Re: [PEDA] Protel DXP Vs 2004 (Was Spice Simulation (V I) Probes on Schematic?)

2004-06-26 Thread Stephen Noftall
 Stephen - Altium have a list of new stuff in P2004 compared to DXP:
 http://www.protel.com/newin2004.htm
 also a list of things fixed since DXP SP2:
 http://www.protel.com/2004releasenotes.pdf but this does *not* include
 changes in P2004 SP1.  You would also need to read:
 http://www.altium.com/downloads/2004SP1/releasenotes.htm
 to get the guff on those.

Thanks Ian, wow, the perfect answer ;-)

 ...  If you think the
 the changes in P2004 are not beneficial to you (or not so you can justify
 the $), at least you have some real conception of what your competitors
may
 be using.

A little story if I may. We were using Protel 98, and for a long time (2
years), resisted the pull to goto 99SE. Then we switched, and started using
the built in project format. Well, it takes awhile to get accutomed to any
new software as everyone knows, and it took us awhile to get into 99SE.

Starting in December, the Altium rep started calling fairly regularily,
wanting us to upgrade to DXP for $2500. Compared to the other packages out
there, this is really cheap. So we took the plunge, and started using DXP
heavily for the last 3 months.

Ok, so getting back to the story. I work for a company that also produces a
very large software project. We just recently released a new version. And to
see the reation to DXP/2004, it seems similar to our product. New features
allways come with a tradeoff. But then new features can make you alot more
productive. I like how DXP (and even 99SE) is forcing me to merge the
schematic parts with the PCB footprints. This was one of our major sources
of problems with 98 and previous versions. Has anyone checked out the
scripting features in the design rules? Stumbled on my first hard crash when
I was in there, but it looks incredibly powerfull. When I was first trying
to use the inspector, I had set (or it defaulted to) change all items in
the library box, and then globally changed a pad size. Ok, so it took out
the library and I had to fall back to my previous day's backup. But then I
am never going to do that again, and I have now realized how powefull the
inspector is (which is to say very powerfull). Just wished it had an
execute button, still haven't grocked when exactly it does the changes if
I forget to press the enter key...

So overall I am happy with the switch to the new Altium package. Ok, I guess
I am contridicting what I said previously ;-). But in my defense, when I
have to devote a good part of you life working with a software tool, I get
very opinonated about it. And sometimes I just wished they would use their
software to design complex boards ;-) If I was in charge of their QA
department, that would be the #1 priority. Hook up with a design house, and
force the coders to design a few boards. Usually C++ gurus are not into PCB
design and layout, but you will occasionally get one. But who knows? They
may be doing that allready. Anyways, enough rambling on a Saturday morning.
Hopefully I will be of more help on the forums in the future ;-)

Cheers

PS: sorry for the numerous spelling errors, my home puter doesn't have a
spell checker :-(

SN




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Re: [PEDA] Protel DXP Vs 2004 (Was Spice Simulation (V I) Probes on Schematic?)

2004-06-26 Thread Darren
I believe Altium develops their products on the Delphi platform, and so I
guess that makes them a different breed right off the start.

- Original Message - 
From: Stephen Noftall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel DXP Vs 2004 (Was Spice Simulation (V  I) Probes
on Schematic?)


  Stephen - Altium have a list of new stuff in P2004 compared to DXP:
  http://www.protel.com/newin2004.htm
  also a list of things fixed since DXP SP2:
  http://www.protel.com/2004releasenotes.pdf but this does *not* include
  changes in P2004 SP1.  You would also need to read:
  http://www.altium.com/downloads/2004SP1/releasenotes.htm
  to get the guff on those.

 Thanks Ian, wow, the perfect answer ;-)

  ...  If you think the
  the changes in P2004 are not beneficial to you (or not so you can
justify
  the $), at least you have some real conception of what your competitors
 may
  be using.

 A little story if I may. We were using Protel 98, and for a long time (2
 years), resisted the pull to goto 99SE. Then we switched, and started
using
 the built in project format. Well, it takes awhile to get accutomed to any
 new software as everyone knows, and it took us awhile to get into 99SE.

 Starting in December, the Altium rep started calling fairly regularily,
 wanting us to upgrade to DXP for $2500. Compared to the other packages out
 there, this is really cheap. So we took the plunge, and started using DXP
 heavily for the last 3 months.

 Ok, so getting back to the story. I work for a company that also produces
a
 very large software project. We just recently released a new version. And
to
 see the reation to DXP/2004, it seems similar to our product. New features
 allways come with a tradeoff. But then new features can make you alot more
 productive. I like how DXP (and even 99SE) is forcing me to merge the
 schematic parts with the PCB footprints. This was one of our major sources
 of problems with 98 and previous versions. Has anyone checked out the
 scripting features in the design rules? Stumbled on my first hard crash
when
 I was in there, but it looks incredibly powerfull. When I was first trying
 to use the inspector, I had set (or it defaulted to) change all items
in
 the library box, and then globally changed a pad size. Ok, so it took out
 the library and I had to fall back to my previous day's backup. But then I
 am never going to do that again, and I have now realized how powefull the
 inspector is (which is to say very powerfull). Just wished it had an
 execute button, still haven't grocked when exactly it does the changes
if
 I forget to press the enter key...

 So overall I am happy with the switch to the new Altium package. Ok, I
guess
 I am contridicting what I said previously ;-). But in my defense, when I
 have to devote a good part of you life working with a software tool, I get
 very opinonated about it. And sometimes I just wished they would use their
 software to design complex boards ;-) If I was in charge of their QA
 department, that would be the #1 priority. Hook up with a design house,
and
 force the coders to design a few boards. Usually C++ gurus are not into
PCB
 design and layout, but you will occasionally get one. But who knows? They
 may be doing that allready. Anyways, enough rambling on a Saturday
morning.
 Hopefully I will be of more help on the forums in the future ;-)

 Cheers

 PS: sorry for the numerous spelling errors, my home puter doesn't have a
 spell checker :-(

 SN




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