Re: [PEDA] How do I unlock component strings ?
i think i remember running into this as i recall I had to go back to 2.8 to fix it up for re-import Dennis Saputelli Linden Doyle wrote: Greetings all, How do I unlock component strings ? I didn't even know they could be locked. I am editing a legacy design using 99SE+SP6 (somebody else started in Autotrax, last edited in Protel98) All mods have been completed and I'm now putting component designators and comments in the positions that I want them. When selecting each string to be moved Protel issues the warning: Primitive is locked. continue? Hitting Yes allows me to reposition the string. I have seen (and used) locked components before but have never seen this type of thing when manipulating component strings. This isn't the end of the world but it is annoying when I need to move a lot of strings. Has anyone seen this behaviour before? Or better still how to fix it? Am I missing something blatantly obvious? (it is Monday after all...) There is nothing in the string edit dialogue box that allows the string to be locked or unlocked. The strings are behaving as though it is a component primitive (ie: pad or track). I've never seen this behaviour in all the designs I have done from scratch or upgraded over the years. (I know about the existence of the string positioning functions but I have some mechanical constraints that I want the text to avoid - easier done manually) Any help appreciated... TIA LINDEN DOYLE Product Development Engineer Zener Electric Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: +61 2 9795 3600 Fax: +61 2 9795 3611 -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] How do I unlock component strings ?
Thanks guys, Your replies are much appreciated Unfortunately I've been side-tracked onto other issues at the moment. Geoff, I've tried your suggestions (they were fairly quick) but to no avail. I have noticed that the new components that I have added are not affected. I'll let you know how I get on as soon as I can. Thanks again, LINDEN DOYLE Product Development Engineer Zener Electric Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: +61 2 9795 3600 Fax: +61 2 9795 3611 -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, 10 July 2001 03:17 Subject: Re: [PEDA] How do I unlock component strings ? i think i remember running into this as i recall I had to go back to 2.8 to fix it up for re-import Dennis Saputelli Linden Doyle wrote: Greetings all, How do I unlock component strings ? I didn't even know they could be locked. I am editing a legacy design using 99SE+SP6 (somebody else started in Autotrax, last edited in Protel98) All mods have been completed and I'm now putting component designators and comments in the positions that I want them. When selecting each string to be moved Protel issues the warning: Primitive is locked. continue? Hitting Yes allows me to reposition the string. I have seen (and used) locked components before but have never seen this type of thing when manipulating component strings. This isn't the end of the world but it is annoying when I need to move a lo t of strings. Has anyone seen this behaviour before? Or better still how to fix it? Am I missing something blatantly obvious? (it is Monday after all...) There is nothing in the string edit dialogue box that allows the string to be locked or unlocked. The strings are behaving as though it is a component primitive (ie: pad or track). I've never seen this behaviour in all the designs I have done from s cratch or upgraded over the years. (I know about the existence of the string positioning functions but I have some mechanical constraints that I want the text to avoid - easier done manually) Any help appreciated... TIA LINDEN DOYLE Product Development Engineer Zener Electric Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: +61 2 9795 3600 Fax: +61 2 9795 3611 -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] How do I unlock component strings ?
OKgot it now! Saving as an ASCII (V2.8) file as per Ian's recommendation but couldn't find the record that corresponded to the locked (or other) attributes. Exported to a spreadsheet, massaged the data and after a bit of trial and error re-importing got it all working again. Thanks Clive. Never having used the spreadsheet import/export before I found a couple of anomolies that needed to be overcome. 1. The SS server would not display a drag handle on selected cells, although this is not the case when BOM files are generated. Ended up using copy/paste to set the appropriate cells to TRUE 2. Before finding the UPDATE button in the SS server, I attempted to use the PCB_SS:Import process (assumed it was the opposite to PCB_SS:Export). It didn't work and seems to have no help file associated with it. Thanks again guys...learnt some new features of Protel again today :) This list and all its contributors are worth their weight in gold. LINDEN DOYLE Product Development Engineer Zener Electric Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: +61 2 9795 3600 Fax: +61 2 9795 3611 -Original Message- From: Linden Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, 10 July 2001 09:16 Subject: Re: [PEDA] How do I unlock component strings ? Thanks guys, Your replies are much appreciated Unfortunately I've been side-tracked onto other issues at the moment. Geoff, I've tried your suggestions (they were fairly quick) but to no avail. I have noticed that the new components that I have added are not affected. I'll let you know how I get on as soon as I can. Thanks again, LINDEN DOYLE Product Development Engineer Zener Electric Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: +61 2 9795 3600 Fax: +61 2 9795 3611 -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, 10 July 2001 03:17 Subject: Re: [PEDA] How do I unlock component strings ? i think i remember running into this as i recall I had to go back to 2.8 to fix it up for re-import Dennis Saputelli Linden Doyle wrote: Greetings all, How do I unlock component strings ? I didn't even know they could be locked. I am editing a legacy design using 99SE+SP6 (somebody else started in Autotrax, last edited in Protel98) All mods have been completed and I'm now putting component designators and comments in the positions that I want them. When selecting each string to be moved Protel issues the warning: Primitive is locked. continue? Hitting Yes allows me to reposition the string. I have seen (and used) locked components before but have never seen this type of thing when manipulating component strings. This isn't the end of the world but it is annoying when I need to move a lo t of strings. Has anyone seen this behaviour before? Or better still how to fix it? Am I missing something blatantly obvious? (it is Monday after all...) There is nothing in the string edit dialogue box that allows the string to be locked or unlocked. The strings are behaving as though it is a component primitive (ie: pad or track). I've never seen this behaviour in all the designs I have done from s cratch or upgraded over the years. (I know about the existence of the string positioning functions but I have some mechanical constraints that I want the text to avoid - easier done manually) Any help appreciated... TIA LINDEN DOYLE Product Development Engineer Zener Electric Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: +61 2 9795 3600 Fax: +61 2 9795 3611 -- __ _ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] How do I unlock component strings ?
