Re: [PEDA] Problem Found (Ex: Mechanikal Layers are disappearing)
Ian Wilson schrieb: Hello all including Protel Support (who have been CC'ed), Waldemar sent me his ini, rcs and a sample PCB file. It was not until he sent the ADVPCB99se.ini file that I could see the problem. It took some playing about but I found the problem in the Layer Drawing Order dialog (Tools|Preferences|Display|Layer Drawing Order...). Mechanical layers 5 and up were *missing* from his layer draw order list. There may have been other layers missing as well, I did not check. Since there is no method of adding or deleting layers from the list it must be either a program bug or an install bug that has caused these to go walk-about. Since others are reporting the problem it is impractical to think the he has corrupted the ini file himself. To fix it I replaced the LayerDrawingOrder0 to LayerDrawingOrder82 entries in the ADVPCB99se.ini with those copied from my backed-up version. Pressing the Default button on the Layer Drawing Order dialog did not fix it. I did it! And it works fine! Ian is right, I changed the Drawing order by clicking [promote] and [demote] buttons in Layer drawing order. But how these coused the Problem exactly, I don´t know. :-( Brad I hope your Mechlayers are visible to. Thanks to you Ian and all who cared of my Problem. Even my spelling-problem. :-) Waldemar * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Problem Found (Ex: Mechanikal Layers are disappearing)
Waldemar, haven't tried to implement the fix yet but wanted to make sure I understood the cause. Ian said clicking the default button caused the problem. Are you saying that changing the display order using the promote/demote buttons also causes the problem? If the answer to the above question is positive, aaarrgghh! That means that we cannot change the display order without invoking the bug. I changed the display order right off the start because I found the default order too unworkable. Looks like I may be stuck with it again, or I put up with the display problem which in my case is livable but annoying. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Waldemar Kulajew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 5:58 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Problem Found (Ex: Mechanikal Layers are disappearing) I did it! And it works fine! Ian is right, I changed the Drawing order by clicking [promote] and [demote] buttons in Layer drawing order. But how these coused the Problem exactly, I don´t know. :-( Brad I hope your Mechlayers are visible to. Thanks to you Ian and all who cared of my Problem. Even my spelling-problem. :-) Waldemar * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Problem Found (Ex: Mechanikal Layers are disappearing)
On 08:56 AM 17/09/2001 -0700, Brad Velander said: Waldemar, haven't tried to implement the fix yet but wanted to make sure I understood the cause. Ian said clicking the default button caused the problem. Are you saying that changing the display order using the promote/demote buttons also causes the problem? If the answer to the above question is positive, aaarrgghh! That means that we cannot change the display order without invoking the bug. I changed the display order right off the start because I found the default order too unworkable. Looks like I may be stuck with it again, or I put up with the display problem which in my case is livable but annoying. Brad Velander, Brad, My experiments suggest that it is the Default button that causes the problem. I could use the Promote and Demote buttons OK. But I must admit I am not sure how much testing I did. Thinking about the different buttons in the Layer Drawing Order dialog, I can understand how an oversight (being polite) might make the Default button only fill the list with the old layers in a hard coded order (as this section of code was not updated when the new layers were added). I would be surprised if the Promote and Demote buttons cause the problem. Bye for now, Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Problem Found (Ex: Mechanikal Layers are disappearing)
Thanks for that bit of confidence Ian, given a moment of peace I will implement the fix and then give it a try. Worst case is I try the fix again, right. Least of all, as I stated, I find the display bug just a little bit of a nuisance at worst. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:59 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Problem Found (Ex: Mechanikal Layers are disappearing) On 08:56 AM 17/09/2001 -0700, Brad Velander said: Waldemar, haven't tried to implement the fix yet but wanted to make sure I understood the cause. Ian said clicking the default button caused the problem. Are you saying that changing the display order using the promote/demote buttons also causes the problem? If the answer to the above question is positive, aaarrgghh! That means that we cannot change the display order without invoking the bug. I changed the display order right off the start because I found the default order too unworkable. Looks like I may be stuck with it again, or I put up with the display problem which in my case is livable but annoying. Brad Velander, Brad, My experiments suggest that it is the Default button that causes the problem. I could use the Promote and Demote buttons OK. But I must admit I am not sure how much testing I did. Thinking about the different buttons in the Layer Drawing Order dialog, I can understand how an oversight (being polite) might make the Default button only fill the list with the old layers in a hard coded order (as this section of code was not updated when the new layers were added). I would be surprised if the Promote and Demote buttons cause the problem. Bye for now, Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Problem Found (Ex: Mechanikal Layers are disappearing)
I have used the promote/demote buttons quite a lot, and have never had this problem. I don't think I have ever clicked the default button though...I tend to avoid clicking those somehow, I guess its an instinctive thing. Personally, I'm apalled that this has never been corrected after all this time. A good test program will catch this sort of thing in Alpha at the latest. Thank you for alerting me to the press here to corrupt files button! I just wish I had an electronic sticky note to attach to that button, or if I still worked for GM I guess I would just call Safety and have them lockout/tagout the affected switch, heh heh. Frank At 07:59 AM 9/18/2001 +1000, Ian wrote: On 08:56 AM 17/09/2001 -0700, Brad Velander said: Waldemar, haven't tried to implement the fix yet but wanted to make sure I understood the cause. Ian said clicking the default button caused the problem. Are you saying that changing the display order using the promote/demote buttons also causes the problem? If the answer to the above question is positive, aaarrgghh! That means that we cannot change the display order without invoking the bug. I changed the display order right off the start because I found the default order too unworkable. Looks like I may be stuck with it again, or I put up with the display problem which in my case is livable but annoying. Brad Velander, Brad, My experiments suggest that it is the Default button that causes the problem. I could use the Promote and Demote buttons OK. But I must admit I am not sure how much testing I did. Thinking about the different buttons in the Layer Drawing Order dialog, I can understand how an oversight (being polite) might make the Default button only fill the list with the old layers in a hard coded order (as this section of code was not updated when the new layers were added). I would be surprised if the Promote and Demote buttons cause the problem. Bye for now, Ian Frank Gilley Dell-Star Technologies (918) 838-1973 Phone (918) 838-8814 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dellstar.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
