01 +1100, Thomas wrote: Nope. I can still see a 0mm x 0mm pad with 1mm hole when moving it. Your eyesight must be very good! :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Holes
Good information, Tom! And it turns out that either the Drill Drawing or Drill Guide layers will do the trick (they show up as different colors, if one cares). I'm curious, Wayne -- could you just make the pads non-zero in size? (With the Drill layers off, you still see the pad when moving the hole.) I tend to leave the Drill layers off, just to have fewer tabs on the bottom to deal with. -Original Message- From: Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:33 PM I had one design in which the holes didn't show up when moving pads, and one that did. Very confusing until the penny dropped: Turn the Drill Guide layer on (Design/Options - tick the Drill Guide layer box). Viola! Holes show up when moving pads. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Holes
Dwight Ill try it bit busy at the moment though. Thanks Wayne Trow Dwight DwightH@traxs To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] oft.com cc: Subject: Re: [PEDA] Holes 15/11/01 11:12 Please respond to Protel EDA Forum Good information, Tom! And it turns out that either the Drill Drawing or Drill Guide layers will do the trick (they show up as different colors, if one cares). I'm curious, Wayne -- could you just make the pads non-zero in size? (With the Drill layers off, you still see the pad when moving the hole.) I tend to leave the Drill layers off, just to have fewer tabs on the bottom to deal with. -Original Message- From: Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:33 PM I had one design in which the holes didn't show up when moving pads, and one that did. Very confusing until the penny dropped: Turn the Drill Guide layer on (Design/Options - tick the Drill Guide layer box). Viola! Holes show up when moving pads. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Holes
I can't reproduce this, so a couple of questions for you: 1) What sort of video card are you using? 2) are you viewing the PCB in transparent mode? 3) What colour do you have assigned to pad holes? 4) Is the pad hole diameter smaller/same/larger than the copper pad diameter? -Original Message- From: Wayne Trow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2001 11:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] Holes Hi All We have mounting holes in our pcbs - amazingly enough :-) but when I left-click-hold to move a hole it disappears leaving only the crosshairs. WHY OH WHY OH WHY ? Thanks for you help Wayne Trow PCB Design Technician Gallagher Group LTD Hamilton New Zealand * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Holes
Forgot something: 3) What colours do you have assigned to pad holes AND BACKGROUND? -Original Message- From: Wayne Trow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2001 11:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] Holes Hi All We have mounting holes in our pcbs - amazingly enough :-) but when I left-click-hold to move a hole it disappears leaving only the crosshairs. WHY OH WHY OH WHY ? Thanks for you help Wayne Trow PCB Design Technician Gallagher Group LTD Hamilton New Zealand * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Holes
Hi Wayne From memory this only happens when the copper pad diameter is less than (incl zero) the hole diameter, irrespective of whether it's PTH or not. Cheers Brendon. - Original Message - From: Wayne Trow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 1:47 PM Subject: [PEDA] Holes Hi All We have mounting holes in our pcbs - amazingly enough :-) but when I left-click-hold to move a hole it disappears leaving only the crosshairs. WHY OH WHY OH WHY ? Thanks for you help Wayne Trow PCB Design Technician Gallagher Group LTD Hamilton New Zealand * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Holes
Nope. I can still see a 0mm x 0mm pad with 1mm hole when moving it. May be something to do with the colour settings. What version and service pack are you using? (me = S99E SP6). -Original Message- From: Brendon Slade [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2001 12:26 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Holes Hi Wayne From memory this only happens when the copper pad diameter is less than (incl zero) the hole diameter, irrespective of whether it's PTH or not. Cheers Brendon. - Original Message - From: Wayne Trow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 1:47 PM Subject: [PEDA] Holes Hi All We have mounting holes in our pcbs - amazingly enough :-) but when I left-click-hold to move a hole it disappears leaving only the crosshairs. WHY OH WHY OH WHY ? Thanks for you help Wayne Trow PCB Design Technician Gallagher Group LTD Hamilton New Zealand * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Holes
Yeah, I just tried it with my settings and I need a memory (brain, not PC) upgrade. I have changed my colour settings from the original (not the classic). My background is the default, however I have changed PadHoles and ViaHoles to black. The black changes to a purple-ish colour when moving the pad. I'm using P99se with SP6. What I was recalling is actually a similar but different problem of which I will post separately when I get around to it (soon). Cheers Brendon. - Original Message - From: Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Holes Nope. I can still see a 0mm x 0mm pad with 1mm hole when moving it. May be something to do with the colour settings. What version and service pack are you using? (me = S99E SP6). -Original Message- From: Brendon Slade [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2001 12:26 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Holes Hi Wayne From memory this only happens when the copper pad diameter is less than (incl zero) the hole diameter, irrespective of whether it's PTH or not. Cheers Brendon. - Original Message - From: Wayne Trow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 1:47 PM Subject: [PEDA] Holes Hi All We have mounting holes in our pcbs - amazingly enough :-) but when I left-click-hold to move a hole it disappears leaving only the crosshairs. WHY OH WHY OH WHY ? Thanks for you help Wayne Trow PCB Design Technician Gallagher Group LTD Hamilton New Zealand * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Holes