On 10:28 AM 10/07/2001 +1000, Linden Doyle said: OKgot it now! Saving as an ASCII (V2.8) file as per Ian's recommendation but couldn't find the record that corresponded to the locked (or other) attributes. It works if you save as an ASCII V3 format (not V2.8 format) - then you will see all the records and the Locked=True for the text records that are designators (also have the Designator=True field). Then you should be able to find records something like (for designator C14): Record=Text|...|Locked=True|...|Text=C14|...|Designator=True All on the one line and with the '...' meaning other fields that I can't recall. I tried it - changing from Locked=False to True worked for me. The spread function is definitely one of those Protel functions that works well when you can work it well but can be a nightmare of confusion until you work out that you have to keep your Protel session and be careful in what happens to the magic handle in your manipulations. For complex manipulations I have cut and pasted data from the Protel SS into Excel, manipulated as required and then copy and pasted back into the same Protel SS session and the updated the PCB/Sch. (I love the spread export/import functionality.) I didn't think that the SS export included the locked state for the designator string - should have checked, glad Clive did. Glad you got it sorted. Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] How do I unlock component strings ?
You could try exporting the text and components to spreadsheet (edit/export to spread) . It has a 'movable' column and true(false?) flag. Earlier versions (V3.x) had problems in updating the spreadsheet back to the primitves on the board, and only appeared to work on the first attempt. Im not sure if its been fixed in SP6. ___ Clive Broome IDT Sydney Design CentrePh: +61 2 9763 3513 8 Bayswater Dr, HomebushFax:+61 2 9763 3409 Sydney, NSW, 2127 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Australia Australia's Leading Semiconductor Designers --- Linden Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 07/09/2001 02:57:58 PM Please respond to Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PEDA [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Clive Broome/sdc) Subject: [PEDA] How do I unlock component strings ? Greetings all, How do I unlock component strings ? I didn't even know they could be locked. I am editing a legacy design using 99SE+SP6 (somebody else started in Autotrax, last edited in Protel98) All mods have been completed and I'm now putting component designators and comments in the positions that I want them. When selecting each string to be moved Protel issues the warning: Primitive is locked. continue? Hitting Yes allows me to reposition the string. I have seen (and used) locked components before but have never seen this type of thing when manipulating component strings. This isn't the end of the world but it is annoying when I need to move a lot of strings. Has anyone seen this behaviour before? Or better still how to fix it? Am I missing something blatantly obvious? (it is Monday after all...) There is nothing in the string edit dialogue box that allows the string to be locked or unlocked. The strings are behaving as though it is a component primitive (ie: pad or track). I've never seen this behaviour in all the designs I have done from scratch or upgraded over the years. (I know about the existence of the string positioning functions but I have some mechanical constraints that I want the text to avoid - easier done manually) Any help appreciated... TIA LINDEN DOYLE Product Development Engineer Zener Electric Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: +61 2 9795 3600 Fax: +61 2 9795 3611 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?bodyleave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] How do I unlock component strings ?
Linden, What happens if you Save-As the file as an ASCII file and open the file in a text editor? You should be able to find a record for each component designator (it will be a Record=Text) - search for a suitably unique designator. Is there a locked=true section to the record (or something similar)? (I just did a quick test and I think you will find that each designator record will be marked as Locked=True. I was able to simulate the effect you are seeing by locking a Record=Text which was a designator (Designator=True).) If so find all the lines with (Designator=True and Locked=True) to Locked=False. Save and try again. For this sort of change you may find that an editor that supports regular expressions is helpful. Alternatively write a macro in Word or similar to do the change. A perl script? Manual if there are not too many components. This is one of my more garbled responses - how you do not end up excessively confused... Ian Wilson At 02:57 PM 9/07/01 +1000, you wrote: Greetings all, How do I unlock component strings ? I didn't even know they could be locked. I am editing a legacy design using 99SE+SP6 (somebody else started in Autotrax, last edited in Protel98) All mods have been completed and I'm now putting component designators and comments in the positions that I want them. When selecting each string to be moved Protel issues the warning: Primitive is locked. continue? Hitting Yes allows me to reposition the string. I have seen (and used) locked components before but have never seen this type of thing when manipulating component strings. This isn't the end of the world but it is annoying when I need to move a lot of strings. Has anyone seen this behaviour before? Or better still how to fix it? Am I missing something blatantly obvious? (it is Monday after all...) There is nothing in the string edit dialogue box that allows the string to be locked or unlocked. The strings are behaving as though it is a component primitive (ie: pad or track). I've never seen this behaviour in all the designs I have done from scratch or upgraded over the years. (I know about the existence of the string positioning functions but I have some mechanical constraints that I want the text to avoid - easier done manually) Any help appreciated... TIA LINDEN DOYLE Product Development Engineer Zener Electric Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: +61 2 9795 3600 Fax: +61 2 9795 3611 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?bodyave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