wrote: I can't reproduce this, so a couple of questions for you: 1) What sort of video card are you using? Nvidia TNT2 Model64 2) are you viewing the PCB in transparent mode? No 3) What colour do you have assigned to pad holes? White 4) Is the pad hole diameter smaller/same/larger than the copper pad diameter? The copper pad size is 0,0. The hole sizes are anything higher than this. Wayne -Original Message- From: Wayne Trow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2001 11:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] Holes Hi All We have mounting holes in our pcbs - amazingly enough :-) but when I left-click-hold to move a hole it disappears leaving only the crosshairs. WHY OH WHY OH WHY ? Thanks for you help Wayne Trow PCB Design Technician Gallagher Group LTD Hamilton New Zealand * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Holes
Its a black bacground Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.aucc: Subject: Re: [PEDA] Holes 14/11/01 14:12 Please respond to Protel EDA Forum Forgot something: 3) What colours do you have assigned to pad holes AND BACKGROUND? -Original Message- From: Wayne Trow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2001 11:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] Holes Hi All We have mounting holes in our pcbs - amazingly enough :-) but when I left-click-hold to move a hole it disappears leaving only the crosshairs. WHY OH WHY OH WHY ? Thanks for you help Wayne Trow PCB Design Technician Gallagher Group LTD Hamilton New Zealand * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Holes
All these emails - getting confused ;-0 OK... Im running P99SE with SP6 my system is an NT4 SP6 Nvidia TNT Model64 White holes, Black background, not in transparent mode Yes I use a 0,0 pad with variously sized holes. OK that should replace three emails Ive previously sent Thanks Wayne Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.aucc: Subject: Re: [PEDA] Holes 14/11/01 14:47 Please respond to Protel EDA Forum Nope. I can still see a 0mm x 0mm pad with 1mm hole when moving it. May be something to do with the colour settings. What version and service pack are you using? (me = S99E SP6). -Original Message- From: Brendon Slade [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2001 12:26 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Holes Hi Wayne From memory this only happens when the copper pad diameter is less than (incl zero) the hole diameter, irrespective of whether it's PTH or not. Cheers Brendon. - Original Message - From: Wayne Trow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 1:47 PM Subject: [PEDA] Holes Hi All We have mounting holes in our pcbs - amazingly enough :-) but when I left-click-hold to move a hole it disappears leaving only the crosshairs. WHY OH WHY OH WHY ? Thanks for you help Wayne Trow PCB Design Technician Gallagher Group LTD Hamilton New Zealand * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Holes
Just to be a tiny bit more complete, under some display conditions and object can appear, and then when you edit or move it, it disappears. This happens when the layer that the object is on is not enable, but the object was made visible because of some operation that highlights primitives on other layers or something like that. For a mounting hole, make sure that multilayer is enabled. Also make the pad a bit bigger than the hole (you are going to need clearance for the mounting hardware, and that is a one way to do it, the other way is by design rule for mounting holes), though I think it should still show if holes are enabled and the holes are a contrasting color. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Holes
At 12:47 PM 11/14/01 +1100, Thomas wrote: Nope. I can still see a 0mm x 0mm pad with 1mm hole when moving it. Your eyesight must be very good! :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Holes
Wayne. Following Thomas' queries, try changing the colour of the pad holes and see (or not!) if this has an effect. Protel changes the colour of things that have focus or are selected, and we have no or not much control over this colour. As I mentioned in my previous email, I have the default backround colour and have changed pad and via holes to black. When I move pads (and vias) the hole colour changes to a purple-ish colour. Maybe Protel is changing the hole colour (with your colour scheme) to the same as your background colour. HTH Brendon. - Original Message - From: Wayne Trow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Holes All these emails - getting confused ;-0 OK... Im running P99SE with SP6 my system is an NT4 SP6 Nvidia TNT Model64 White holes, Black background, not in transparent mode Yes I use a 0,0 pad with variously sized holes. OK that should replace three emails Ive previously sent Thanks Wayne Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.aucc: Subject: Re: [PEDA] Holes 14/11/01 14:47 Please respond to Protel EDA Forum Nope. I can still see a 0mm x 0mm pad with 1mm hole when moving it. May be something to do with the colour settings. What version and service pack are you using? (me = S99E SP6). -Original Message- From: Brendon Slade [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2001 12:26 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Holes Hi Wayne From memory this only happens when the copper pad diameter is less than (incl zero) the hole diameter, irrespective of whether it's PTH or not. Cheers Brendon. - Original Message - From: Wayne Trow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 1:47 PM Subject: [PEDA] Holes Hi All We have mounting holes in our pcbs - amazingly enough :-) but when I left-click-hold to move a hole it disappears leaving only the crosshairs. WHY OH WHY OH WHY ? Thanks for you help Wayne Trow PCB Design Technician Gallagher Group LTD Hamilton New Zealand * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Holes
I had one design in which the holes didn't show up when moving pads, and one that did. Very confusing until the penny dropped: Turn the Drill Guide layer on (Design/Options - tick the Drill Guide layer box). Viola! Holes show up when moving pads. Tom. -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2001 2:16 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Holes At 12:47 PM 11/14/01 +1100, Thomas wrote: Nope. I can still see a 0mm x 0mm pad with 1mm hole when moving it. Your eyesight must be very good! :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
